Playboy Playmate took young son on fatal leap from NYC building

[Dennis Donovan]

https://nypost.com/2018/05/18/playboy-playmate-took-young-son-on-fatal-leap-from-nyc-building/



A former Playboy Playmate jumped with her 7-year-old son to their deaths from a Midtown hotel Friday — amid a nasty custody battle with her chiropractic ex, sources told The Post.

Stephanie Adams, 47, leaped with young Vincent from the top floor of the Gotham Hotel around 8:15 a.m., sources said.

The pair checked into the hotel around 6 p.m. Thursday and were staying in a 25th-floor penthouse suite, NYPD Chief of Manhattan Detectives William Aubrey said at a press conference.

Their bodies were found on a second-floor landing in the hotel’s rear courtyard.

“Early this morning investigators located an individual whose attention was drawn to that same second-floor area when he heard two loud noises,” Aubrey said. “His attention was drawn to that and he discovered these two deceased individuals.”

[shenmue]

1. Very sad. Rest in peace.

[WillowTree]

2. Nonsense. May she burn in eternal Hell for doing that to a 7 year old child. Pure evil.

[jaysunb]

5. Do you think there may have been some mental heath issues ? nt

[EffieBlack]

11. I can't help but notice

that another thread speculating about the motives of the school shooter for killing 10 people was met with DUers attacking posters for “rushing to judgment” without more information about the suspect, while this poor woman who was obviously in such wrenching psychic pain that she leapt to her death with her child is being smeared as “pure evil,” angry and out for revenge.

I guess concerns about rush to judgment and benefit of the doubt all depend on who’s being judged and who’s being doubted.

Go figure.

[EffieBlack]

7. A woman who kills herself and her child probably is severely mentally ill, not "pure evil"

[jaysunb]

13. My point exactly n/t

[ellisonz]

40. Sounds to me like she wanted both of them to escape Charles Nicolai.

They had to do custody exchanges at the police precent because of conflict.

[dhol82]

3. Sad to have so much anger that you kill your child to get back at your ex.

[EffieBlack]

9. People don't kill themselves out of anger and revenge. They're in deep pain and think this is

the only way to alleviate it.

Very tragic.

[dhol82]

14. Perhaps the pain gets manifested as anger.

I don’t see jumping off a building as pain. Seems more like, “I’ll show him!”
Not to say that she was not in pain also.

[EffieBlack]

16. Have you ever dealt with suicide?

I had someone very close to me commit suicide in the midst of a post partum depression and have since worked with a lot of suicidal people and families.

Trust me. People don’t jump off of buildings or take an overdose of pills or shoot themselves in the head because they’re mad at anyone. They’re in deep, deep pain that they can no longer tolerate and they think will never go away and this is the only way they know of to make it stop.

[dhol82]

18. Whatever

When I was in a suicidal part of my life it was a depression driven by anger with a feeling that I could not get out of my situation.
The driving force was anger.

[EffieBlack]

19. I'm sorry you had to deal with this

And yes, depression often is repressed anger. But I stand by my strong opinion that people don't generally kill themselves out of anger or a desire for revenge. They're depressed and in pain.

I'm so glad you made it through that darkness and hope you're ok now.

[dhol82]

22. Thank you

Yes, the reasons for my bad place are now dead. Both of them.
I will never be totally whole but suicide is no longer part of my thinking.

[EffieBlack]

26. That's good.

It's so hard for people in your situation to know they can get through it if they just hang on. I'm glad you hung on!

[Wwcd]

27. THIS Effie. THIS Yes.

People don’t jump off of buildings or take an overdose of pills or shoot themselves in the head because they’re mad at anyone. They’re in deep, deep pain that they can no longer tolerate and they think will never go away and this is the only way they know of to make it stop.

If they want to get even, out of anger, they kill the other person. Not themselves.

[EffieBlack]

34. Exactly

[sunRISEnow]

20. I see it the other way around. I agree they jumped because the pain they think

cannot get better. But, I think they can be damn angry at someone, too. I think a lot of suicides has the "I will show them" element.

I have experienced suicide with a close relative. I agree with what the other poster is saying about suicide.

[dhol82]

30. I think there are many who go the, "I will show them," route.

Sad but what it is.

[smirkymonkey]

21. +1000

How sad. I agree with you. I think that woman was in unbelievable pain. I just wish she could have gotten some help before she took such a drastic step. A beautiful mother and child are now gone and it could have been prevented if she had gotten some help.

[salin]

4. Horrific and tragic.

Despite knowing these horrors happen, matricide and patricide are unfathomable to my brain.

[tblue37]

6. Filicide. She killed her son, not her parents. nt

[salin]

10. thanks. Sad that we have to learn the differnt terms for familial murders.

[tblue37]

12. Yes, very sad. nt

[Kirk Lover]

8. I swear I remember a similar story that happened a few years ago in NYC .....nt

[dhol82]

15. Agree

Don’t remember the particulars but it was similar.

[sunRISEnow]

17. Seriously? "took a Leap" Were they skipping with laughter, leaped off the building? Or did she drag

a kid off a building to his death.

WTF is this headline about "leaping" off a building when a woman grabbed a 7 yr old boy, knowing what his fate was, and dragged/pulled him off a building to plunge to his death. Why in the world did they sugar coat this murder so appallingly?

[EffieBlack]

24. You're right about the headline but the murder-suicide was probably more complicated than that.

Doctors who deal with suicidal post partum depression have told me that their big fear always is that the mother will commit suicide and also take the baby with her - not because they want to harm the baby, but because they don't want to leave the baby behind.

They already feel unspeakable pain and guilt and fear about their inability to care for their child because of their illness. When the pain becomes so great that they can't take it any more and decide to escape it by dying, they feel even more guilty about abandoning their baby. So, sometimes, they "solve" that problem by killing the baby. And they often do it in the same way that they're going to die so that they die with them, not before them. For example, when they take an overdose, they'll give the baby an overdose, too, and go to sleep together. It might not make sense to us, but they are not rational or in their right minds, so it's hard to use our logic to judge what they're doing.

I assume that, in this instance, it's likely that she didn't drag or pull the child off the ledge, held him in her arms (and possibly sedated him first) and jumped with him.

I don't feel any anger for her, just sadness. It breaks my heart.

[sunRISEnow]

29. I do respect and understand what you are saying about suicide.

I was addressing the way the story was told and it says something they described it in that manner. I do not like it and I am calling out that type of manipulative story telling.

But,

"I assume that, in this instance, it's likely that she didn't drag or pull the child off the ledge, held him in her arms (and possibly sedated him first) and jumped with him. "

Sweetening the death of the boy up here, too. I am not ok with that any more than calling this woman evil. Suicide is a warped thinking that allows one to truly believe it is best that they are dead, one reason or another. Suicide is a complicated and intense conversation. That boy was 7 yr old big. You have no knowledge to allow you to be comforted the boy was sedated and/or was in any way a peaceful death. I won't denigrate this little ones experience any more than a person that is in a place where they feel suicide is the answer.

[EffieBlack]

33. I agree with you about the headline

And you're right that I don't have any knowledge that his mother sedated the boy. But neither do you know that she dragged or pushed him off the building in the cruel manner that you suggest. The truth is that neither of us have any idea what actually happen and likely never will, so we are both speculating.

Yes, I may be empathetic toward people in this situation but I also think that people are overly cruel and judgmental of people who are suffering the kind of pain that most people could never fathom, so I push back on the judgment.

Many of these people seemed perfectly fine only a short time before but for some reason, took a turn into the dark - often one they never expected and couldn't have anticipated. Having seen that in real life, I know that there but for the grace of God go all of us.

[JustAnotherGen]

32. We have the lowest suicide rates

If a black woman goes to that place - it's severe mental illness, isolation etc etc.

I'm shocked and saddened by this.

See this article:

https://www.aaihs.org/black-womens-suicide-and-a-call-for-radical-friendship/

[Judi Lynn]

35. "Sugar coat"? Really? Very subjective interpretation. n/t

[Sherman A1]

23. Sad

Very Sad.

[msongs]

25. murder/suicide. (unless someone else pushed them) nt

[Bettie]

28. I'm a mom and I can not imagine doing this

and so, I feel fortunate that I've never felt that all hope was lost. That ending my life (and that of my child) was the only possible course.

Our town recently had a mother and her second grader stand on the train tracks as the train was coming. The both, obviously, died as well. From the few people who knew her, she felt as if she was alone in the world and that if she died, her son would be alone. I wonder how many times I passed her at school events for my third grader and didn't even know who she was. I wish I had known that she was alone and stepped forward to befriend her.

I don't know what was in Ms. Adams' mind, but I bet she loved her child with all of her heart and, in some twisted way, thought that she was saving him from something worse. At least I hope so.

[njhoneybadger]

31. Why refer to the women as "Playboy Playmate"

Always a label. The women was more than that. Playboy Playmate or animal not really any different,you dehumanized her. It's just not right.

[mythology]

36. Because ex-wife of chiropractor would get fewer page views?

[Algernon Moncrieff]

37. Dehumanized?

Playboy playmates are beautiful women. Often very intelligent beautiful women.

[Laffy Kat]

39. Nice try. Sheesh. nt

[Laffy Kat]

38. First thing I thought of when I read it.

Can't believe we are still identifying women this way. We have such a long way to go.

[Dennis Donovan]

41. I copied and pasted the headline from the NYPost...

I'm not dehumanizing anyone.