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A judge put a stay on Stormy's lawsuit for 90 days. (Original Post) BigmanPigman Apr 2018 OP
Nightmare? Nah. We're all in it for the long haul anyway. Hortensis Apr 2018 #1
Not necessarily a problem. Sophia4 Apr 2018 #5
A new hero. :) He does come over well, Hortensis Apr 2018 #8
He is just a lawyer who loves his job. Sophia4 Apr 2018 #10
He should be. He'd be my choice if needed and could. Hortensis Apr 2018 #18
In what way is this lawsuit a "nightmare for the country"? jberryhill Apr 2018 #2
I didn't read it the way you did. Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #11
I guess so... jberryhill Apr 2018 #12
That IS what I meant... BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #14
It -was- pretty evident. nt awesomerwb1 Apr 2018 #26
Yes. About 5 in a 100 or so watch political news. Hortensis Apr 2018 #16
Damn! Someone pay off the judge? triron Apr 2018 #3
here's the ruling jberryhill Apr 2018 #6
Asinine ruling manor321 Apr 2018 #19
It depends on what Cohen gets indicted for jberryhill Apr 2018 #25
Ok well that is 90 days to torture RUMP with this. We are ready when you are Avenetti...cause you Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #4
It does seem Stormy's rights have taken a back seat dem4decades Apr 2018 #7
I believe I heard Avenatti say cilla4progress Apr 2018 #9
How would the Dems prevent Pence from becoming President? maxsolomon Apr 2018 #15
Slow walk and cilla4progress Apr 2018 #21
You're expecting Daniel's lawsuit to end Trump's Presidency? maxsolomon Apr 2018 #13
exactly. 0rganism Apr 2018 #24
This is not going to stop Avenatti lunatica Apr 2018 #17
Which puts it about 100 days before the election . . . hatrack Apr 2018 #20
Also the Judge, Otero, cilla4progress Apr 2018 #22
Due to overlap with criminal prosecution and "likely" Cohen indictment NightWatcher Apr 2018 #23
What does cohens criminal activity in another care have any bearing on her due process? onecaliberal Apr 2018 #27
I've been watching CNN and MSNBC BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #28
Yes. I'm confused with this whole thing. I thought they were separate. onecaliberal Apr 2018 #29

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
1. Nightmare? Nah. We're all in it for the long haul anyway.
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 05:22 PM
Apr 2018

Be sure to thank the conservatives you run into before you run out of gratitude.

But this does seem to finally be a bump in what her attorney said has been a wonderfully smooth road where everything was going their way.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. A new hero. :) He does come over well,
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 05:31 PM
Apr 2018

but I'm sure he hates to lose momentum with the press, even if it does open up time to tend to other business back home.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. He should be. He'd be my choice if needed and could.
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 05:45 PM
Apr 2018

Reminds me of an extremely attractive man who just walked up to me in a hallway, leaned over, and looked deeply into my eyes. When I came to I learned he'd been my anesthetist. Four decades ago and I've never forgotten him, though. Sigh...

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
2. In what way is this lawsuit a "nightmare for the country"?
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 05:24 PM
Apr 2018

Whether or not this proceeding results in invalidating the hush agreement with Stormy Daniels, I'm not sure what the consequences of national importance would be either way.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
11. I didn't read it the way you did.
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 05:35 PM
Apr 2018

To me it read as the nightmare being tRump. When will THAT ever end. But the OP can speak for themselves.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
12. I guess so...
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 05:37 PM
Apr 2018


...but whether Daniels is or is not released from the alleged agreement is not a question of national importance.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Yes. About 5 in a 100 or so watch political news.
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 05:42 PM
Apr 2018

Most prefer the slicks of peanut-butter coverage that join news and weather as fillings between the thick slabs of commercials in the evening news.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
6. here's the ruling
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 05:27 PM
Apr 2018

Why do you believe that it would require bribing a judge to obtain a 90 day stay?

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.704250/gov.uscourts.cacd.704250.53.0.pdf

" It is also quite possible that the
outcome of the criminal inves
tigation will benefit the parties
and the Court by streamlining the
issues and questions presented in this action.
Accordingly, the interests of judicial efficiency
weigh in favor of a temporary stay. "

Believe it or not, the interest of the court per se in a matter is simply finding the most efficient way of disposing of it. What the court is essentially saying here is that letting the criminal proceeding go forward for a while might lead to a shorter path for dealing with this civil lawsuit.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
19. Asinine ruling
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 05:52 PM
Apr 2018

What a goddamned joke. The criminal case is going to drag on and on and on as the lawyers try to slow it down. They already inserted a special master into the thing to slow it down. A 90 day wait just makes Stormy wait even longer for justice. It's disgusting.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
25. It depends on what Cohen gets indicted for
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 06:32 PM
Apr 2018

At this point, we really don't know what, specifically, was the crime for which probable cause led to the search. While a whole lot of stuff was included in the scope of the search, it is a fairly binary decision of "they found what they were looking for" or "they didn't".

As far as "waiting for justice", Judge Otero addressed that during the hearing. The only thing that Daniels is seeking (in the part of the complaint that won't be separated out by SLAPP) is a declaration that the contract was invalid, so that she can get out from under enforcement of the arbitration decision. Since enforcement of the arbitration decision is, as a consequence of this suit, itself tied up, it's not as if she has to pay whatever it was.

But the notion that she remains effectively prohibited from telling her story, is sort of a matter of horses that have long left the barn. She engaged in a, what shall we say, liaison, with Trump in Tahoe, communicated with him periodically over whether she could get onto The Apprentice, watched Shark Week in LA without any sex, and further states that she was threatened in 2011 (and has released a sketch of the suspect, who is long subject to the statute of limitations civilly or criminally). The formation of the agreement itself was something of a joke, she got the money, and when she started dropping hints about it in January, Cohen threatened to enforce the agreement unless she signed a denial. She signed the denial, continued to be ambiguous, and Cohen got an arbitration award in February. Subsequently, this suit was filed. The story is pretty well fleshed out, right down to a slap on the tighty whities.

If the idea is that this delays any sort of monetary judgment in her favor, I'm not sure where that comes from. The first consequence of a ruling that the contract was invalid is that she would have to pay back the $130k. You can't claim that a contract under which you got paid $130k is invalid, and then claim you are entitled to keep the money under the contract.

McDougal - who had a longer and more involved relationship with Trump - has already settled that suit and is free to talk. She's not really doing a whole lot of talking, because she is likewise in talks with a publisher who is actually going to publish this time.


 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
4. Ok well that is 90 days to torture RUMP with this. We are ready when you are Avenetti...cause you
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 05:26 PM
Apr 2018

best believe he has ACES up his sleeve.

cilla4progress

(24,731 posts)
9. I believe I heard Avenatti say
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 05:33 PM
Apr 2018

He expected this, though opposed it in his filings.

I’ve also heard better to unseat trump after Dems take the House this fall, rather than while Rs are in charge and can install Pence.

Makes sense to me.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
15. How would the Dems prevent Pence from becoming President?
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 05:39 PM
Apr 2018

Impeach them both?

Be realistic. 2/3 of the Senate need to convict. It's never happened.

cilla4progress

(24,731 posts)
21. Slow walk and
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 06:05 PM
Apr 2018

Foot drag. Take advantage of any opening.

Not to mention Pence is implicated. Investigate, Benghazi-style. Throw mud and see what sticks.

Get creative.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
13. You're expecting Daniel's lawsuit to end Trump's Presidency?
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 05:37 PM
Apr 2018

You'd better gird your loins. We've only just started.

At this point, I put Trump's odds of re-election >50%, and the chance of his Impeachment and Conviction anytime during his 2 terms at 0%.

The odds of him suspending the Constitution to remain President in 2024 are better than his Impeachment.

We're on the verge of an Autocracy, not the salvation of our Republic.

0rganism

(23,953 posts)
24. exactly.
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 06:20 PM
Apr 2018

lots of pollyanna posts around here about how Democrats are going to fix everything once we "fer shure guaranteed" win the house in 2018. i have a strong sense that we are in for an exceedingly rude awakening.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
17. This is not going to stop Avenatti
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 05:42 PM
Apr 2018

As fast and flexible as he is to jump on opportunities he’s just as able to absorb any setbacks. His reactions are quick and fluid. It’s quite interesting to watch.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
23. Due to overlap with criminal prosecution and "likely" Cohen indictment
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 06:09 PM
Apr 2018

This doesn't sound too good for Cohen.



https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/27/trump-stormy-daniels-case-delay-558294

U.S. District Court Judge S. James Otero said it appeared “likely” that Cohen would be indicted in connection with the ongoing investigation, which led to search warrant raids on Cohen’s home, office and hotel room in New York earlier this month.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
28. I've been watching CNN and MSNBC
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 08:44 PM
Apr 2018

and am trying to understand the legal lingo. From what I have gathered from people who understand the law the judges are making pretty understandable and realistic decisions. It sure is confusing though.

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