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Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 06:05 PM Apr 2018

Subway Will Close Over 500 U.S. Stores This Year

https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/restaurantsandnews/subway-will-close-over-500-us-stores-this-year/ar-AAwkUki

With its commitment to customizability and the catchy $5 footlong jingle, it’s no wonder Subway is the most ubiquitous food chain in the world. In fact, its nearly 26,000 nationwide locations even top Mickey D’s by more than 10,000.

But it might be time to make one last mad dash to your neighborhood sandwich shop. Due to recent underperformance in sales compared to other fast food giants, Subway recently announced that it will be closing 500 U.S.stores this year. “We want to be sure that we have the best location. We focused in the past on restaurant count. We’re focused now on strengthening market share,” the company’s CEO, Suzanne Greco, told Bloomberg.

In the past, Subway took pride in its overpowering amount of national and international franchises. Many of the restaurants are small and simple, featuring only the tools and food necessary to slap together a sandwich. But the company’s competition comes in many forms. Supermarkets and gas stations offering grab-and-go sandwiches are on the rise. Plus, restaurants like McDonald’s are rolling out new menu items and touch-screen ordering tools. In response, Subway is leaning on its loyalty program, which offers discounts, specials, and freebies for U.S. and Canadian diners.

Along with upgrading their own technology (touch-screen ordering is now available in select stores), Subway executives decided to rethink their approach in terms of the number of storefronts. “Store count isn’t everything. It’s about growing the business,” Greco explained, adding that the real opportunity for expansion is abroad. As the U.S. stores close, Subway aims to shift its focus to its global markets. It’s planning to open a thousand new locations beyond North America and focus on locations in the U.K., Germany, South Korea, India, China, and Mexico.
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Subway Will Close Over 500 U.S. Stores This Year (Original Post) Sherman A1 Apr 2018 OP
Pocketing all that money in tax cuts. Who needs all those locations now? Thrill Apr 2018 #1
Yep, now that they have their money they will BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #2
We don't need no stinkin jobs..... Crutchez_CuiBono Apr 2018 #5
A poorly thought out tax cut isn't enough to keep that many stores open mythology Apr 2018 #14
Exactly A HERETIC I AM Apr 2018 #21
I get the need to attack the foolish tax cuts Blue_Adept Apr 2018 #66
Honest Subway Slogan: RockRaven Apr 2018 #3
I mean... romanic Apr 2018 #4
I haven't gone to a subway in a long time. Raine1967 Apr 2018 #6
Wawa is AMAZING crazycatlady Apr 2018 #40
We got a Jersey Mike's here Freddie Apr 2018 #57
Bummer. I had lunch at Subway today DesertRat Apr 2018 #7
People have more sandwich options than before NightWatcher Apr 2018 #8
Where I live... MountCleaners Apr 2018 #18
No surprise, Subway doesn't have the Jumbo Breakfast Roll.... OnDoutside Apr 2018 #9
I have been to a Subway twice, madaboutharry Apr 2018 #10
I'm kind of like Fletch in his love of sandwiches TlalocW Apr 2018 #11
Pisses me off about Jimmy John's MountCleaners Apr 2018 #19
A lot of Subway's have avocado TlalocW Apr 2018 #46
I don't have a Quiznos locally, live in a small city. Blue_true Apr 2018 #22
Every now and then I can still recall the taste of a dish I had in Mexico TlalocW Apr 2018 #47
Amazing isn't it. Once you eat an exceptional dish, you sort of hope to have it again somewhere. n Blue_true Apr 2018 #50
All the Quiznos around here closed Freddie Apr 2018 #58
Publix is the best place for subs in my area. Scurrilous Apr 2018 #12
Publix is where I usually get mine. lpbk2713 Apr 2018 #15
Me too! Scurrilous Apr 2018 #16
The best sub place in my area is a Cuban sandwich place that has an Irish name. Blue_true Apr 2018 #23
My backup spot is a Cuban bakery near my house. Scurrilous Apr 2018 #48
I miss the subs at Publix! The Genealogist Apr 2018 #42
I loved Publix subs ...lived in Georgia...and the Cubans too...steak and cheese...yum. Now I am Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #53
I wish we had Publix in the north east kcr Apr 2018 #68
Subway's subs & chow are ok. More concerning is how many JOBS will be lost? appalachiablue Apr 2018 #13
It'll always be hard to ask for a "sub" in a "hoagie" city! BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #17
Trully amazing what the sub is called in different regions. Blue_true Apr 2018 #29
Around here (Philly) Freddie Apr 2018 #59
Yup. I graduated from UMASS BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #62
if they want to improve, they should try Takket Apr 2018 #20
I've never had hard bread at Subway....location location location! Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #25
Blame that one on Vani Hari jmowreader Apr 2018 #31
lOl.. Cha Apr 2018 #65
I thought it was franchises? Subway is OK. I snag the 30% back on groupon.. Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #24
Fake food kimbutgar Apr 2018 #26
This has been rumored for months. Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2018 #27
I have a friend that owns a place a cut above fast food. Blue_true Apr 2018 #33
I dont like subway Proud liberal 80 Apr 2018 #28
Same here. Slimy roast beef aint my thing. J Mikes has fresh stuff, although more expensive. Hoyt Apr 2018 #34
Another J-Mikes fan here! Worth a couple extra dollars to me for what you get ... mr_lebowski Apr 2018 #55
I love Jersey Mike's kcr Apr 2018 #69
"the catchy $5 footlong jingle" left-of-center2012 Apr 2018 #30
$5 dollar subs and 2 subs for the price of one only works if people buy extras like chips and drinks Blue_true Apr 2018 #37
I buy a footlong meatball ... left-of-center2012 Apr 2018 #51
So how does this store shutdown work? True Dough Apr 2018 #32
They may try to move the franchisee, if the franchisee is not deep in the red, Blue_true Apr 2018 #41
Yes, I have heard the same about various franchises True Dough Apr 2018 #44
They typically got in early or had adequate assets to weather growing the store. Blue_true Apr 2018 #49
I thought they were franchise stores liberal N proud Apr 2018 #35
The franchise contract likely has performance clauses in it that favor Subway. Blue_true Apr 2018 #43
Subway is... Bland and boring, IMO. IluvPitties Apr 2018 #36
It's very processed IMO. Stopped eating there long ago mvd Apr 2018 #38
I hate this news for the lost jobs. nt Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #39
There's a Subway down the street from me that seems to hardly ever have customers The Genealogist Apr 2018 #45
Try getting gluten free rolls...Jersey Mike has them now. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #52
What I don't get are Dunkin Donuts, there are at least five of them within a mile radius of me Snake Plissken Apr 2018 #54
Quality of the food has gotten worse gyroscope Apr 2018 #56
Subway near me is usually empty Freddie Apr 2018 #60
I think they were doing well with the Jared Ads and they no longer have that JI7 Apr 2018 #61
Give me DAngelos any day RhodeIslandOne Apr 2018 #63
Wow, 10,000 more than mickeyD's.. that's saying a lot! Cha Apr 2018 #64
The main competition of many Subways are other Subways. Kaleva Apr 2018 #67

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
2. Yep, now that they have their money they will
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 06:11 PM
Apr 2018

take their company overseas. Seems like it is a typical business maneuver.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
5. We don't need no stinkin jobs.....
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 06:16 PM
Apr 2018

tax cuts....working like a charm for the populace who paid for them.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
14. A poorly thought out tax cut isn't enough to keep that many stores open
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 08:43 PM
Apr 2018

They have 10,000 more than McDonald's. It's not sustainable given the way things are going. There is more competition among the step above base level fast food options. Chipotle, other sub chains, etc.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
66. I get the need to attack the foolish tax cuts
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 06:07 AM
Apr 2018

But you really have to think and realize that this does make business sense. The dynamics of many areas change and stores that once performed well simply don't anymore, sometimes because of too much increased competition or you have an area where there's a drop off in the number of people in the area. It makes zero sense to keep open a store that's just losing money. I'd even hazard a guess that a good percentage of these 500 will re-open elsewhere in the same period in better locations.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
4. I mean...
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 06:14 PM
Apr 2018

do we really need a Subway within 500 feet of each other (such as the case in my neighborhood)? They're more numerous than Mcdonalds and 711 combined.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
6. I haven't gone to a subway in a long time.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 06:17 PM
Apr 2018

We have local places that make a sun/Hero/hoagie even better for slightly more.

and when we travel from VA to NY I seek out WaWa. Wawa had the touch screen a while ago. They have amazing bread.

When I lived in Atlanta (about 10 years ago) I preferred Jersey Mike's over Subway.

I love a good Italian sub/hero/hoagie -- and I have not loved subway for a while.

Freddie

(9,259 posts)
57. We got a Jersey Mike's here
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 01:40 AM
Apr 2018

1000x better than Subway! Yes a little more $ but the quality of ingredients and ease of ordering/paying via app is more than worth it. Haven't been to Subway since Jersey Mike's opened.

MountCleaners

(1,148 posts)
18. Where I live...
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:05 PM
Apr 2018

In Chicago, there are other sub sandwich chains - local chains - that are comparable or even better. So why bother?

madaboutharry

(40,204 posts)
10. I have been to a Subway twice,
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 07:00 PM
Apr 2018

both times because the people I was with wanted to eat there. I found the whole concept kind of gross and didn't think the prep area was kept all that clean. The whole experience was unappetizing.

TlalocW

(15,380 posts)
11. I'm kind of like Fletch in his love of sandwiches
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 07:25 PM
Apr 2018

Subway, Planet Sub, Firehouse Subs (my fave), no more Jimmy John's (owner's a conservative asshole), Quiznos (we've got a pepper bar!), Lenny's, local shops... love 'em all.

Subway is a favorite because you could be relatively low-calories and get a ton of vegetables on your sandwich. The other places kind of hide what they've got.

MountCleaners

(1,148 posts)
19. Pisses me off about Jimmy John's
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:06 PM
Apr 2018

They offer avocado, my favorite ingredient.

Been making my lunch subs at home lately.

TlalocW

(15,380 posts)
46. A lot of Subway's have avocado
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:33 PM
Apr 2018

Oh, also Pita Pit. Probably not a lot around, but hopefully that will change. That's sandwich-y enough for me, and they have avocado/guacamole and hummus.

TlalocW

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
22. I don't have a Quiznos locally, live in a small city.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:41 PM
Apr 2018

The best subs are a few local Italian theme shops and one really good Cuban sandwich place. Other than hot Cuban sandwiches from the Cuban sandwich shop, the best sub that I ever remember eating, I got at a Quiznos in the Denver airport. Amazing how people remember the simplest things that standout.

TlalocW

(15,380 posts)
47. Every now and then I can still recall the taste of a dish I had in Mexico
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:36 PM
Apr 2018

Chiles en Nogada - a meat-stuffed chile smothered in a walnut cream sauce. I've had it twice in America - once my niece, who's a very good cook tried to make it and once at a Mexican restaurant. Unfortunately, neither matched what I had in Mexico over 20 years ago.

TlalocW

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
50. Amazing isn't it. Once you eat an exceptional dish, you sort of hope to have it again somewhere. n
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:43 PM
Apr 2018

Freddie

(9,259 posts)
58. All the Quiznos around here closed
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 01:45 AM
Apr 2018

Something shady about the local franchise bosses I heard. The place near here didn't last long.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
23. The best sub place in my area is a Cuban sandwich place that has an Irish name.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:46 PM
Apr 2018

Go figure. The owner is half Irish-Cuban. There is a good chicken place that serve a good grilled chicken sandwich. Subway and Publix are used only in a pinch for a sandwich, although Publix is good for almost anything else.

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
48. My backup spot is a Cuban bakery near my house.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:39 PM
Apr 2018

Huge Medianoche's and Cuban Sandwiches for under 5 bucks.

My family is Irish American and my sister married a Cuban and my brother and myself both married Nicaraguans. It's a Catholic (and Miami) thing I think...

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
42. I miss the subs at Publix!
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:28 PM
Apr 2018

I moved back to Missouri 9 years ago from Florida and still miss getting a yummy sub when I'd go get groceries.

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
53. I loved Publix subs ...lived in Georgia...and the Cubans too...steak and cheese...yum. Now I am
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:59 PM
Apr 2018

gluten free (celiac) and when I was in South Carolina at the lake, that publix had gluten free hoagie rolls and even cakes.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
29. Trully amazing what the sub is called in different regions.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:56 PM
Apr 2018

When I first went to Boston years back, I stepped out for a bite to eat and saw a picture that looked like a good sub and went in and ordered a sub, the people behind the counter looked at me like I had just stepped in from another planet. Flustered, I kept pointing at a picture on the order wall and kept saying that I wanted that sub with specific ingredients, the counter people still had no freaking idea of what I was asking for, I might as well have been speaking French. Finally a woman standing in the line could no longer contain herself and bust out laughing and said, "he wants a grinder", the people behind the counter were like "ohhhh!". I recounted the experience to the business people that I met the next morning and after laughing, they explained the score to me.

Freddie

(9,259 posts)
59. Around here (Philly)
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 01:49 AM
Apr 2018

We are, of course, the origin of the hoagie. A "grinder" here is a baked hoagie.

BumRushDaShow

(128,815 posts)
62. Yup. I graduated from UMASS
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 05:37 AM
Apr 2018

and while there for the 4 years was introduced to the "grinder" (although as Freddie noted, the "grinder" was toasted in the oven and I know Subway actually does that with their "subs" ), an "elastic" (rubber band), and a "bubbler" (water fountain/cooler).

Takket

(21,555 posts)
20. if they want to improve, they should try
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:11 PM
Apr 2018

baking bread that isn't so hard it shatters like glass when you bang it on the counter.

this pretty much put me off subway.

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
31. Blame that one on Vani Hari
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:00 PM
Apr 2018

The bread they made before Vani decided to bully Subway with that "yoga mat bread" shit was much better.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
24. I thought it was franchises? Subway is OK. I snag the 30% back on groupon..
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:47 PM
Apr 2018

so it's next to nothing for a veggie foot long which lasts for both lunch and dinner. I used to go a lot more but now only go once in awhile.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
27. This has been rumored for months.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:54 PM
Apr 2018

1) They are still suffering brand damage from Jared
2) Franchisees complain that they are getting killed on the $5 Foot long
3) Franchisees have to locally source fresh veggies, and there is a lot of cost variability.

A lot of Subway franchises are in very small, rural towns and many are not profitable. This 500 store closure is likely not the end.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
33. I have a friend that owns a place a cut above fast food.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:07 PM
Apr 2018

Though she is an experienced restaurant owner, the environment is pretty savage for profit, even in a large city. There is an over abundance of restaurants and some of the better grocery stores are adding grab and go delis. For her, she look for loyal customers that are not cheap, always asking for discounts or bargains, because if she gives 10-15% off all day, her profit is gone and she is in the red. She also wants customers that order fast, enjoy the food and move on, good turnover from paying customers helps her business.

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
28. I dont like subway
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:54 PM
Apr 2018

Food just doesn’t taste fresh to me. My favorite sub spot is Jersey Mike’s. I also like the subs you can get at grocery store delis.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
55. Another J-Mikes fan here! Worth a couple extra dollars to me for what you get ...
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:01 PM
Apr 2018

I absolutely love their wheat bread, love the fresh-sliced meats (not wrapped in plastic like friggin subway) and cheese done just for your sammie, and then the cherry-pepper relish is DELISH. Toppings are always super fresh ... I esp. like when I get me $2 off coupon then it's like subway price.

Plus they have a grill for cheese steaks and reubens ...

The ONE thing I have to moan about ... at least where I'm at, the have banana peppers instead of real pepperoncini. That friggin' bums me out ... banana peppers are garbage.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
30. "the catchy $5 footlong jingle"
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:59 PM
Apr 2018

Subway cut the sub to $5 to increase sales some time back, but
over the past year a lot of franchise owners have said they can't make a profit with the $5 sub.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
37. $5 dollar subs and 2 subs for the price of one only works if people buy extras like chips and drinks
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:16 PM
Apr 2018

If the place get people that order the $5 subs or 2 for the price of one, but order no extras on the sub or things like chips, but do order a fountain drink and refill several times, the restaurant lose on the deal. I know one owner that tries to avoid such deals like the plague, but if the chains around are offering losing deals, the situation becomes dicey, what she hopes for are people that want quality over cheap and do things like order chips and packaged drinks, or just single fill at the fountain machines, those are by far the best customers for her.

True Dough

(17,301 posts)
32. So how does this store shutdown work?
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:01 PM
Apr 2018

They're franchised, right? Subway picks the 500-plus least desirable or underperforming locations and gives notice that they have to shut down.

Let's say you're the franchise owner. You'd paid the fee for your right to open the store. What happens when Subway closes you down? Do they refund you your costs?

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
41. They may try to move the franchisee, if the franchisee is not deep in the red,
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:23 PM
Apr 2018

(i.e., has assets left to run the store). I was in a Subway once and overheard the person who appeared to be from the owning family talking to a potential store manager. The family guy seemed to indicate that his family owner three or four franchise branches. People that are lucky enough to own several performing franchises are the lucky ones, the single franchise people typically get the worst stores because they are new.

True Dough

(17,301 posts)
44. Yes, I have heard the same about various franchises
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:31 PM
Apr 2018

Those who are truly doing well own multiple locations, often three or more.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
49. They typically got in early or had adequate assets to weather growing the store.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:41 PM
Apr 2018

Once a new place opens up, those franchisees get to own it, if the place should be high volume. New, single owner franchisees get stuck with weaker stores.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
43. The franchise contract likely has performance clauses in it that favor Subway.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:28 PM
Apr 2018

Basically, yes, Subway can likely close the store and leave the owner holding the bag for the least years remaining for the store location and any debt. Subway can afford more lawyers that some franchisee that is tapped out, at that point the clauses in the franchise contract that the franchisee had to accept to get the franchise becomes a weight around the franchisee's neck.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
45. There's a Subway down the street from me that seems to hardly ever have customers
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:31 PM
Apr 2018

I have yet to figure out why they put it in where they did. It is in a little, nondescript shopping center on a busy road a couple of blocks from any major intersection. It is near a college, but you'd have to fight some serious traffic to get to it from there. I go past it several times a week, and I have never seen more than two cars there. I'd guess this one might be on the chopping block.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
54. What I don't get are Dunkin Donuts, there are at least five of them within a mile radius of me
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:59 PM
Apr 2018

and another three I can think of within a two mile radius of me.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
56. Quality of the food has gotten worse
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:12 PM
Apr 2018

I don't like that there is no option to buy a sandwich without having to pick every ingredient yourself. even the type of bread has to be picked. its annoying.

they would often tell me they were out of the ingredient (s) I wanted. I got tired of it and stopped going.


Freddie

(9,259 posts)
60. Subway near me is usually empty
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 01:59 AM
Apr 2018

Or one or 2 customers even at dinner time. Just too much competition (my town is Fast Food & Chain Restaurant Mecca) and lousy food besides. It's been there for 20 years or more. Hope they stay.

JI7

(89,246 posts)
61. I think they were doing well with the Jared Ads and they no longer have that
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 02:03 AM
Apr 2018

without the Jared crap they might not have done as well as they did in previous years.

Cha

(297,126 posts)
64. Wow, 10,000 more than mickeyD's.. that's saying a lot!
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 05:53 AM
Apr 2018

I think they can afford to shutdown 5000. Sorry about those who will lose their jobs, though

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