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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhere are you going to get a job if you are 25, just out of college and
Twitter and Google and Toyota arent hiring? Or you are not going to college at all and just out of high school?
There are not going to be enough jobs no matter what trade policy you adopt.
So unless you care more about the feelings of the rich people, many which dont do jack shit, you will insist on a society more like the ones in the Nordic countries.
I dont see a way around it, do you?
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,647 posts)Clearly, firms other than Twitter and Google and Toyota are hiring.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Large companies and employers have HR departments - that never stop "looking" for great employees.
Newspapers are full of "job openings" and those ads never disappear.
I answered a "computer hardware installation tech" ad once in Houston, TX. There were a hundred other "applicants" and we all sat down in a cafeteria-style room at group tables - and answered a timed mathematical word problem test the likes of which ACT/SAT never considered! I couldn't answer a single question, they were incomprehensible.
I saw this company and staff at a job fair a little later and I asked them what the hell THAT was about?
They said, "Yes sir, if anyone ever passes that test, they absolutely have a job for you."
Also, if you have a job opening and want the gretest selection of applicants possible, will one opening or ten get you what you want?
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)And they take applications and do interviews. However, those jobs are all closed due to attrition. When the higher ups ask for job cutsthe listed ones are served up. We work perpetually understaffed but our jobs arent cut because the ones that other people want are already cut.
AJT
(5,240 posts)FM123
(10,054 posts)Yavin4
(35,446 posts)You have to use stupid words.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)all the local firms in addition to the federal government are hiring. A lot of local businesses are concerned about getting summer hires.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,122 posts)sigh
hack89
(39,171 posts)look at the places that voted for Hillary. They are doing fine. Look at the places that voted for Trump. They are struggling.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)eShirl
(18,505 posts)Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)to immigrate with"merit" so that is not DIRECT competition for American jobs? Makes no fucking sense AS USUAL.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,122 posts)Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)Revanchist
(1,375 posts)Did 20 years and retired. It's still an option.
tazkcmo
(7,302 posts)Hospitality, construction, sales, marketing, security, logistics and within each of those industries there are entry level to degree/license required type openings. The question is really do any pay enough to support a dignified life style?
MichMary
(1,714 posts)getting jobs. Neither do medical people, from docs to x-ray techs, etc. Accounting is a good field, too.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,122 posts)There are way more people than jobs, other than low paying jobs which are NOT acceptable at their current pay.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)and paying quite well.
hunter
(38,334 posts)What we now call "economic productivity" is a direct measure of the damage we are doing to what's left of the earth's natural environment and our own human spirit.
What does a human being need to be happy?
Secure and comfortable shelter, healthy food, appropriate medical care, and universal literacy are a good start.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,902 posts)only companies out there.
There are lots of jobs. Health care is huge. Lots of administrative assistant sorts of jobs. Then there's construction, working a hotel front desk, and on and on.
Community Colleges have lots and lots of certificate programs, such as HVAC, or coding for medical records, that lead directly to good jobs. We also need plumbers and electricians.
Plus, what took you so long to get through college that you're 25 and just graduated?
DFW
(54,446 posts)Bush depression days, and they didn't even consider Twitter, Google or Toyota.
The elder one had just graduated from her fashion-business school, and there was NOTHING in the way of jobs. Zip. She loved the field, even though she went into it knowing that less than 1% of aspirants really make it big. After months of looking, she landed a job with a jewelry wholesaler, not really her field, and the place went under anyway in less than 15 months. Out on the street again, she looked around, and all the jobs said "minimum three years experience." She asked, "how am I gonna get three years' experience if no one will give me a job to get the experience?" She was living in a shithole of a place in New York City, sharing the rent with someone she met online and whom she had to save after finding her ODing on some kind of awful drug. She finally decided to try a harder sell, got an interview at Lord & Taylor for one of those "minimum 3 years of experience" jobs. She went in there, and said, "look, I'm not an idiot, I can learn fast, and I don't have three years' experience because I can't get three minutes' experience if no one will give me a chance!" They gave her a chance. She is still with them now, and making enough (just barely!) to afford to live in midtown Manhattan, which she loves.
The younger one also went to college in the USA, got out of a "second tier" law school in 2010. Still the Bush depression. Even Harvard and Yale grads were told that positions open to them would not be available until things picked up, so they got signed, but had to go wait on tables for a year. My daughter, of course, had no chance even at that. She searched everywhere, and finally hooked up with a British law firm that needed someone with exactly her niche skills in their Frankfurt office. She hadn't been planning to move back to Europe, since she wanted to live near her sister in New York City, but there were just no jobs in her field (international law) to be had in the States. She worked her ass off for the British firm and was so good that she and her boss got head-hunted by a NYC firm for THEIR Frankfurt office. She did so well there, that she put in for a partnership (unheard of, and really kind of pushy for a 31 year old). The firm NEVER gave partnerships to 31 year olds, but they also knew how well she worked, and that other head-hunters were out there. So, she became their youngest partner at 31, and now makes twice what I do.
I had offered both of them jobs with my outfit when things looked bleak, but both of them said no, not unless they were starving and eviction threatened. They were intelligent, capable young women with an education and goddammit, they were gonna make it on their own if at all possible. It sure as hell didn't come easy or immediately, and the fashion business is ALWAYS perilous. Lord & Taylor fired about a third of its NY HQ staff in a recent downsizing. My daughter saw herself on the street. Instead, her boss got put out on the street, and she was kept. I reminded her that if she got canned, my offer still stood (we have a New York office), and she said it was not even a subject for discussion unless she feared finding herself on the street.
I admire them for wanting to make it on their own if at all possible, and they both made it possible by essentially refusing to believe anything was impossible.
I travel to the Nordic countries on occasion, have plenty of friends there, and speak Swedish well enough that I am often taken for a native speaker, especially when speaking to Norwegians or Danes. There are street people there, too, and "arbetslös" is not by any means an unused word up there. There are plenty of people from Norway, Sweden and Denmark who choose to live elsewhere. You can get by, but it's not necessarily the paradise some in North America make it out to be. You can be lucky or unlucky in Scandinavia just like you can in the USA. Your chances are better if you believe in yourself, because that helps convince employers to do likewise. The best way to get turned down for a job is to go into the interview believing from the start that it's going to go down that way.
ansible
(1,718 posts)Still bitter about getting rejected for health reasons at MEPS, being in the military is a really good deal these days.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)trof
(54,256 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)There are jobs out there. I don't believe in defeatist attitudes.
former9thward
(32,086 posts)I administer workforce grants for the Dept. of Labor and companies are begging for workers. I can send someone to a community college for free for 2 years to get a trade or skill which will give them a good paying job with good benefits. Majority union jobs. Hard to find people to take advantage of it.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Watch...Memorial Day...it'll jump a quarter....and 4th of july another quarter. 4.00 gas by Christmas.
inwiththenew
(972 posts)I know guy making over $100k hauling sand for a fracking outfit. They won't give a job like that right away put if you can demonstrate you aren't a total moron you will become in hot demand after you get so experience under your belt.
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)Amazon and Apple are coming soon. They are building more than 30000k apts to accommodate the influx. I am blown away on the amount and variety of housing going up. I talked with the head of security for many of the projects.
[link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/its-not-just-amazon-apple-quietly-explores-northern-virginia-for-20000-jobs/2018/05/16/1c66b3b0-5566-11e8-abd8-265bd07a9859_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d4b16317d3db|]
rownesheck
(2,343 posts)form communes for each us to live on. We all share the work as well as the riches. We can start them in places like Montana where no one lives. Get off the grid forever. Wait, we will need wifi, tv, and electricity so i can play my xbox.