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A porn star is infinitely more credible than the president of the US.
Leghorn21
(13,527 posts)lawyer is, dem -
Oi!!
California_Republic
(1,826 posts)poboy2
(2,078 posts)Michael would represent me, and represent me on some things. He represents me like with this crazy Stormy Daniels deal, he represented me."
Trump admits he is DD?
Also-
-Trump admits he stayed overnight in Moscow back in 2013, confirming yet another aspect of the Steele dossier.
-Trump admits he was aware of the Stormy Daniels settlement/agreement after previously saying he knew nothing about it.
poboy2
(2,078 posts)Maraya1969
(22,509 posts)After reading about Stormy Daniels I realize that she is a smart woman who loves her child. Why wouldn't she be credible? Her job does not mean she is a criminal or a bad person and yet people have been saying nasty things about her all over the place and I think it is unwarrented.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Let the subject be whether prostitution should be legal and see what happens. There are some that feel that any type of sex industry worker is unclean.
Interestingly, making prostition legal and regulating it likely reduced human trafficking, but to some that takes a back seat to their belief that prostitution ALWAYS degrades women.
Maraya1969
(22,509 posts)severe disabilities. I changed my mind about them right then.
mythology
(9,527 posts)And you are wrong, legalizing prostitution in fact increased trafficking.
Countries with legalized prostitution are associated with higher human trafficking inflows than countries where prostitution is prohibited. The scale effect of legalizing prostitution, i.e. expansion of the market, outweighs the substitution effect, where legal sex workers are favored over illegal workers. On average, countries with legalized prostitution report a greater incidence of human trafficking inflows.
The effect of legal prostitution on human trafficking inflows is stronger in high-income countries than middle-income countries. Because trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation requires that clients in a potential destination country have sufficient purchasing power, domestic supply acts as a constraint.
https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/
The argument that legalizing prostitution makes it safer for women just hasnt been borne out in countries implementing full legalization. In fact, legalization has spurred traffickers to recruit children and marginalized women to meet demand. Amsterdam, long touted as the model, recently started recognizing rates of trafficking into the country have increased and is beginning to address the enormous hub of trafficking and exploitation that it's created.
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/19/is-legalized-prostitution-safer/legalizing-prostitution-leads-to-more-trafficking
Legalizing prostitution is a bad idea and that is proven by the data.
Xolodno
(6,410 posts)I can yank a bunch of studies that state that it does.
And the reality is, they are both right and wrong. Where it fails, places like Brazil are brought up as an example. Where it succeeds, the Netherlands or some counties in Nevada are brought up.
Yes, they both note correlation coefficients, but you can draw a statistical correlation with the divorces in Maine and Margarine consumption.
The false premise is that legalized prostitution increases or decreases sex trafficking. The reality is, its completely unrelated. Sex trafficking is often the result of economics, culture, society, etc. In other words, legal or illegal prostitution has nothing to do with sex trafficking.
Places with hard regulation will not see much sex trafficking in the industry....but the trafficking still exists. Likewise, places with lax regulation will only exploit the legal loop holes...and as such, shows a higher level of trafficking.
https://www.endslaverynow.org/blog/articles/faq-will-legalizing-or-decriminalizing-prostitution-decrease-sex-trafficking
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The poster ignored the key condition that I set and went out and pulled information where prostitution was made legal I a Wild West type environment. It should be rather obvious that if anything is made legal without regulation, criminal elements will take advantage of lax rules, goes with Pot, liquor, prostitution, cigarettes, anything that is currently illegal or regulated.
Legalized prostitution with law enforcement and health system safeguards built in should do the following:
1. Make it possible for a trafficked person to get police help without fear of arrest.
2. Insure that sexual workers get regular health checkups as a condition for them continuing to work. Health exam access should be made inexpensive and easily accessed.
3. Allow cities to set aside designated areas and police those areas. Anyone caught elsewhere should face arrest.
Xolodno
(6,410 posts)However, sex trafficking will still continue. There will always be a black market for it.
My point is, legalized prostitution has no significant effect on it. Not while economics, culture, society, etc. play a huge factor.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)But I would think anything that will allow some distinction between a person being trafficked and one working of free will will help. Now, both are treated as criminals and neither can seek help. If cops can focus heavily on pimps that enslave trafficked people while not arresting the trafficked people, that has to make a meaningful difference, IMO. But, again I don't know much more than our current laws are messed up and appear counter productive.
Xolodno
(6,410 posts)But regulation still breeds those who want to skirt it. For example, why is moonshine still produced in backwoods and relativity unsafe? Yet people still buy it. Cheap swill is readily available in 1.5 liter plastic bottles on the bottom shelf of the liquor area....and yet, people, both poor and wealthy...go for the slightly more expensive backwoods, take your life in your hands swill.
Likewise, there will always be a sicko segment of the population that doesn't want legal sex under regulation. They will still want to use no protection, abuse the women, have house visits and kidnap them for awhile, don't pay, watch two prostitutes pee on each other, etc. I think you catch my drift. So sex trafficking will continue. How do you stop it? Hell if I know, but I guarantee you, there isn't a single solution, which many look for.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)WhiteTara
(29,732 posts)and 2nd class.
Maraya1969
(22,509 posts)WhiteTara
(29,732 posts)mnhtnbb
(31,415 posts)by the guys with big dick envy and for some reason they all think that's all any woman wants.
Stuart G
(38,458 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)But certainly the President of the United States should be.
I dont see the fact that shes a porn star should make any difference as far as believing her. Now, if shes been known to lie in the past then that takes away her credibility.
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)Just because you do porn doesnt mean you arent a trustworthy person.
I never understood the disdain the vast majority of people have for the workers of the sex industry. Its a service like any other and the workers are just st as much of a human being as anyone else.
So long as they are involved in the work on their own free will, treated with the same respect as everyone else, and compensated fairly for their labor, I dont see any issue.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)A stereotype is believed. Most people are unaware of doing this which is why its important to question it.
In Stormys case I think shes been incredibly brave. Im pretty sure I wouldnt do it. Not against so much power! You cant be more powerful than being the President of the US!
CaptainTruth
(6,616 posts)The premier industry publication is AVN (Adult Video News).
The industry awards ceremony is the AVA (Adult Video Awards).
Notice a pattern? It's adult video. IMHO "porn" implies a negative value judgement that is no longer appropriate in the modern age of 2018.
Think of all the negative derogatory terms (slurs/insults) that have been used over the years for immigrants, or women, or African-Americans. Let's stop doing that. Let's be better than that.
Maraya1969
(22,509 posts)Wawannabe
(5,689 posts)You really nailed it!
So unbelievably true!
BobTheSubgenius
(11,578 posts)It's also somewhat comical, in a grim, gallows-humour kinda way. But when you stop for a moment and put it in context, especially historically, it is mindnumbing and vast.
How have we come to THIS???
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)The business certainly has its problems, but blaming the actors is a bit fatuous.
I wish the inversion to which you refer was indicative of more American open-mindedness, but your point is that we have a president who pretends to be too good to associate with such people, and has no credibility himself.