My morning trespasser strikes again. Inside a red county.

[Baitball Blogger]

As I have said many times before, I live in a red community and the things I see and experience give me something to write about. And so, today, I have something to write about.

This morning, there was another trespass on my property by my neighbor, which now makes ten times since January. It's worth noting because there's no relationship between our houses, except for the cordial civilities that should legally be observed. And that makes this even more curious, considering that this person is familiar with the profession.

In the past, it appeared as if the dog was used as a scout, allowing it to walk on my driveway, the extendable leash stretching to its fullest extent, while the human trespasser hung back by the tree. A few times this person followed close behind. A couple of mornings, the dog woke us up with its barking. We can tune out barking when it's coming from its own yard, but now it was a few feet from our bedroom window. And once the dog was allowed to leave us a deposit, which was never picked up.

Even though I have video on my property, and everyone knows it, this person feels entitled to encroach on our property. This is a good time to point out, that if I did the same thing to anyone else in this community, they would have the police knocking on my door.

I tried to do our due diligence. We decided to put up sensor lights, but it was a couple of months to find the time to set them up. Meanwhile, I put up a security camera to get a good shot of the driveway. The dog was smart enough to see the red burn of the lights, and his hesitation encouraged its owner to back out. That happened a couple of times.

After we put up the sensor lights, I thought the nuisance was over, but a week back, this person walked up the driveway, as if they were trying to test the perimeter of the lights. Again, the dog picked up the infra-red lights of the portable camera and backed out.

Because of that event, we had to readjust the sensor lights so they turn on further down the driveway. Unfortunately, they also turn on when a car drives by. No happy medium. But because of it, I'm guessing that the lights are no longer a deterrent because my trespasser again walked up my driveway this morning, and this time, the dog showed more intelligence than its owner because it refused to follow. This time the dog stopped in its tracks as if to say, "YO, don't you know what you're doing is wrong? Hey, I'm a dog. What's your excuse?" It's owner had to go back and tug the dog across the property.

It's no secret, atleast to me, why this person feels so entitled and privileged. I have a good idea who their support group is in the community. I just wanted to document that it happened because this is how this community dicks you around, in the attempt to push you out.

But that scenario will never happen, because this is the only America that I know -- and of course, I love my house. And, in case anyone else on DU gets the idea to suggest that we move out, please, just walk away. You don't tell a member of a minority group to move out at the same time that you are on this website trying to find a way to help minorities. That's not supportive. This is not our fault.

There is another possibility. I have noticed in this county, that when there is a kerfuffle between individuals, (where one has connections), someone does get an inducement to move out. (I knew someone who worked for the county). So, I wonder if someone is intentionally trying to create a hostile situation in order to get such an offer?

I have complained about this trespassing situation before, in the Lounge, knowing that it would be seen by locals in the communities. That's the crazy part. I put up a blog up a few years back that left a trail large enough for an elephant with a stuffed nose to follow -- so DU is the place I chose to express myself, just to keep everything honest, since I wouldn't trust anyone in this community to carry my message. That's the beauty of social media for those of us who live in communities like mine, where minority views will be misrepresented and marginalized.

This is my experience in Florida, and it should be a concern to others because we are not dealing with uneducated individuals. We have professionals here who think their job is to provide smoke and cover to protect a micro-culture that is comfy with their entitlement and privilege. In many ways, reminds me of small time Cohens.

[sharp_stick]

1. If you exchange pleasantries with him

when you see each other outside I'd meet him at the driveway the next time he shows up. Say hi, ask how he's doing and what's up.

Leaving clues sometimes doesn't work and you need to be more direct.

[Baitball Blogger]

2. That bridge has been burned down.

If you respond in a nice way, it just legitimizes their behavior.

I will be happy if they just respect the laws.

[snort]

47. No fence?

[Sunlei]

52. most neighborhood associations & zoning laws forbid front yard fence of any type.

a shame because front yard fencing is very, very nice to have.

[RKP5637]

132. We have that, no fencing is allowed anyplace. Even bushes/trees are regulated as they like the

open look. As is said, fences make good neighbors! I agree!

[sharp_stick]

105. That's too bad

I'm sorry.

[TheBlackAdder]

46. I was standing at my door watching a remote neighbor's dog pinch a loaf in front of my mailbox.

.

I was standing there, and the guy saw me, and continued to let his dog take a dump right in front of my mailbox. He didn't pick it up. After multiple times, I finally snapped when I stepped in it. We had two black labs, and I collected a month's worth of their droppings and dumped it all across the threshold of their driveway, as one of the family members watched.

That guy never walked his dog past our property again.

.

[sharp_stick]

104. People that don't pick up

after their dogs drive me nuts. My daughter once saw someone's dog take a shit on our lawn while she was outside and then just walk away.

My daughter went inside grabbed a poop bag and picked up the dog shit. She then wrote a nice note saying that we'd be happy to provide a bag if the dog owner forgot them, taped the bag of dog shit to the note, walked around the block and put both in their mailbox.

My daughter was 12 and I laughed my ass off when she told me.

[lunatica]

3. That's why I refuse to consider living in a Right leaning area

I’m glad you only have one neighbor being a jerk. Too bad your other neighbors don’t support you.

[TeamPooka]

4. First you put up a no trespassing sign at the edge of your property

First you put up a no trespassing sign at the edge of your property
Then you call the police on them every time they step on your property.

[Baitball Blogger]

8. I thought about putting up a no trepassing sign.

Unfortunately, the HOA has rules forbidding signs.

When I have more time I will put together a compilation of video and photographs and give it to the police. But, that won't happen for a while. I suspect they're still playing dumb and pretending they don't know who I am in the community.

[TeamPooka]

15. Submit the video and photos to the HOA. If they refuse to act you have a lawsuit against them.

Submit them to LEO too for their records.

[appleannie1943]

32. Does the HOA have rules against fences?

[Baitball Blogger]

88. There are rules regarding fences and permanent structures, though many don't adhere to the rules.

Some are even on the board.

Mostly, that area needs to stay open because it's supposed to take on rainwater overflow to the street.

[avebury]

75. By any chance are you retired? If so, you might actually be

able to have some fun with they guy by thinking of all the ways to nail him when he trespasses.

First thought that comes to mind is having a high powered hose with the water already turned on. As soon as the guy steps on your property, start it up and nail his butt with the water.

Another idea would be to purchase an air horn and blast it when he steps on your property.

You could mail his dog's poop back to him.

If could find something that smells like eau to skunk you could spray a little of it and when you see the guy you could say how really surprised you were that there are skunks in the area. Then you find a way to spray his yard some night.

If you are retired and can be more flexible with your time you could video what goes on from a window of your house and he won't know that you are getting the goods on him.

Do you have friends that you could invite over for a party some night?

[Eliot Rosewater]

84. NOT making light of your situation AT ALL but have you heard of

Bobbie Dooley?

Will give you a little laugh while you deal with your deplorables.

[Baitball Blogger]

91. OH, my goodness.

It must be very crowded in that cranium!

[Eliot Rosewater]

96. Phil Hendrie, well known LA radio guy, brilliant.

[alphafemale]

155. Phil Hendrie! OMG! I chatted with him a few times when he was in ATL

He is great!

[olegramps]

126. I am an ole geezer and two years ago I moved to Florida.

Firstly, I admit that I really didn't want to move from Colorado. I set of circumstances compelled it. I have never lived in a what is called a POA community. I live in Palm Beach Gardens and the extent of the wealth in this area is astonishing. Many of the major professional golfers own homes here including Tiger Woods, and Ricky Fowler. It is common to see the most expensive autos. In fact, when I went to Home Depot I saw a couple of guys loading a Rolls Royce with bags of crushed rock. Of course I don't live in one of their ultra-wealthy communities. But the attitude is really different than what I am accustomed to. If I had it to do over I would have never moved into one of these gated affairs. You have to contend with a some old farts that have nothing better to do than see how many infractiions they can discover. It gets to the point of the ridiculous. I guy next door had to repaint the side of his house because it didn't, according to them, match the front. He informed me this last weekend that he is going to move and it will not be into a gated community. A lot of the wealthy seem to be just damn arrogant. I could go on put I feel you.

[Turbineguy]

156. We had some property once.

The area had problems with trespassers.

People put up signs saying "No Hunting".

[azureblue]

67. put up a sign

And, on the sign, quote the FL "Stand Your Ground Law". For all you know, this guy could be planning to invade your house...... You should treat this as such - a person who is casing your house for burglary or to cause personal harm, and, according to the FL SYG law, you can shoot him the minute he steps onto your property.

For vid, get a camera that will start and run at a predetermined time. Not a motion sensor. The dog should be seeing the motion sensing light - there are wildlife motion sensing camera that work well for all types of creatures.

[snowybirdie]

5. Refocus

You are letting this idiot take up space in your head, rent free. Take up a hobby, volunteer or listen to progressive blogs. You'll feel better, I guarantee. But you can redeposit the dogs leaving s on their side of the property line

[Baitball Blogger]

10. Let me tell you a story.

There was an article in the Parade magazine a few years back that listed ten things to reduce stress. My husband read them off. I was already engaged in eight of the ten.

If I document what I see, it is for two reasons:

1) My dream is to write something that will be useful to the society that I want to see in America.

2) If you're being harassed, document, document, document.

[HAB911]

6. I had a somewhat similar situation

with a neighbor, since moved away. I'm in FLA too. The teenage kids walked their two large dogs and never picked up behind them. Once they start using a spot it's difficult to stop them. I too have a camera system that I watch from my desk. They always walked them before going to school so I waited for them. My irrigation system has a remote so as soon as one dog did the squat, I turned on the high pressure sprinkler for that zone. It took several times for them to get the message, but they finally did. Thankfully they are gone now.

[Baitball Blogger]

11. Nice work!

[csziggy]

7. I'd get one of those motion operated sprinklers

So when they encroach on your property the sprinkler gives them a welcome. If there are complaints, just tell them there are strays (unspecified species) coming on your property and leaving deposits.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Orbit-Yard-Enforcer-Motion-Activated-Pest-Deterrent-Sprinkler-62100/203907475

(I am not endorsing Home Depot, just posting the link for a sample of the product type.)

[Baitball Blogger]

12. Thanks for the link.

[blogslut]

9. Change your lawn to clover

It's hearty, environmentally better and not safe for dogs or cats. Then you can put up a sign that says:

"This yard is clover. Clover is not safe for dogs or cats."

[Baitball Blogger]

13. Love the idea, but I bet my HOA would have a thing to say about it.

[blogslut]

14. Yeah, sorry about the HOA

I'm not a fan of HOAs. I just hope you find a peaceful solution.

[Baitball Blogger]

18. Thank you.

Makes me wonder about the power of the authorities if they can't stop this behavior through the private breakfast meetings that take place around here with the inside group.

[Ilsa]

16. If being direct won't work, I think the passive-aggressive way

is the way to go. Redeposit the turds, use sprinklers, do anything else you can to make it uncomfortable for them. If the HOA won't protect you, then you may need to address them directly about enforcing rules.

[Baitball Blogger]

21. I prefer passive resistance to passive aggressive.

Coming out and writing about these incidents is about as far as I'm willing to let my rebel spirit to take me.

[More_Cowbell]

118. We tossed the dog's "leavings" back onto the owner's yard

And when he complained, we offered to help them pay for DNA testing of the poop so that we could all find out whose dog it was. Never heard from them again.

I'm sorry for your situation and hope that things get better.

[Baitball Blogger]

120. Thank you.

[Tipperary]

158. Have you ever just walked out and spoken to him? Face to face, politely, but firmly?

[Baitball Blogger]

159. People that you can reason with on a civil basis, don't make the kind of questionnable

decisions that seems to be common around here.

[Tipperary]

161. Um, ok. Well, good luck.

[NCTraveler]

17. I have a couple of suggestions.

But they are all petty and you don't need them.

Sorry about the issue. As you say, document, document, document. That documentation will highlight that it has risen to the level of harassment if you ever must fall back on it.

[Baitball Blogger]

19. .

[vercetti2021]

20. I can relate with my RW neighbor

If I were you, I'd toss the dog doo back into their yard. My neighbor is a huge right wing asshole who has threatened us a few times. I also made a thread about his extremely odd behavior. But we got to the point where we sack up his beer cans and drop them on his porch with a note saying recycle wisely.

But then again we don't take his shit and push back. Not saying that's what you should do, but I would start by throwing any dog doo back into your neighbors lawn and probably check into getting a fence erected high enough if your HOA allows it.

[Baitball Blogger]

22. I read your thread.

It was very helpful.

[vercetti2021]

25. Oh?

Well that's good, glad it could help out.

[mercuryblues]

23. I want to know

WTF he thinks it is that gives him the right to go on your property? If you went on his, I am sure he would shoot in fear for his life. I think that is what he is angling for. To get a rise out of you so he can claim victimhood.

Me/ I would go get some white or black pepper and lightly sprinkle it on my driveway. The dog would absolutely refuse to go near it. The guy will get it on his shoes and the dog won't go near him.

I would also think of shoveling up the deposits the dog leaves and put them in another neighbors yard. When they complain, just say yeah. I have the same problem with XYZ doing it in my yard, he's doing it to you too? or I had the same problem with XYZ doing it in my yard. I had to put up a camera to stop it. He's doing it to you now?

[Baitball Blogger]

34. I like the pepper idea.

That's a good one.

[erronis]

110. I've used much hotter cayenne pepper to good effect.

There are also various bitter-xxx sprays and very foul-smelling (to a dog, even) chemicals.

Of course it's not the dog's fault that the "owner" is an asshole, but dealing with that poor dog's after effects might change his poo-route.

[MineralMan]

24. Neighbors who trespass on a regular basis need to be stopped

from doing so. It's invasive behavior designed to intimidate. The sprinkler idea is a good one. A motion-sensor sprinkler that wets them down would be a deterrent.

However, you may have to involve the authorities. If you have video documentation, that will help. Also, a snail mail letter that advises the neighbor that you do no wish him to trespass on your property might also do the trick. If you have an attorney send it, it would be more effective. If you do that, send it as certified mail with a signature card.

Such letters need to be written carefully, with all demands stated politely, but firmly. You can include the information that you are documenting these protests on video. Just be neutral in your language. Explain the problem, state that it is disturbing to you, and demand that the behavior cease. Keep a copy with the return receipt from the certified mailing. That will be part of the evidence if you have to involve the authorities.

Always maintain an even, polite, but insistent tone in any such correspondence. Again, an attorney knows exactly how to do this.

[Baitball Blogger]

35. As you pointed out a few years back.

When you post on DU, chances are that someone in the community will figure out who you are. I am confident that my pleas are being read by the right people. The question is, how long are they going to dummy-up?

[MineralMan]

42. Perhaps. However, you can take action on your own at any time.

Beyond that, I have no advice.

[Baitball Blogger]

57. Thanks.

If they are going to pretend that they are not reading the posts, they are going to pretend about other things too.

[MineralMan]

59. Really, I doubt that your neighbors are reading DU.

It seems very, very unlikely that they would. I run in Democratic circles, but rarely find people who have even heard of this site. Why would your neighbors come here? Think again, I recommend.

[Eliot Rosewater]

86. Yeah I am often surprised how few ever heard of this place.

[Tipperary]

160. Really? You are actually assuming your neighbors will read du and know who you are?

Then do what you want? Why not just talk to the guy? I doubt they read du, seriously very unlikely.

[Mariana]

58. The difference is, if you do what MineralMan suggests

then you can prove the message was received. If you're communicating via blog or posts on a website, even if the intended recipients of your message do read it, they can deny that they have done so.

[bearsfootball516]

101. I wouldn't be too worried about them finding out who you are from DU.

It's a nice community here, but it's not even a drop in the bucket when it comes to the Democratic Party. You're talking about a couple hundred people that post regularly compared to several tens of millions of Democrats nationwide.

I don't think you'd have anything to worry about.

[S.E. TN Liberal]

26. The conversation I would have with that neighbor is;

Good morning. Are you planning to clean up your dog's mess if he makes one in my yard?

[rickford66]

27. See if you can find a high frequency dog deterrent.

I thought I saw something like that years ago. I know I've seen them to deter rodents and ants.

[Sailor65x1]

28. Lounge? Blog? DU?

It sounds.like all of your complaints have been passive in nature, and indirect, under the assumption that he/she would somehow hear about it from the community. Have you spoken to the neighbor and told him to stop? Were you to call the police, that's the first question they would ask you anyway.

And dogs can't see infrared.

[Baitball Blogger]

36. Before the camera starts shooting in infra-red, there is a red glow on the lenses.

That's what he saw. Don't know the technicality of why that has to come first.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

102. I think that feature is to let you know the IR is working...

because you can't see it. Otherwise, you wouldn't know when it's in IR mode. That's my guess.

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[OregonBlue]

29. I live in a rural area and have lots of huge dogs coming on my property. I have little dogs who get

really scared. I put a thin line of cayenne pepper (not the really hot, hot kind, but the kind you cook with) around my property and most of the dogs took one whiff and quit coming onto my lawn. Some tried it a time or two but it did work and I had to put it out after the rain once or twice. I recommend using it lightly. I love dogs and have no wish to harm them, only to discourage them.

[Baitball Blogger]

37. Thank you.

[OregonBlue]

150. All restaurant supply stores and most food cooperatives carry it by the pound. Also Amazon.

It even comes with a sprinkle lid!!!!!

[Orange Free State]

30. Get 1 1/2" PVC pipe at Lowe's

Get bicycle inner tube at Mal-Wart, construct giant slingshot. Use to fire dog nuggets back at perp’s roof. You can launch them a long way with this, like a city block.

[erronis]

114. Excellent! You may also want to include some very old uncooked eggs...

Not that anyone would want to know, but the egg trick is a great way to fowl [stet] other things.

[eppur_se_muova]

133. Ever try pickling a raw egg in vinegar ?

It's unbelievably foul, but too fragile to throw without, um, "accidents".

[Orange Free State]

166. Fowl? Bwahahahahahaha!

I think returning the dog crap is more appropriate, since it belongs to them and so he’d just be returning their property.

[IronLionZion]

31. Put up the most Republican looking "Trespassers will be shot" sign

and a "This house doesn't call 911" sign with some guns on it.

I would avoid any punishments for the dog because it's just a dog.

I live in DC, home to some of the most entitled assholes in America. Just this morning I saw some young dude yelling at 2 elderly ladies to get the F out of the way in a construction pedestrian tunnel while he was biking. A different sort of person might have knocked him down and told him to ride on the street which has marked bike lanes. What an asshole.

Some people feel like they own a city or neighborhood and that other people are just visitors. It can be delusional and sometimes turn violent.

There is some white entitlement in this video for those interested:
White Guy Who "Settled" Downtown Brooklyn Tells Us Why He Lashed Out At Stroller Couple
http://gothamist.com/2015/09/24/brooklyn_settler_interview.php

[Baitball Blogger]

39. The dog is actually likeable.

It's not the dog's fault.

[hunter]

139. Ah, a "Wait 'til I'm not home so you can break into my house and take my guns" sign...

That's the way it works most places I've lived.

If burglars are looking for a house to break into they'll go for the one with guns.

[cwydro]

142. OP already said no signs allowed by his/her HOA.

[Cognitive_Resonance]

33. Yard Sentinel ultrasonic device, under $30. nt

[Baitball Blogger]

40. This sounds very passive resistance.

Just my style.

[IronLionZion]

63. That sounds like it would punish the innocent dog, not it's human

[Baitball Blogger]

65. I would get one that has motion detection sensors.

Frankly, the dog is smart. After a while, it learned. It won't cross a certain line.

[Cognitive_Resonance]

95. It's motion activated, dogs will just move on away from the sound rather than linger. nt

[Downtown Hound]

38. If you have an HOA I would complain to them before going to the cops or a lawyer

Believe me, HOA's can be way worse to deal with than the police. If you have video evidence, show it to them. If the man persists after that, then it might be time to bring in the cops or a lawyer.

[pnwmom]

41. Are you saying the person is coming on your property, or just the dog?

And have you asked the person not to do so?

[Baitball Blogger]

60. It's a trespass.

More importantly, there's no reason for it. This person only has to take a few steps to take to reach their own property.

[pnwmom]

97. It's a trespass by the dog or by the person or both? I'm not sure from your description

whether the person is walking on your property or just the dog. And does your town have scooper laws?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

43. Sprinkler system connected to the motion detector. . . . nt

[askyagerz]

44. Buy a non working bear trap and put it in the driveway.

He wont let his dog on your property again

[forthemiddle]

45. I am unclear on one part.

Have you actually approached him, and nicely asked him to not let his dog on your property?
That is not a rude question, and I would be surprised if he got offended.

As an aside, one of my pushiest, rudest neighbor of all times (no sense of boundaries) was a extremely progressive liberal. So unless you are 100% sure of his political leanings, I doubt his lack of courtesy has anything to do with who he voted for.

Good luck, and remember, fences sometimes do make the best neighbors!

[Baitball Blogger]

64. There will not be a conversation.

Not unless we had an objective party watching and taking notes.

But I do like the fact that you recognize that political affiliation isn't always an indication of how people respond. I think there are many negative distractions in daily life that can bring people of different parties together for the wrong reason. I'm talking about day to day things.

Imagine if you a hardcore liberal, moving into a community like mine. If you have children to raise, you aren't going to do anything that will make life harder for them. So, if someone comes to them to trash someone else in the community, you're going to listen to them. Frankly, I say that though I know I wouldn't have fallen for it. I know because it happened to me several times and I knew to pull away from the person who was doing the trashing.

It's not so easy to do the right thing, the way we make it sound on this website.

[forthemiddle]

87. I also live in a very red area.

The liberal neighbor, and I got along GREAT, and could spend hours discussing world affairs.
But, I swear he was totally unaware of his dogs (and his) lack of boundries. It wasn't just my house, it was somewhat the laugh of the neighborhood. He seemed oblivious to that fact that he should not let his dog poop in our yards. He also liked to just walk over and start talking to whoever might be outside enjoying their yards.
Like I said, no boundries. I never confronted him on his coming over all the time, but I did say nicely "Can you please not let your dog into my yard to poop? It becomes quite bothersome when I'm trying to mow the lawn."
He was actually very nice about it, and the behavior stopped. So maybe you could just approach it like that. He may not even be aware that his behavior is bothering you so much.
I also like the suggestion of complaints to your HOA. They don't want dogs pooping on others lawns either.
As I said, Good Luck.

[lunasun]

48. Keep documenting . Yes social media has actually been a benefit to those in the minority I agree

I really haven't seen any Why don't you just move ? replies since the start of JPR seems to have taken those folks out of DU, but maybe it is still around ....although that attitude itself , I hope if it is still around, moves away
Don't expect any help from smiling faces who are a just a front for continuing those actions .
Maybe try some repellents for dogs . Seems like he is using the dog as a decoy for his own aggression. Good luck Stay strong

[Baitball Blogger]

66. Thank you.

[steventh]

49. flour

I sprinkled a conspicuous amount of white flour around the perimeter of the yard where neighbors used to let their dogs do. When asked about what it is, I say I wouldn't let my dog walk in it. They assume it's some kind of poison? I don't correct their assumption. It's a quick inexpensive deterrent. It didn't take many repeat applications before the rude neighbors decided to stay on the other side of the street.

[Major Nikon]

50. I decided a long time ago not to put up with shit from my neighbors

The last home I lived in I had a couple of neighbors that were just assholes and I never turned them in for anything out of the desire to just get along. When I moved I decided I would never let that happen to me again. If my neighbors break the law or HOA rules and I have an issue with it, I turn them in. I don't suffer loud noises at all hours of the day and night and I don't suffer dogs shitting in my yard. If I know who they are, I make an effort to tell them first and work it out, but if they decide not to be neighborly, I'm not going to be the only one who has a problem. I don't care if they know I'm the one who turned them in. I'm sure I have one neighbor who doesn't like me and never will, but they now keep their dog quiet and other neighbors are thankful I did something about it.

[dalton99a]

68. +1

[Baitball Blogger]

69. I hope this community can someday be one where it would be that easy.

It doesn't function like a normal incorporated residential area.

[Major Nikon]

89. I live in a deep red county in Texas

I have a neighbor who is obviously a Trump supporter and likes to go on about "illegals" on the forum section of our HOA's web site. Then they buy their kid a go-cart with no muffler and let him ride it all over the neighborhood on the sidewalks and street. I sent them a note telling them they are in violation of several ordinances. Their response was it was no big deal and kids just need to have fun and they have nowhere else to let them ride it. So evidently misdemeanors are only a problem when someone else is doing it, and it doesn't hurt they are on the wrong side of their racism and xenophobia. So the next time their kid got a warning from the city cops and no longer used it in the neighborhood. I can only hope that factored into their decision to move out. I'm sure I'm not the only one glad to see them go.

[Sunlei]

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[Baitball Blogger]

70. Thank you.

[Snake Plissken]

53. I have the best neighbors in the world, and I never take it for granted.

because our houses are only ten feet from our property lines.

Nobody gives anyone any grief, in fact we help each other out

Having asshole neighbors is like having Trump in the White House, it's added unnecessary bullshit you have to put up with because providing unnecessary bullshit is all they have to offer.

[Baitball Blogger]

71. I had great neighbors until we moved here.

There were a lot of factors that took this community down the wrong path.

[aeromanKC]

54. Your neighbor is Punk'n you

Deplorables relish being deplorable. If it's a Red Community then he also feels teh HOA will back him up.

[Baitball Blogger]

72. You have a sharp eye.

[Pepsidog]

55. Like sprinkler idea or maybe some motion activated loud siren that will scare the crap out of them.

There are probably local ordinances he is violating which you can charge him with or sue him in small claims court for being a nuisance. Intentionally allowing your dog to bark uncontrollably can be considered harassment in many states.

[Baitball Blogger]

73. I am definitely taking notes about options I can take.

Thank you.

[niyad]

56. I would be tempted to oil the driveway, but the person would probably sue you.

maybe you should take up a hobby--bagpipes!

[Baitball Blogger]

74. Bagpipes? Maybe I'll get good enough to perform at the annual Highlander games?

[niyad]

80. we will, of course, want the video!!!

[avebury]

61. Are you able to have a pretty good idea of when the guy will trespass?

If so turn off any light related to your sensors and stay up and wait for the guy. As soon as the guy steps on your property, pick up your phone and call 911 and report an intruder. Stress that you don't know if he is armed or not but you are afraid for your life. Sit back and hopefully the police will show up pronto and nab the guy in the act.

[Baitball Blogger]

77. Getting up early in the morning would definitely be a major inconvenience. LOL!

I like to go to bed late at night, so waiting for me to get up before nine is like waiting for a kettle to boil when the oven is dormant.

[kag]

62. You've gotten some good advice here.

Not sure I have much to add, except to wish you luck in dealing with this. You sound like a very polite, non-confrontational person (much like myself), but it sucks to be taken advantage of.

I like the pepper ideas, as well as the sprinklers. The bonus with the sprinklers is that the dog will love the water, and the owner will likely hate it. Win-win!

Good luck with your efforts!

[Baitball Blogger]

79. Thank you for the kind words.

They mean a lot.

[Corgigal]

76. We just moved from South Carolina.

We had a 80 something year old husband and wife confide to us that they were fearful of their neighbor. He originally moved in with his mother, but they didn't get along and she moved out. He also had a issue with boundaries, he would cross the little street, where was a small duck pond and tell people where they could not stand.
Then he did a spooky thing. I didn't really understand it but my husband did. He took reflective tape and started to put it down on the yard. Different color by the driveway, another on on the yard to the mailbox.
So, what did we do? We called Secret Service, we sent them the photos. Secret Service has a little known area about threat assessment. We don't know what the did to the spooky neighbor, they did contact the 80 year old neighbor. The creepy guy ended up moving.
Document everything, if you feel he's a threat to you, or others then you call it in. It's a top level response, but sometimes that is all they understand.

[Baitball Blogger]

83. I don't think it's that bad, though you've perked my curiousity.

PM me and tell me what the tape was all about.

[Lee-Lee]

78. I am confused here

Have you actually, at any point, actually told this person “you are not allowed to come onto my property in the manner you have been” or in any other way directly communicated with them that they do not have permission to do that. Or have you just engaged in a bunch of passive-aggressive uses of technology?

The first step when someone is on your property and you do not want them to be there is to directly and clearly communicate to them that they don’t have permission. You can do it yourself in person, you can send a registered letter, you can even call your local police department and have them deliver the message and ensure it’s logged that they were told.

In almost every state and jurisdiction is your property isn’t posted or fenced then such a notice is legally required before they could be cited or arrested as trespassers.

So, if you have not told them, then that’s step one.

[Baitball Blogger]

93. Since we aren't allowed to put up signs, I'm pretty sure the compilation of videos

and photos should do.

[Lee-Lee]

122. You haven't really answered the question

Have you actually told the person you do not want them on your property?

[Tipperary]

162. Nope. Op has not. Read up thread. Op is posting on du, certain that said neighbor will see op.

Supposedly neighbor is right wing, so I am all kinds of confused.

[scarletlib]

81. I understand your determination.

Just be safe for your sake and your family.

[Baitball Blogger]

98. Thank you.

[nini]

82. Is the dog using your lawn to poop?

Is that the whole point of the dog coming on your side?

[Baitball Blogger]

99. Only pooped once, that I caught on video.

I don't know what is going on there, as far as allowing the dog to wander up to the house. That's how it started. The dog is now smart enough to stand back.

I do have dogs of my own and I take them out to relieve themselves in the front yard, so maybe it's following a scent?

[pnwmom]

103. Dogs are always interested in following another dog's scent. Is there a leash law in your town?

If there isn't I'd expect even more dogs to be in your yard.

[Baitball Blogger]

106. The dog is always on a leash. The dog would trespass up the driveway,

and the owner would follow behind, based on the extended leash.

There's no reason to walk up that close to someone's house. None.

[pnwmom]

111. You say, "would." Has the owner stopped following the dog up the driveway?

I understand why that would be unnerving.

[Baitball Blogger]

116. This morning the dog stopped in its tracks, just over the property line.

We all know that our deeded property is a certain amount of feet off the street, and the dog walks over that line and now stop in its tracks. Like it knows it doesn't belong there. It's the owner who had to pull it to the side yard to cross over to their property.

No question in my mind that it is behavior stoked by the ornery circles in this community. That's how a lot of bad ideas spread in this place.

[pnwmom]

135. So the owner pulled it onto your side yard? Yeah, that doesn't make sense,

unless they were trying to annoy you.

[Baitball Blogger]

136. Bingo.

No question in my mind.

[DownriverDem]

85. Can you put up

an alarm? Maybe the noise would make him back off.

[Baitball Blogger]

107. It would have to be a very selective alarm, with a narrow focus.

There are other ideas that might work, better.

But, thank you.

[extvbroadcaster]

90. Never fall in love with a house

My two cents is never fall in love with a house. It's just a roof for your stuff. Unless you live in the middle of nowhere, you take a gamble with neighbors. I bought a house one time and the guy next door was fine. He moved, a new guy moved in that was sort of a prick. He moved, and the next guy was the asshole to end all assholes. He did everything from screaming at his wife, beating their teenage kid, blasting music, have his dog shit in my yard, playing drums, parking his boat in the front yard, having drunken pool parties - I could go on, but you get the idea. I sold the house (it sucked anyway) and never looked back. Bye bye, asshole! You have to assess the problem and see if you can deal with it. If living next to some jerkwad starts to impact your life, then think about leaving. The world is a big place and life is too short to waste it on some crap neighbors that you wound up living next to because of random fate.

[Hekate]

100. I'm in love with my house

Some of us are

[Baitball Blogger]

108. Thank you.

This was always my American Dream.

[Hekate]

130. Me too. Now that the kids are grown and my husband is telecommuting full time, we moved...

...to a much less expensive town down the coast and bought the house of my dreams, thoughtfully designed 30 years ago by a couple now in their 90s and ready to move to a retirement community close to their son. On one level, so no stairs. I'll stop. I just love it every day, and I'm happy for you.

[spinbaby]

140. I think every neighborhood has THAT neighbor

Last place we lived had an unbelievable slob living across the street. It was nice and neat when we moved in but he had also just moved in and over the years collected old vehicles, appliances, and random junk. In the new place we have elderly cat hoarders living on the next block—thank goodness not right next door. Everyone I talk to seems to have a problem neighbor of some kind.

[Hekate]

92. I like some of the suggestions here & am taking notes! (black pepper, white flour, sprinklers)

"I wouldn't let my dog walk in it!" regarding the white flour, made me laugh. Maybe wear one of those dust masks during application for effect.

I myself don't like ramping up aggression -- I am with you all the way.

Best of luck to you -- may the years ahead be peaceful and enjoyable.

[Baitball Blogger]

109. Thank you so much!

A lot about life is knowing how to stand your ground without escalating a situation.

[procon]

94. There are home security systems with a two way talk function.

Many brands out there and some are quite inexpensive. If you gave your trespasser a big shout out, from the safety of your house, and demanded to know what he was doing on your property -- thieves and burglars might get arrested or shot, you know -- maybe that would chase him off for good. It would sure make a good record of his illicit activities that you could post to a Facebook page, and be sure to let him know he's the star of your new Candid Camera Show.

[Baitball Blogger]

112. I have to look into that, because I'm not sure that we are allowed to combine microphones to our

recorders in Florida.

[procon]

121. I think they are linked to Smart Phones, maybe that's a workaround?

They should be easy for DIY people to install. Even if verboten, I'd say go for it until you get paper, then plead ignorance, present your video evidence and try for a waiver.

[Baitball Blogger]

124. You're right that there are smartphone commercials, even here in Florida, where people

talk to the perps. I'll look into it. Thank you.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

113. It's a damn shame we have to live this way.

I go back to the days when politics was very rarely discussed and a person's politics did not influence how we behaved toward one another - in a small country farm town in the South (50s/60s). Granted, there was resentment toward the wealthy and racism was not yet addressed, but everyone got along. We actually had real ladies and gentlemen back then, both rich and poor, and black and white. Civility was very important and encouraged in children.

We've somehow allowed the hard right-wing to divide us and force us into tribal bubbles - exactly where they want us. They know that when we're despising each other and participating in trivial spats, we won't have the time or mental energy to raise hell against their hubris and control. In addition to that, they now control most of the world's wealth.

I have a lot of trouble being positive in this day and age. Best of luck in resolving your trespassing issues.


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[Baitball Blogger]

117. Thank you.

[yonder]

131. Yes, yes, yes and thank you KY_EG! What you said and it IS a damn shame.

Civil discourse, good manners somehow got transformed into "politically correct" which was then co-opted by the right as something to avoid. That then gave those with boorish tendencies license to act in any vulgar manner they choose. Now that politically correct is "bad or weak" they can let their coarse instincts rule without effort. It takes work to live in harmony, but less than they think.

If I could recommend your post I would.

[RKP5637]

115. We have a rental next door. I cringe every time someone moves out. The last tenants were OK and I

think the new tenants are democrats, and on the other side is a full time democrat, and behind is an independent. This is a 50/50 area. The people are mostly professional, but a few are very strange, like very strange. Fortunately, they are not near me. I can really feel your pain, I've been in border situations like that before and it's frustrating as hell.

[Baitball Blogger]

119. Thank you.

[Bayard]

123. Stop them now

Before it escalates further.

I had the same problem on my farm in CA, except with cattle. Evil neighbors were letting them run onto our property. Cow manure everywhere. We asked nicely, then we demanded, then we called the Brand Inspector who jumped on them. Then we called the sheriff's dept. Ended up in court for the next 8 years, and we ended up losing our farm.

[yonder]

125. Try this:

Pee in a cup. Take it outside, start at the offending property corner(s) and pour there and up and down the property line where the incursion(s) keeps taking place. It will probably take several maintenance "doses", but keep it saturated for a while. I've had limited success with this but when it works, I understand it is because the dog is alerted to where his boundaries are by scent. There is another animal (you) on the other side and oftentimes they will respect that boundary. The HOA probably can't address your choice of customized lawn/yard treatment. The neighbors might think you're a kook and that may or may not be to your benefit. good luck

[Baitball Blogger]

128. I don't think my conservative neighbors have any trouble seeing me as an anomaly.

I am a member of a minority group who has gandered their private micro-culture and I'm willing to write about it.

This must be something new to them.

As for your idea, maybe someone can sell me some bear urine?

[yonder]

134. Don't think it matters, unless that dog has experience with bears.

Use your own, because you are the "bear" that lives there.

[Hekate]

138. Some pet & sporting goods stores carry wild predator animal scents, and some zoos sell "Zoo Doo"

Yep, literally the manure from the pens of caged predators. As for the pet stores and sporting goods stores, I have not read the labels, my eyes just passed along the shelf while looking for something else. I've read about Zoo Doo in the LA Times in the past. It's all about warning off pesky critters you don't want on your property, like the neighbor's cats and dogs.

[Baitball Blogger]

141. Thank you!

[AllaN01Bear]

127. howdi

many moons ago a friend of mine had simalr problems with a dog ,but in liquid form. he took his model t and parked it on the drve , opened the hood and disconected the wire from the distributor and ran a long wire to the lawn which had a grage floor pan with food to entice the animal. he then proceeded to soak the lawn and the floor pan with lots and lots of water .the dog showed up and enticed by the food , my friend pushed the starter button on his model t and a very hefty current of hig tension electricity shot into the lawn. the dog got a suprise of his life and took off. morale , the dog completly avoided my friends lawn after that shocking experiance .

[Baitball Blogger]

129. Too intense for me.

And, it's not the dog's fault. It's on a leash, so it's operator error.

[demmiblue]

137. What a psychopath. n/t

[Downtown Hound]

147. Your friend sounds like a bonehead.

[Tipperary]

163. That is really horrible. I cannot imagine the kind of person who would do that to an animal.

Sick.

[Kajun Gal]

143. Re the pepper solution: CAYENNE pepper!

It's an old tradition for deterring all critters. If they walk in it then lick their paws they will not be happy. I do like the sprinkler idea, too!

[pansypoo53219]

144. shovel the shit to his front door.

leave a note. we found your LOST stuff.

[hunter]

145. I'm autistic spectrum oblivious to micro and passive aggressions.

It drives anyone trying to piss me off crazy. I used to say I never knew if someone loved me or hated me until they punched me in the face or kissed me. Nearing the age of sixty, those social graces I do have were hard won.

The worst thing you can do to someone like your passive aggressive neighbor is to ignore them. Leave the dog shit out for a couple of days before you quietly dispose of it. If passive aggressive neighbor gets increasingly upset that they've been ignored and they escalate, invite them into your world.

Inside our front garden gate it's Mad Scientist Hotel California Burning Man Festival every day of the year, without the loud music. People who can't deal with that run away and never bother us again.

I probably wouldn't survive in an HOA neighborhood. So far our house is painted in boring colors, but some of our neighbors have exuberantly brilliant house colors, play loud music, and have project cars sitting in their driveways for months at a time. I paint over the gang graffiti on my back wall as a kind of meditation. The kids who done it know they're not getting under my skin. Your neighbor's no different than these kids, but he's too cowardly to press the boundaries of what he considers his territory by spray painting it or pissing on it himself.

[Lee-Lee]

146. So, have you ever actually told them you don't want them doing that?

I’m still confused on this after reading all the posts and even asking you.

Have you actually told them you don’t want them coming onto your property and asked them not to?

[Baitball Blogger]

148. That would be a normal thing to do in a normal community.

This is not a normal community. I doubt very many are in red communities.

[Ms. Toad]

149. I grew up in a red community -

and where I live now is a red pocket in a blue county, and I confess that I'm still having a hard time understanding (other than the dog poop) what the fuss is about.

We have neighbors wander across our yard relatively frequently, taking a short-cut to catch the bus, or a soccer field, and occasionally walking their dogs. When they do something destructive (like destroying grassy areas to create a track with their off-road vehicles, or hunting) we ask them to stop. Otherwise I am just not understanding why a simple trespass merits this thread (and, according to your posts, at least one lounge thread).

If it really upsets you so much, take the to small claims court for trespass. You don't need a lawyer. All you have to do is prove he intentionally set foot on your property. Proving damages will increase your award, but you get nominal damages (in most jurisdictions) just for proving the trespass occurred.

[Baitball Blogger]

151. I'll PM you tomorrow.

Long history. And this is not a child we're talking about.

[Lee-Lee]

154. They can't go to small claims court for trespass

You can’t go to court without a claim of damages, they have none.

And even if you could, since they have never even told the neighbor to not come on the property they would get thrown out anyway, for a criminal complaint or a civil case (were a civil case even possible)

[Ms. Toad]

165. Umm...that would be almost completely incorrect.

* The civil claim of trespass does not require notice to the neighbor. All it requires is that the neighbor intentionally set foot on your property.
* The civil claim of trespass does not require monetary damages; all it requires is an invasion of property without consent. If there is no monetary harm, nominal damages will be awarded. Some people find it useful to sue for trespass just to make a point.
* In most jurisdictions, you certainly can go to small claims court for trespass. (Injunctive relief is not generally available in small claims court - so if the goal is to get a court order to keep the neighbor off the property, you are correct that you would not generally be able to obtain that kind of relief in a small claims court. That is not the same thing as not being able to go to small claims court for trespass.)

[Lee-Lee]

153. So no then? In that case, this is on you

You have somebody doing something you don’t like and you literally have done everything other than simply ask them to stop.

All kinds of passive aggressive stuff with lights and sensors, all kinds of rants online, working yourself up into a fit and worrying to death about it. To the point of having cameras and everything.

But you haven’t done the first simple and most common sense first step of simply saying “hey, it bothers me when people or dogs or on the property, nothing personal, but could you please not cut across my yard and keep your dog off”.

It has nothing to do with being in a red community. I live in a red community in a red county in a mostly red state.

It’s about common sense and decency. Even if you don’t think the neighbor will react well, if your a decent person you will actually take the simple step of telling them you don’t like them in your yard.

Instead you choose llights and cameras and online rants and worrying yourself to death over someone doing something that you haven’t even asked them not to, so they may have no clue it bothers you at all and they may stop as soon as you simply ask.

If you haven’t asked them to stop then you have little to no room to complain when they keep it up.

[Baitball Blogger]

157. I use to think that way too. That the law use to mean something.

Until I met people who do not respect it. If my goal is to avoid escalating an untenable situation, the best option is to avoid them. I will exhaust all the other options first.

Thanks for listening.

[cwydro]

167. This thread is hilarious.

Could be we’re being played.

[vlyons]

152. There's a few things that I don't understand

Have you talked to the guy and asked him not to walk his dog on your property? And certainly to pick up the poop! Have you consulted a lawyer? Seen the sheriff? If he walks his dog under your bedroom window and wakes you, that right there is a trespass and noise abatement problem. A lawyer can send him a cease and desist letter.

I would tell the guy that if he doesn't pick up his dog's poop, you will simply hang it on his door knob or put it in his mail box. Moreover, I would tell him that if he's trying to force you to move, then you'll sell your house to a nice black/Hispsanic/Muslim/Asian family that you know. I would also say that you want to be good neighbors, but you'll go to the sheriff if necessary.

I'm sorry you have this hassle. Clearly the guy is a jerk. Probably a cowardly bully that has to sneak around to do mischief. If you stand up to him face-to-face, he might back off you and find another target for his stupidity.

[blue neen]

164. Tampering with someone else's mailbox is a federal crime.

Just sayin'.

[Baitball Blogger]

168. You aren't going to believe this, because I'm still trying to process it, but someone did take

something out of my mailbox at around the same time.

It was one of those Amazon Sunday deliveries and the person who delivered it put it into my box, instead of taking it to my door. Since it was a Sunday delivery, I didn't check the mail that day. I suspect the package was protruding from the box, which would have made it very easy for someone just to pull it out as they rode by. Still trying to gather the facts. Not sure if the Postmaster is going to respond to my inquiry.

Amazon was great. Already refunded and another is coming my way.