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OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 07:15 AM Apr 2018

Why Is America So Obsessed With Abortion? - Bustle

I've been contemplating the connection between our white supremacist society (always has been, nothing new) and the obsessive focus on abortion by right-wingers since the 60's. This piece speaks to this unholy alliance, and also goes into the obvious influence of sexism, American style, versus views on abortion in Europe over the centuries.


https://www.bustle.com/p/why-is-america-so-obsessed-with-abortion-66871/amp


It should be noted that in America, white women have historically had very different experiences with reproductive rights than women of color. While white women's reproductive lives were viewed as something to be regulated by laws or church decrees, women of color often had their reproductive lives controlled directly by the people involved in their oppression — for example, black female slaves who became pregnant were refused abortions by slave owner. Similarly, women of color have often had to fight for their right to become pregnant when they wish, in the face of state programs that forced them into unwanted sterilization and other road blocks to reproductive freedom.

And according to many historians, racist concerns about white supremacy fed much of the US's early anti-abortion culture. It might surprise you to know that, in the early part of America's history, abortion for white women was largely seen as a private matter between a woman and her church, rather than something the law must deal with. A history of American abortion laws points out that the colonies initially adopted the abortion rules from their home country — for example, in Portuguese colonies, abortion was illegal, while in English colonies abortions were legal for white women if performed prior to "quickening" (the point where the woman can feel the fetus begin to move). Professor Leslie Reagan, in her history of American abortion, has pointed out that the first laws against abortion were actually attempts to control poisoning, because herbal abortifacients which were commonly available and widely advertised in the 1800s were totally unregulated and often dangerous to the women who took them.

In the 19th century, many white American antiabortion activists thought the problem with abortion was less about violating laws or committing a Christian "sin," and more about trying to maintain high birth rates for white Americans. Historians Nicola Beisel and Tamara Kay have argued that the real hysteria over abortion in American history was about "Anglo-Saxon control of the state and dominance of society." They write:

"The arguments that physicians made to convince the public and politicians that abortion endangered society [in the nineteenth century] suggest that abortion politics in the mid-nineteenth century were part of an Anglo-Saxon racial project... While laws regulating abortion would ultimately affect all women, physicians argued that middle-class, Anglo-Saxon married women were those obtaining abortions, and that their use of abortion to curtail childbearing threatened the Anglo-Saxon race."
In other words, white women were viewed as the ones most likely to be having abortions — and to racist anti-abortion activists, that made white dominance of American society vulnerable. The white fear of "becoming a race minority" in comparison to the children of slaves and immigrants of non-white background was massive in white American culture in the 19th century, and fears about abortion fed straight into it. It was part of a landscape of anti-miscegenation laws and other legal restrictions designed to make sure that white Americans retained privilege and non-white people had less political and social power. Racist fixations on white birth rates appeared in Europe as well, but in America, it was particularly vicious: it's why Theodore Roosevelt famously declared that women of "good stock" who didn't have kids were "race criminals." Horatio R. Storer asked in 1868 whether the West would be filled with "aliens," and declared, "This is a question our women must answer; upon their loins depends the future destiny of the nation."


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Why Is America So Obsessed With Abortion? - Bustle (Original Post) OneGrassRoot Apr 2018 OP
It's not abortion which is the cherry on top of the proverbial sundae. no_hypocrisy Apr 2018 #1
Indeed. Patriarchy and white supremacy... OneGrassRoot Apr 2018 #2
True. In 1969 my gynecologist told me that I should seriously consider having more children tavernier Apr 2018 #3
wow... OneGrassRoot Apr 2018 #5
Did you leave?? Angry Dragon Apr 2018 #8
Yes! tavernier Apr 2018 #21
Yikes Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2018 #17
Thanks for this malaise Apr 2018 #4
... OneGrassRoot Apr 2018 #6
Right leaning people will not accept anyone having a different position democratisphere Apr 2018 #7
If we had the ERA Freddie Apr 2018 #9
Good question. n/t OneGrassRoot Apr 2018 #23
Social hierarchy Kurt V. Apr 2018 #10
I think the Christian Con-Turds are just.... wolfie001 Apr 2018 #11
Do as I say, not as I do askyagerz Apr 2018 #27
Our Puritan roots want women to be punished for sex out of marriage Cicada Apr 2018 #12
This is my take as well. 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2018 #15
Pro-life is a myth. keithbvadu2 Apr 2018 #13
There is also the "Holier than thou" component. TNNurse Apr 2018 #14
It's not. It's obsessed with disempowering women in every other way as well. n/t Orsino Apr 2018 #16
The anti-abortion movement grew exponentially as the feminism movement grew. Texin Apr 2018 #20
America is not obsessed with abortion Snake Plissken Apr 2018 #18
+1, "and for the most part the media still allows them to get away with it. " uponit7771 Apr 2018 #26
Definitely a white supremacy project. ancianita Apr 2018 #19
White women having abortions is why one of my kin is against it. Ilsa Apr 2018 #22
We thought the Christian Dominionists were a fringe sect... OneGrassRoot Apr 2018 #24
Yeah, very scary. This person Ilsa Apr 2018 #25

no_hypocrisy

(46,267 posts)
1. It's not abortion which is the cherry on top of the proverbial sundae.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 07:22 AM
Apr 2018

It's birth control and reproductive freedom which translates into female empowerment and equality in society. Without it, women are more or less forced to stay at home due to the male dominance which removed abortion and birth control in the first place. Remember that many Christian sects don't allow women to speak in their churches and they certainly don't approve of them (or other women) speaking outside of church, esp. the ones smarter than them. The sad part is these churches have convinced these women to attack the rights of other women -- in God's name of course.

If abortion were ever federally criminalized, back-room abortions would return and birth control would be the next Big Thing.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
2. Indeed. Patriarchy and white supremacy...
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 07:24 AM
Apr 2018

are inextricably intertwined and play out in the abortion "debate."

tavernier

(12,410 posts)
3. True. In 1969 my gynecologist told me that I should seriously consider having more children
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 07:27 AM
Apr 2018

because the wrong people were having babies.

tavernier

(12,410 posts)
21. Yes!
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:48 AM
Apr 2018

He was a very nice man and a good doctor, and I’m sure never considered himself a racist. I imagine that was true on a pretty broad scale.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
7. Right leaning people will not accept anyone having a different position
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 07:52 AM
Apr 2018

or view than their own and will go to extremes to force others to comply with their position on things like abortion.

Freddie

(9,275 posts)
9. If we had the ERA
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 08:12 AM
Apr 2018

Would they still be able to pass laws regulating our bodies, since men's bodies are not regulated by legislation?

wolfie001

(2,293 posts)
11. I think the Christian Con-Turds are just....
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 08:43 AM
Apr 2018

are just a bunch of fucking socicopaths. But that's just one man's opinion. Cheers

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
12. Our Puritan roots want women to be punished for sex out of marriage
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 08:49 AM
Apr 2018

Abortion permits women to have sex and get away with it. America more than most countries has viewed sex for fun as immoral. The burden of a child is seen as a way to punish those immoral women.

I think that is a primary reason that so many Americans oppose abortion.

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,085 posts)
15. This is my take as well.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:18 AM
Apr 2018

First and foremost, anti-choicers are about punishing women for having nonprocreational sex.

keithbvadu2

(37,008 posts)
13. Pro-life is a myth.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 08:55 AM
Apr 2018

Pro-life is a myth.

The supposed pro-lifers cared not when the state of Texas (republican gov) deliberately killed living baby Sun Hudson against the mother's wishes because he was an inconvenience to the state.

It is not a matter of life to the supposed pro-lifers.

It is a matter of control.

TNNurse

(6,931 posts)
14. There is also the "Holier than thou" component.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:10 AM
Apr 2018

They believe it sets them above the rest of us. They think the death penalty is their holy right.

Texin

(2,600 posts)
20. The anti-abortion movement grew exponentially as the feminism movement grew.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:45 AM
Apr 2018

And my belief is that this isn't about religion at all. As other have stated, it's about tamping out womens' rights period. Males have always tried to treat women as chattel. (I'm not saying all males, but a significant proportion of them). The collapse of the manufacturing sector in the U.S. in the '90s, which left large swaths of the U.S. without the relatively high-paying jobs uneducated men depended on exacerbated the anti-feminism movement together with more and more fervent attacks on abortion. This is about more than just control of women, it's about eliminating workforce competition. All one has to do to see proof of that is the so-called "pro life" people being rabidly against taking care of the working poor and their small children after they're born by eliminating all social safety and welfare programs.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
18. America is not obsessed with abortion
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:28 AM
Apr 2018

It's just means to push a right wing extremist agenda.

I remember when the astroturf "Tea Party" movement started, the Koch Brothers marketed it as a rebellion against out of control government spending which was driving us into unsustainable debt.

At the time a somewhat unhinged friend of mine was talking to me about it and asked me if I wanted to attend a rally with him, I agreed to check it out, and what we both saw was an obviously well organized scam that consisted mostly of extremists trying conflate, abortion, birther nonsense, wasteful government spending , patriotism, and fake sense of religious morality into the same category, and for the most part the media has continued to allow this scam to continue.

Anytime Republicans get caught lying, stealing money, getting kickbacks, cheating on their taxes, cheating on their spouses, raping children, or any other criminal activity, they start with fake "abortion, wasteful government spending , patriotism, and fake sense of religious morality" narrative ... and for the most part the media still allows them to get away with it.

Ilsa

(61,710 posts)
22. White women having abortions is why one of my kin is against it.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:38 AM
Apr 2018

She believes there is white genocide in progress.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
24. We thought the Christian Dominionists were a fringe sect...
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:19 PM
Apr 2018

like Palin and Betsy Devos and her brother, Erik Prince. Makes me curious how the Rapture and white genocide are connected in their warped minds.

But, not only are they in power now, there are many, many more who subscribe to that belief system than many of us thought.

but also

Ilsa

(61,710 posts)
25. Yeah, very scary. This person
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:36 PM
Apr 2018

Is not a christian dominionist, but the label is irrelevant. The emotions and unsupported belief system is there, ready to be manipulated.

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