Stop calling my party WEAK..go somewhere ELSE and do that!

[Eliot Rosewater]

[Thekaspervote]

1. Thank you! Amen to that .. yes stop!!

[Eliot Rosewater]

3. Yes thanks...why dont we DAILY affirm our support on this thread...if I remember that is

[sharedvalues]

12. I'm a Dem. Because I love America and its values.

nuff said

[saidsimplesimon]

19. thank you, Eliot

I just ignore the negativity "trolls", especially those who whine, "this is not possible because (insert boogeyman)".

[asiliveandbreathe]

2. We have so much headwind right now - again, with you 100% - I have chosen, if

you are talking about some here at du, NOT to read drivel..

[Eliot Rosewater]

5. Yes thanks, the problem is , and this happened once before, the more

negative comments like "i will hold my nose"

"she is weak"

"democrats are weak"

The more you hear that means OTHERS are hearing it the same way they heard MILLIONS of KGB tweets attacking you know who.

I want to shame those who are attacking the ONLY thing standing between us and ACTUAL FULL ON FASCISM.

Thanks again.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

27. GODS, SO TRUE.

It's subliminal and overt messaging that facilitates giving up, it seems.

[Hortensis]

94. Absolutely.

[Demsrule86]

4. Yes...plenty of places where attacks on the Party and Democrats are welcomed such folks are

deliberately weakening the party.

[sunRISEnow]

6. Blue wave, baby. Far left and the Republicans are so fearful. The "tried and true" bot/fake story

isn't working. We need to stand strong. Take them head on. Horns to horns. 2018 and beyond is going to be messaging and combating the bots.

Winners:
DCCC
Medicaid expansion
Black Democrats

Losers:
The GOP mobilisation strategy
Our Revolution
Georgia Republicans

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210646327

[marble falls]

71. I'm far left and I support the Democratic Party. I support Democratic candidates....

Getting a Democratic Congress is more important than all the divisive litmus testing of fellow Democrats going on.

[R B Garr]

72. This is revisionist history. The current news clearly shows where the divisiveness

came from, who started it and why. We don't get to recreate the actual events that led us here. It is not divisive to stick up for Democrats and diffuse the attacks on our party. THAT is not divisive.

[marble falls]

73. What history are you speaking of? I said all polical litmus testing right now is divisive. Period.

I will always stick up for the Democratic Party's nominees, will you?

[R B Garr]

74. This is not political litmus testing to diffuse attacks on our party

by those who wish to impose litmus tests. You can't have it both ways. If you think Democrats aren't good enough because they are not socialists, then that is a divisive litmus test.

If everyone stuck up for our Democratic nominee, we would not have Trump. You can't have it both ways. This actually explains why sticking up for our nominee is so important....

[sunRISEnow]

75. " THAT is not divisive." It is necessary.

The loser is not the far left, anyway, but Our Revolution. For clarity.

[R B Garr]

77. Exactly. The far left is part of our party. "Our Revolution" is

a new and divisive creation meant to deal with issues and not candidates, so they aren't actually part of our party by their own definition. It is not divisive to point out those facts about the individuals who use Democrats.

I was even referencing the Russian groups who exploited these divides that were created by outside forces. But you are exactly right about providing that clarity.

[sunRISEnow]

78. Right. OR states they will vote Republican, Green, Libertarian or Independent.

That is not a part of the Democratic Party. As open tent as we are, we do not jive to the tune of voting Republican for reasons .

[Hortensis]

7. A form of self-flagellation, people projecting

what they dislike, or sometimes even hate, in themselves onto the party, race, nation they identify themselves with? Of course.

What's weaker than whining and complaining while stabbing resentfully at one's only hope? And trying to disguise weakness and whining with yelling, insulting, punching walls, even threatening other people physically doesn't fool anyone who's raised children.

[AmandaRuth]

8. Seriously

Like every day I hear pundits scream THE DEMS HAVE NO MSG THE DEMS ARE WEAK, and (almost, when I have the stomach for it) everyday, I turn on cable news and see Dems getting talked over, or not on, or hosts acting thick and asking the ridiculous questions, and the next day, back to shouting. NO MSG, WEAK.

That's the right wing echo chamber, for sure. Wash rinse repeat. We don't have to add to it.

[EffieBlack]

9. THANK you!

[Eliot Rosewater]

50. UR Welcome and I say we affirm this DAILY

[Gothmog]

10. Agreed

[Wounded Bear]

11. K & R...for visibility...nt

[treestar]

13. Hear hear!

They are not weak! That is right wing bullshit!

[brer cat]

14. Yes!

K&R

[rtracey]

15. hmmm

Then tell that to Bill Maher

[Wwcd]

57. Bill Maher needs an audience. Like all Media.

He plays both sides & likes it that way.
Cah ching $$

[spicysista]

16. This!

A thousand times, this! Take your negativity about MY party, elsewhere! We're doing the thing. Constructive criticism is one thing, but all this so called "friendly fire" from the same corner over and over again is wearing thin.

[Cha]

17. Who's calling the Democratic Party

"weak"?

[mcar]

26. Reading it here, again, Cha

[Cha]

31. They obviously don't know

they're talking about.

[bluestarone]

18. Right on the money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We will overcome this bullshit!! REPUGS's want to give our country to Russia, and WE will stop them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[George II]

20. YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES !!!!!!!

Those who call the Democratic Party "weak" are only out to destroy it.

The Democratic Party is YOUR party, it's MY party, it's OUR party! Don't like it, do something positive to change it.

[tavernier]

21. Yes!

There is one particular poster who just can’t wait to assert his negativity in every post. He carefully avoids being called a troll by spouting a bit of bullshit to reaffirm his solidarity to Dems, but most of us have caught on.
It was fun at first, reading some of the dueling, but to be honest, it serves no purpose other than to sow discord.

So I agree, ER. Enough fun and games with trolls; let’s toss them out so that we can concentrate on the positive.

[NurseJackie]

22. ... and "feeble" and "corrupt" and "ideologically bankrupt".

It serves no good purpose to attack our Democratic party with things that divide and weaken our party... with smears that create resentment and distrust.

[R B Garr]

46. Exactly! Enough is enough.

We know exactly what is going on here and it isn't helping. Not now, not then, not in a million years.

[DinahMoeHum]

23. Fuck the goddamn Debbie Downers. . .

. . .in my neck of the woods, the Democratic Party has eaten the GOP alive in the elections
of November 2017 and a special election this April.

It has been a massive uproar in my county, with the GOP losing a 2-term county executive and being left with but 4 of the 17 seats in the county legislature. Also, my state senate district was gerrymandered since 2012 to favor GOP candidates - and they've lost to the Democrat every single time; the last one being a special election to replace the outgoing state senator who had just ousted a 2-term incumbent and one-time gubernatorial candidate to become the new county executive.

Thanks to fresh blood in the local Democratic party groups, plus the work of Indivisible chapters throughout the county, well, the Democrats in my area are definitely part of the blue wave.

[NBachers]

24. Stand tall, walk tall, and defend the Democratic Party from trolls - AND FROM INTERLOPERS!

[mcar]

25. Yes +1000%!

We don't have time for this shite. We need to GOTV and elect Democrats, not run them down.

[FakeNoose]

28. We're never weak when we all stand together and face forward

[bronxiteforever]

29. Kick and recommend.

[defacto7]

30. K&R. We are strong!

[mia]

32. Amen!

Thank you for saying this!

[lordsummerisle]

33. Thanks k&r n/t

[Initech]

34. Just like the song says- we get knocked down but we get back up again!

[aikoaiko]

35. I think well intenioned people should speak their minds at DU.

Even if it means discussing our problems or weaknesses.

[aikoaiko]

45. After the disaster of the meta-forum ended, there was a prohibition on creating meta-forum-like...

...OPs in GD. Reproducing jury results in OPs was a classic meta thread technique. No one had to reproduce jury results in order to discuss a topic on or about DU.

[R B Garr]

47. Oh, Same goes with Bernie. His problems and weaknesses

should be discussed.

[aikoaiko]

54. Yes, of course.

[mcar]

56. There's a difference between discussing problems/weaknesses

And constantly saying unhelpful things like "Dems are weak," "Dems are wimps," "Dems always fold," etc. etc. These are the types of smears I see on this site on a regular basis.

Constructive criticism should be welcomed for all Dems, the party and those who align with it. But "Dems suck" is not a discussion of problems or weaknesses. I believe that is what Eliot is discussing in his OP.

[ecstatic]

85. +1000. Not to mention, I think it helped

I think they were going to cave on the meeting until the backlash, not just here but all over the web.

[sheshe2]

37. K&R!

[betsuni]

38. K&R!

[ehrnst]

40. K&R

[backtoblue]

41. I'm with you Eliot! K&R!

[dalton99a]

42. GOTV. Failure is not an option

[Orsino]

43. Big private money makes parties weak.

Compared to the GOP, Dems have not been weakened all that much.

I'd rather decry the evil influence of private money than call the Dems weak, but I damn sure will call out those of our representatives who are swayed by big donors.

The right-wing echo chamber gives the GOP the illusion of strength, but their monolith is brittle and unable to respond to the concrete needs of voters. Dems are still willing to do work.

[Tom Rinaldo]

48. I'm an elected Democratic Committeeman

But I don't buy into Democratic Party = American Flag type boosterism.

"My Party, far more often right than wrong" sure, but not "My Party, right or wrong."

[Eliot Rosewater]

49. So I say stop calling my party weak and your response is this?

And you are an official of my party?

That FUCKING Infuriates me.

Oops, just broke my own rule.

[Tom Rinaldo]

51. I think it is weak when elected officials feel compelled to wear American Flag pins

I think it is weak when football players are forced to stand for the national anthem. Yet I consider myself patriotic.

I generally oppose high profile generic calls for displays of loyalty. I might have reacted differently had you posted something specific. For the purpose of illustration I'll make up an example. If you had posted "stop calling our party leaders weak for not embracing impeachment now" I would have instead given a rec to your OP.

[mcar]

52. Shh, Eliot, it's Bash Dems Week again for some here

Coinciding this time with Bash Pelosi Week. As predictable as rain.

BTW, love your sig line.

[alarimer]

58. Once again criticism is NOT bashing

Criticism is WARRANTED. This is the party that LOST 1000 state seats, numerous state houses, etc. ALL UNDER OBAMA's watch. How is that not worthy of criticism?

To say nothing of the fact that numerous democrats just voted to allow banks to destroy the economy yet again. And others have voted for Trump's appointees for some stupid reason.

[mcar]

61. Once again, there's a difference between criticism and bashing

We see some of the former here but much more of the latter.

[Wwcd]

66. Where were all these raging anti-Dems when it came time to vote?

Where were they when Obama needed an army to support his policies as President.
It wasn't Dem leaders that dropped the ball in Obama's midterns.

It was the 'don't give a shit' lazy voters who took it all for granted, when the Party needed their votes.

Who left the Party vulnerable?
The lazy voters who stand here today & cannot look themselves in the mirror and admit THEY TOO HAD A ROLE IN THIS SHITSHOW.

[Eliot Rosewater]

76. GOD what I would GIVE to know about who voted and who didnt in 2010.

[Tom Rinaldo]

84. That information is for the most part available in most states

Here is my OP on that:
"We can find out who usually only votes in presidential years"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210596461

I was making the case for getting the answers to the question you ask, and then using it to target Democrats who usually only vote in Presidential years to get them out in November (after flushing out the Trumpsters among them).

Here is the resource link I posted in that OP:
https://publicrecords.onlinesearches.com/Voter-and-Elections-Information.htm

[KPN]

87. Stand here?

[Wwcd]

68. Critisism on particulars is one thing, its the repetitive one liner insults with nothing of

substance to back up the memes stil regurgitated from the 2016 million bot messaging service, we see here everyday.

These are the same lazy voters who themselves failed to arm Pres Obama in his final midterm election.

WHERE WERE THESE RAGING VOICES THEN.
DEM leaders can only be successful when given a supporting body to work with.

Lazy voters who didn't give a shit until today, dropped the ball.
Own it.

[Tom Rinaldo]

60. I repeatedly defend Pelosi here, most recently today

Here is my latest post defending Nancy
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2066291


Here is the OP I posted here in June 2017:
"Nancy Pelosi has been an extremely effective leader"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029237169

[mcar]

63. Great!

I'm so tired of the constant round of posts bashing Pelosi. There's one on LBN right now.

[Eliot Rosewater]

62. Thanks, yes this is nonstop but if my math is good it seems only about 20% are doing

this garbage, attacking our party.

Problem is every time they say something negative it is heard by others.

Oh, did you see this?

Midterms are in Putin’s cross hairs, ex-spy chief says

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/23/midterms-putin-russia-meddling-606330


He would PAY to have people allegedly on the left BASHING the party, for FUCK SAKE STOP it !

[mcar]

64. I have no doubt Putin is going to interfere again

It worked so well for him last time. And our R government is doing nothing to stop it.

[Eliot Rosewater]

65. Rump is helping them and so are many others whether they know it or not

[Demsrule86]

82. Why would you even be committeeman if you feel this way?

[Tom Rinaldo]

83. "My Party, far more often right than wrong"

From my post above.

For all practical purposes there are only two consistently viable choices for voters; the Democratic Party or the Republican Party. In order for our democracy to function as it should it must be a participatory democracy. I chose to participate, and once I made that choice I understood that it takes work to keep any political party functioning. So I do grunt work for the Democratic Party. I choose to do at least my share, to help the party I affiliate with remain viable. Believe me, there is no glamor in being a committee member at a local level, just responsibilities and a lot of usually tedious tasks. Our committee organizes the local caucus where candidates for local offices are selected. I have run those caucuses in a fair and neutral manner, and honor the decisions made by the Democrats who attend.

Sometimes that means working on behalf of some local elected or nominated politicians that I am less than enthusiastic about. So be it, that's not unusual. But I of course reserve the right to withhold my personal efforts on behalf of anyone who I have extreme reservations about. In practice that has never happened. It was a no brainer for me to support Hillary for example once she had the nomination. The same is true on a local level. But I won't check my opinions at the door when I go to a Democratic meeting.

[Demsrule86]

95. Ok...just wondered. Thanks for the reply.

[mountain grammy]

97. I'd be happy to have you as our committeeman..

It's a lot of work, I know because I've often helped our local chair. She would prefer people leave their opinions at the door, but to her credit, is too smart to make that public. She's said it to me and I've advised her to let people speak. She does, and it's been a good thing, keeping all the support we picked up in 2016.

People have real issues with the influence of corporate money on political parties and candidates, and they should; it's the very root of all evil in American politics.

[alarimer]

53. It is not your fucking party

I'm so tired of this "with us or against us" fucking BULLSHIT.

You are not the arbiter.

[Eliot Rosewater]

59. so YOU have decided I cant be in the party?

And you are angry because i asked people not to call MY party WEAK?

THAT is what pisses you off?

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[Autumn]

67. No, the posters point was the party does not belong only to you.

Whoosh....

[Tipperary]

88. Thank you.

I hate whinging.

[Autumn]

96. As Democrats we have every right to discuss our party without being told to shut

up and sit down.

[KPN]

69. Aye aye sir! Geezuz!

How about stop telling other Democrats to stop expressing their views.

[Eliot Rosewater]

70. Since all I asked people to do is stop calling the Democratic Party WEAK

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then I assume that is a view you want me to encourage, that others SHOULD call the party weak?

You dont have to answer, I know what you think.

I will NEVER stop asking people at DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND to stop ATTACKING Democrats...

[KPN]

86. Nope. Just don't tell other people here

at DU to stop expressing their views. Theirs are as legit as yours.

[Tipperary]

89. Spot on. eom

[R B Garr]

91. Lots of people think their views are legit.

That's not what this is about. For instance, lots of people think ratf**king is legit, and then they blame others for what they purposefully brought about.

[we can do it]

79. Thank you

[Eliot Rosewater]

80. UR welcome. I say we affirm our support daily.

[we can do it]

81. I agree.

[progressoid]

90. And stay off my lawn!

[G_j]

92. Question

what can we call the 33 Dems who joined the Rs to overturn Obama bank reforms?

[Eliot Rosewater]

93. 33 seats we DONT have to win to GET CONTROL away from the NAZIS