Another take re: Joy Reid

[CincyDem]

Interesting perspective from Joan Walsh regarding her long standing professional connection with Joy Reid. Aside from Walsh's personal commentary having no recollections of any content like this, two points that jumped out at me:

1) The Reid Report was linked through Salon and at no point did anyone question the content in real time. The kind of stuff being attributed to her would have raised a red flag with someone somewhere but not a peep of criticism when she was a nobody.

2) The "offending" posts have no comments - kind of weird for something like this. That nobody snarked at her in the moment really makes me wonder if there ever was a moment.

Link to tweet

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I don't know if the archive pages are real but this feels a little reverse comey...I agree this chit is pretty wicked but really...it took 10 years for someone to notice this and nobody made the slightest comment about it until now. No contemporaneous commentary anywhere ? Not on her blog, or Salon's comment page...nowhere ???

Not buying it. This feels like a takedown attempt in progress and I'm glad that MSNBC didn't take the bait. We shouldn't either.

[LexVegas]

1. This is being pushed by Glen Greenwald, Russians and supporters of a failed non-Democrat.

[NCTraveler]

2. That's what I am seeing.

Really shady sources being thrown around. Then the go-to CNN article that doesn't dispute Reids claim.

I think patience is the way to go here. It's clearly coordinated but that doesn't mean it isn't the truth.

[JustAnotherGen]

9. It stinks to high heaven n/t

[NCTraveler]

12. I dont know what to think right now.

I’m very familiar with the sources that started this. It has a serious stench to it.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

33. I agree NC, patience is called for here... let's see how this pans out.

[NCTraveler]

40. I dont think it will take long on this one.

And the positions are clear.

At this point it’s not about the homophobic aspect to me. That timeframe has been covered and apologies have been accepted or not. Right now we have either a right wing hit job that appears to involve a certain level of coordination or Reid is lying about something that is already known about her around that time.

[BannonsLiver]

4. So was the Franken thing

Didn't keep you and many others from getting suckered.

[LexVegas]

6. Franken resigned.

[OnDoutside]

27. So the 38 Democratic Senators had zero effect ?

Please, I thought we were all grown ups here.

[Butterflylady]

41. I'm so tired of hearing of "he resigned"

as if that's a sign of being guilty. I'm also tired of hearing that he should of stayed and fought. Yes, I was hoping he would stay, but I also know what it's like to be in an environment and on a committee where you can feel the hostilities of your co-workers. When no one will work with you or even come to your defense. Franken was one of kind,
when it came to being a US Senator. He wasn't afraid to challenge Sessions and that was basically why the right went in for the kill. He became a threat so he had to be silenced. The atmosphere at the time was ripe for sexual harassment charges coming out daily against a myriad of men, so why not exploit that avenue to get rid of what the right saw as a danger. From there on it was a piece of cake for Stone and his cronies to get whoever to come out with trumped up charges. Pardon the pun. And how many came from " anonymous sources? And once he resigned, oh my, they mysteriously stopped. How convenient was that? So, do I believe the first 2 women that came out against him, a b s o l u t e l y not! Do I believe they were bribed in some way or promised a brighter financial future, I certainly do!

And now, evidently Joy Reid is becoming very popular, hell, I always watch both days shes on in the morning. She's got a great show. When someone is on that feels is misrepresenting the actual facts, she doesn't just sit there and let them rattle on, she challenges them. Something very few hosts on MSNBC do. So yes, I will support her to the very end. Sorry for the rant, but I just had to get off my chest, so to speak.

[yardwork]

52. Great rant. I agree that Franken was framed.

[Squinch]

5. That's enough for me to discount it.

[R B Garr]

7. Yup, thats why we would need an extensive apology tour

from that non-Democrat for a failure to address these attacks on our party and our country.

[Tarheel_Dem]

10. + a million!

[sheshe2]

13. +1

[comradebillyboy]

16. Exactly so...

[joshcryer]

21. Otherwise known as the neo-white nexus.

Of white millionaires.

[George II]

42. Some are "newly minted" millionaires.

[joshcryer]

47. Who have profited off of left-bashing.

[NastyRiffraff]

43. Glenn Greenwald ALONE raises all kinds of red flags

Anything he pushes is usually wrong. Very wrong. He hates Democrats. Joy's voice is strong and getting stronger, so he hates her too.

[Progressive dog]

50. It is.

[Bettie]

3. Those were the same reservations I had

about this story...someone would have said something by now and there would have been comments if she said those things.

[uponit7771]

8. K&R, 3. look at the post, I see ghosting around the text of the post ...looks like they were altered

[Kirk Lover]

11. I'm glad I'm not even giving this one moment of thought....seriously. nt

[Chakaconcarne]

14. which is precisely why we should never jump

to conclusions when something out of character is applied to an outspoken proponent of progressive issues....or really anyone for that matter.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

35. Yup, agree 100%. Indeed, Joy deserves the benefit of the doubt, unless & until we see clear evidence

to the contrary that she's not being honest about the hack. Nothing like a little due process... too bad Al Franken wasn't accorded the same right.

[peggysue2]

15. Good for Walsh!

The way we stop this sort of thing is pushing back immediately on the smears and disinformation.

We've seen this picture show before.

[Scurrilous]

17. Thanks!

K&R

[EffieBlack]

18. Interesting. Thanks.

[Amimnoch]

19. Ive been a follower of Joys

I’ve been a follower of Joy’s since 2016 on Twitter when I liked her coverage on AM Joy. I’d never seen or followed her blog, but I’ve seen and enjoyed MANY of her tweets over the last couple years. Most of the content I’ve seen from her on my twitter page has center around racial equality and challenges, but I have seen some about GLBT issues as well, and nothing I’ve ever seen her tweet sounds at all like the blog posts. It just doesn’t read like it was written by the same person.

I don’t know if it was hers. Maybe it was hers and she’s evolved, maybe it was a hack, maybe it was a really bad decision during a bad time in her life, but I do know the current Joy that I’ve followed for the last couple of years isn’t that person, and personally.. I’m giving a full pass.

[mountain grammy]

20. K&R

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I’m with Joy on this. Doesn’t pass the smell test ..right wing bullshit.

[HenryWallace]

22. This is a nothingburger; and I'm generally not a fan.

This is nothing new; she has dealt with it earlier.

Her response this time is strange and, in fact, is what has keep this story from going away.

[yardwork]

28. These are new allegations and the posts that have emerged are extreme.

This is not the same stuff she apologized for before, which I wholly forgive.

If she really posted the stuff she's accused of, then...wow. She's not who I thought she was. But there's a whole lot of suspicious stuff around this.

And if this was faked to discredit Joy, THAT would be a huge scandal that should totally obliterate any remaining remnants of Glenn Greenwald's and many others' credibility. And frankly, that's what it's looking like to me. Faked.

[HenryWallace]

45. Good god; so your going with conspiracy theory!

Let me get this straight; Bernie loving Russian bots simultaneously hacked into multiple internet archive sites not just the Wayback Machine (which has explicitly denied such tampering), but the multiple other sites which also confirm the original postings. All for the glory of mother Russia.

Then they mystically forced Ms. Reid to hire a quack of a “Cyber Guy, Former PSYOP guy” to quickly declare the hack possible. Hey, sounds legit, except multiple sources state that it would require time travel.

That’s what I’m looking for in a journalist: plausible deniability.

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No… Had she simply stated that I am sorry, my views (like the rest of the nation’s) have evolved and I will sincerely try to do better in the future…

.... then no one would be talking about this left punching, Comcast talking point spewing weekend host (who I agree with 90% of the time)!

[yardwork]

49. Well, I don't know that any of that happened. Do you?

Do you find it plausible that nobody noticed this stuff when she supposedly posted it?

[HenryWallace]

55. It's out there, just not on MSNBC (just like too many other things)

Look, by today's standards the posts are insensitive and juvenile...

But in 2006 she was a South Florida talk radio host just trying to get noticed.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

37. Why do you say her response this time is "strange"? What's strange about it?

[HenryWallace]

46. See post directly above.

The better question is exactly how has her reaction (and that of MSNBC, for that matter) not been strange.

[Vinca]

23. Very good points.

[yardwork]

24. Very good points. As a lesbian, I'm tracking this...

These are my preliminary thoughts as this unfolds:

1. If Joy acutually wrote those blog posts, why didn't people comment at the time, particularly on the post that accused gay people of being child molesters? Even 12 years ago that would have triggered a response.

2. No comments on her blog in response to those inflammatory posts? See above. Seems off, especially since there are lively comments on her other contemporaneous posts.

3. These newly discovered supposed posts of Joy's are more extreme than her comments about Charlie Crist, for which she has already apologized. (Many people, including many gay folk, make fun of Crist for possibly being in the closet. She apologized. Over.)

4. The timing of this is.... suggestive.

5. Glenn Greenwald is pushing this. I have zero respect for him. I don't trust him. His involvement automatically raises my suspicion. Same with Wikileaks.

[George II]

25. For those who aren't on twitter or can't access her, there is a long series of her tweets here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10538372

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. Joy is fighting the KGB, Rump and another well known non liberal bunch so expect

this to continue until she is fired.

If she is fired it might just light a match we cant put it and shouldnt.

Make no mistake, Joy is anti racism and anti RUMP so this is all by design. Oh and she has been very effectively and accurately anti a certain Senator.

[yardwork]

29. If those posts are proven to be fake, that will be a huge scandal.

It should obliterate the careers of anybody involved. They better be damn sure of their ground.

I'm gay and my wife is a person of color. I'm tracking this closely. I don't like my life being used as a political football.

[mcar]

30. Point 2 seals it for me

No comments?

[Cha]

32. Exactly, mcar

Link to tweet

[Cha]

31. Interesting point I found on the Joan Walsh thread, CincyDem..

Link to tweet

Thank you.

[NBachers]

34. So they are pulling a Franken on her.

[Thedemby]

36. WTH

The sheer genius of destroying one of your sharpest knives against the right. The irony of people who demand tolerance and forgiveness giving none themselves.

CHILDREN: Take an apology and put her on "probation". There are bigger fish for us to fry!!!

[marieo1]

38. minngal

Love Joy Reid and enjoy her perspective.

[Gothmog]

39. The lynching of Joy Ann Reid by the Bernie left

The attacks on Joy Reid by certain groups are sad https://medium.com/@investigator_21314/the-lynching-of-joy-ann-reid-by-the-bernie-left-c7de005a19fb

For almost a year now, a very vocal segment of Bernie Sanders supporters have harassed and stalked black activists, journalists and contributors on Twitter and other social media sites. Behind this campaign was the fact that a lot of black voters didn’t vote for Bernie, which was met with incredible anger by a part of the Bernie left.

Instead of analyzing why POC were critical of Bernie, or why Bernie refused to campaign among POC, they started to harass and intimidate black Twitter users.

The list of victims to this aggressive crowd of Bernie supporters is long by now: Joy Ann Reid, Donna Brazile, Jehmu Greene, Neera Tanden, Kamala Harris, Maxine Waters, Yamiche Alcindor, Zerlina Maxwell, and less known Twitter users: Angry Black Lady (Imani Gandy), T_FisherKing, Mr Dane/ Mr Weeks, Sir James, Ange_Amene, Bravenak and many, many more.

What these people have in common is that

A: they’re POC,

B: they’re at times very critical of Bernie Sanders.

This in itself is enough for ongoing extreme harassment, stalking, threats, intimidation and worse.

[yardwork]

51. I have definitely witnessed this behavior on DU.

[Mr. Ected]

44. This is why we can't have nice things

This is 2018 and we absolutely need the 2018 iteration of Joy Reid as a vociferous zealot for progressive policies.

[TheSmarterDog]

48. kick

[musette_sf]

53. K&R

[BobTheSubgenius]

54. I can't help holding some wishful thinking now.

I wish there was this kind of skeptical response when it was Al Franken in the barrel. Not to imply AT ALL that Joy doesn't deserve it...simply that AF did, too.