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Maybe the Chinese Swimmer is Guilty of Steroid Use (Original Post) lame54 Jul 2012 OP
Yes, you do. Sorry. cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #1
Exactly -- the Chinese swimming program is known to be dirty obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #3
She was cleared by the WADA... lame54 Jul 2012 #6
True, but the increase in performance is suspect. Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #2
what measures impossible?... lame54 Jul 2012 #7
compared to her other times Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #9
Lance Armstrong came up clean initially too... ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2012 #14
She also swam the last lap of one of the IMs or relays faster than the gold medal winning guy. amandabeech Jul 2012 #8
Shw also swam it slower than 4 guys in Lochte's final muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #13
You always have such well analysed, well sourced posts... SidDithers Jul 2012 #17
Well said malaise Jul 2012 #4
Sorry, I'm not buying it. Pithlet Jul 2012 #5
Toon cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #10
Or maybe the American coach is just a jealous asshole. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #11
Exactly. Do we lead the world in sore-loserism too? FSogol Jul 2012 #12
Yep. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #16
Lance Armstrong has taken (and passed) over 500 random screenings... Earth_First Jul 2012 #15
then let him be already lame54 Aug 2012 #18
Here's one explanation.... RagAss Aug 2012 #19

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
1. Yes, you do. Sorry.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 05:48 PM
Jul 2012

This is not a criminal trial, it is talking about the Olympics.

If she wants to blame someone for her day being spoiled she can start with the Chinese swim program for having a history of massive cheating.

Of course she faces unusual scrutiny.

obamanut2012

(26,165 posts)
3. Exactly -- the Chinese swimming program is known to be dirty
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 05:51 PM
Jul 2012

And has been for a long time.

I don't blame the swimmers 00 they have no choice, just like the East Germans didn't, but the odds are that every single Chinese swimmer at the Olympics is dirty, but their juice people are either using something new or are masking what they are using very well.

Marion Jones and many others came up clean, too, and some were either never caught or publicly exposed (which is what I'm betting happened with Flo Jo, because she was dead).

lame54

(35,339 posts)
6. She was cleared by the WADA...
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:06 PM
Jul 2012

Last edited Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:50 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/london-2012-olympics-chinese-swimmer-ye-shiwen-cleared-of-doping-by-wada-says-olympic-chief-colin-moyinhan-1-2441861

and the BOA

The $30 million state-of-the-art laboratory in Harlow, Essex is a short distance from the Olympic Park in east London and is fully accredited by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA).
"I think it's a significant involvement," WADA's director general David Howman told CNN.
"The laboratory will have everything it could possibly need in terms of equipment. If athletes go to London, they know if they are cheating they are likely to be caught."

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/12/sport/drugs-london-2012-olympics-laboratory/index.html

If their shady past is all there is to go on - a more discreet inquiry would have been appropriate.

A loud public accusation is wrong
 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
2. True, but the increase in performance is suspect.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 05:50 PM
Jul 2012

I don't have the numbers in front of me but as I understand it she beat her best time by so much that it seems impossible for her to have done it on her own.

This is when you just need to trust in the people who's job it is to sort these things out. Nothing for any of the rest of us to do but wait for their findings.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
9. compared to her other times
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:07 PM
Jul 2012

I don't know why they keep bringing up Lochte's times


BTW, here tests came back and they say she was clean, so that is that.

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
14. Lance Armstrong came up clean initially too...
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:21 PM
Jul 2012

and while it doesn't seem that he has failed any tests yet, they are leveling charges and suspending him from competing...

sP

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
8. She also swam the last lap of one of the IMs or relays faster than the gold medal winning guy.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:09 PM
Jul 2012

It was Lachte (?), and he looks amazingly fit and powerful.

It would be like a woman running the 100 meters as fast as Usain Bolt. There would be questions if that happened.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,399 posts)
13. Shw also swam it slower than 4 guys in Lochte's final
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:17 PM
Jul 2012

3rd: HAGINO Kosuke 28.52
4th: PHELPS Michael 28.44
6th: HORIHATA Yuya 27.87
7th: FRASER-HOLMES Thomas 28.35
http://www.london2012.com/swimming/event=swimming-men-400m-individual-medley/
YE Shiwen 28.93
http://www.london2012.com/swimming/event/women-400m-individual-medley/index.html

Lochte was comfortably in the lead (3.44 seconds in front of 2nd at the final turn) - he may have slowed (though he still swam the final length faster than the guy in 2nd). Lochte swam the whole thing nearly 20 seconds faster than Ye. Her world record time for the whole 400m would have placed her 34th in the men's heats, beating 3 guys from Macedonia, El Salvador and Qatar (and a guy from Tunisia who was disqualified).

This would be like a woman recording a faster final 100m in an 800m foot race than the winner of the men's 800m, when he had eased up after building a comfortable lead - and still finishing 10 seconds behind him.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
15. Lance Armstrong has taken (and passed) over 500 random screenings...
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:24 PM
Jul 2012

What's a single test by the IOC for what seems like a suspicious performance?

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