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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOne of two things is true in regard to Joy Reid
One, she has been framed by hackers. Two, she posted homophobic garbage as recently as 12 years ago and lied about it as recently as this week. If one is true, then clearly Joy Reid has nothing to apologize for. If two is true, forget about the words she wrote, the fact she is out and out lying is a huge problem. A journalist lives on his or her credibility and she would have none. I hope her story is accurate, and it might be, but honestly it is a bit hard to swallow. On her side is the apparent lack of comments on these newly found posts which does strike one as bizarre. Against her is that not one but two different archives with no apparent axes to grind stated publicly that the old posts were saved back in 2006. Also against her is the fact that she isn't saying exactly which posts have been hacked and which haven't. I am no tech expert.
If she hasn't been hacked and is out and out lying that is a major problem. The posts are also a major problem. Let's be real this isn't opposing marriage equality. This is out and out hatred of gays that was posted. Would we accept this kind of bigotry about any other group? I hope Joy is telling the truth. If she isn't, she needs to be gone, yesterday.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)Evidence please or innocent until proven guilty. That is our standard by which all of us expect to be judged.
Thank you.
Since you insisted I do expect you to read and comment.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/04/the-evidence-is-not-with-joy-reid/558935/
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)dsc
(52,172 posts)honestly that is pretty damning that she has blocked the ability to look at those posts. No I don't think the wayback people are liars. No I don't think the library of congress are liars. The fact is the evidence looks bad. And the part we can't see is because of actions she has taken.
Its not possible to view the Internet Archives public stash of Reid blog posts because Reids team recently inserted code into the site that prevents the Internet Archive from indexing it.
TheSmarterDog
(794 posts)You're making shit up. Literally.
This whole thing stinks. People pushing the "Joy Reid is evil" story are being played. And the players are the ones who brought us The Donald Trump Show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=ioBhGmfYDKo
dsc
(52,172 posts)I literally cut and pasted my last paragraph from them. DO NOT CALL ME A LIAR.
TheSmarterDog
(794 posts)If you don't want to be called a liar, then maybe you shouldn't lie.
dsc
(52,172 posts)from the mother fucking article I posted.
Its not possible to view the Internet Archives public stash of Reid blog posts because Reids team recently inserted code into the site that prevents the Internet Archive from indexing it. It is the 9th paragraph. It is right there in mother fucking black and white. DO NOT CALL ME A LIAR. AGAIN, IT IS DIRECTLY FROM THE TEXT. I COPIED IT AND PASTED IT AND DIDN'T ADD OR SUBTRACT A SINGLE MOTHER FUCKING WORD.
TheSmarterDog
(794 posts)And nothing in the Atlantic article even hints that this is malicious. Try again.
dsc
(52,172 posts)what you accused me of lying about was the fact that she has made it so we can't look at them any more and the Atlantic says exactly that. Here is the paragraph again.
Its not possible to view the Internet Archives public stash of Reid blog posts because Reids team recently inserted code into the site that prevents the Internet Archive from indexing it.
and here is the line from my post where I clearly say that there were no responses.
On her side is the apparent lack of comments on these newly found posts which does strike one as bizarre.
DO NOT CALL ME A LIAR.
TheSmarterDog
(794 posts)You're implying that Reid is being malicious, when there's no evidence of that & even the Atlantic doesn't imply that. Either you're spreading that falsehood intentionally, or you're not.
Maybe you should just delete that post with the lie in it, then?
dsc
(52,172 posts)the Atlantic says exactly what I said it said. She had code inserted in and that is the only reason we can't read the posts on the wayback machine.
TheSmarterDog
(794 posts)And it didn't come from the Atlantic article.
Try again.
edit:
And I see the original post with the lie included has been removed. And not by you.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)I'm sure you didn't mean to leave that part out
dsc
(52,172 posts)and I don't see their evidence either.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)dsc
(52,172 posts)you didn't say they asked for the post to be removed, you said they had proof it had been tampered with and they refused to remove it. Those are two rather different things.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)dsc
(52,172 posts)of the article linked in my OP that you apparently couldn't be bothered to read.
The posts had been dug up on the Internet Archives Wayback Machine, which maintains copies of many pages on the web. When Reid said shed been hacked, many jumped to the conclusion that it was the Wayback Machine that had been hacked. On its blog, the Internet Archive said that Reids lawyers had contacted them about a possible hack, but that they had no indication that one had occurred.
This past December, Reids lawyers contacted us, asking to have archives of the blog (blog.reidreport.com) taken down, stating that fraudulent posts were inserted into legitimate content in our archives of the blog, they wrote. Her attorneys stated that they didnt know if the alleged insertion happened on the original site or with our archives (the point at which the manipulation is to have occurred, according to Reid, is still unclear to us).
On review, the Internet Archive found nothing to indicate tampering or hacking of the Wayback Machine versions.
That is them claiming to have reviewed her evidence and found it lacking. Exactly and precisely what I said.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)Her experts had evidence from HER blog that the post were not her's
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)They are insensitive but Joy is not anti gay. To paint her as such is disingenuous.
I want to see evidence that she is homophobic if you can produce it.
She is too important to us today. Anyone on the left who is as effective as she is will be attacked and some of us will willingly shoot ourselves in the back.
Let's stop this character assassination of our effective leaders.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)dsc
(52,172 posts)are you serious?
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)... is there a new set?
Regards
dsc
(52,172 posts)and you apparently couldn't be bothered to read.
The new round of posts contain a lot of cliche gay jokes about Charlie Crist and others, concerns that adult gay men tend to be attracted to very young, post-pubescent types, bringing them into the lifestyle, and commentary like part of the intrinsic nature of straightness is that the idea of homosexual sex is ... well ... gross ... even if you think that gay people are perfectly lovely individuals.
emphasis mine.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)... part of it and saying she's saying this.
You're leaving out some salient information in your post man
musette_sf
(10,209 posts)wonder why?
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)... even what was hacked in the blog.
This is some screwed up stuff
musette_sf
(10,209 posts)mountain grammy
(26,666 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)and have to ask just why is she or what she says of any importance? I understand that she has a cable infotainment news show of some sort, but there are numerous talking heads on many of the "we need to fill the 24/7 airtime with something, so we repeatedly talk a lot about what might or could be."
I can not fathom why any of them garner any interest.
peabody
(445 posts)who isn't afraid of strongly pushing back against the right WHILE THEY ARE BEING INTERVIEWED. She argues with facts quite well and she's a strong liberal. Those of us who seen her in action appreciate her strength; we can use more journalists like her.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)so I can't say as I have seen her and suspect that I will likely not.
peabody
(445 posts)Watch this take down of a Republican spewing trash about Uranium One. I have to deal with the same talking points from people around me sometimes and Joy arms me with the facts that I can use to shut them down.
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MaryMagdaline
(6,859 posts)She doesn't get pushed around, doesn't get talked over. I am proud of her. I expect most women are. She is a liberal weapon. We don't want to lose her.
I suspect this is payback for Laura Ingram.