This is just me. My take.

[sheshe2]

I will never wish ill on a family in grief. Barbara Bush died, they lost a mother, wife, grandmother and great-grandmother. Now senior Bush is hospitalized. They are going to lose him as well.

Did I like them? No. They were flawed humans. They did evil deeds.

However with my own mom nearing the end I cannot hate them. I just can't.

[Squinch]

1. Oh, sheshe, I'm so sorry to hear about your mom.

[sheshe2]

4. We are doing homecare.

She sleeps a lot and is weak, however still alert. Knowing our history she could be around for awhile...92 in July.

My mother was far from a perfect mom, yet we will grieve. I won't take that from any family.

Thank you Squinch.

[Squinch]

7. Its a terribly hard time no matter what your relationship. Hang in there.

Wish I could help.

[sheshe2]

10. Love you.

We are figuring it out.

This makes three in 4 years. We are trying to get it right.

hugs.

[Squinch]

12. Love you too.

[EffieBlack]

22. I know this must be hard. Im so sorry.

[sheshe2]

25. Thanks.

I won't lie. It is hard. My sister and I have blow out fights and then we come together.

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. Or it is a non point, I choose not to say anything at all if I dont like them

because for instance if you know who died, there would be no reason to care about that family.

I wouldnt celebrate openly at the time, that would be a sign of an immature person, but I would NEVER show condolences for that family (Not Bush, you know who I mean)

So in the case of Bush I will say nothing or just acknowledge there are actual human beings suffering in the family.


As to your mom, ask her if she is able to tell you some stories you dont know about, if there are any. I wish I had done more of that.

[RandomAccess]

5. And get them recorded!!!

[sheshe2]

26. My mom has the stories.

The pictures and the history.

My nephew by marriage has a whole history going with Ancestry.com.

[BobTheSubgenius]

37. I'm with you.

I figure it's about the best I can do, and far from the worst.

[BigmanPigman]

3. Now her hubby is in the hospital.

This is what happens when there is real, deep love and a great loss.

[world wide wally]

6. You don't have to hate anyone, Sheshe.

Sometimes people make it hard not to but we are better than that.
Just hate the crap they do.

[robbob]

68. I developed a habit years ago:

Somebody cuts me off in traffic (for example), and my brain immediately starts to form the thought “I HATE people who drive like that...”, but I shut it down right away and reform it as “I hate it WHEN people drive like that”. It’s amazing how often I have to do that! I guess I “hate” a lot of stupid things people do?

[mshasta]

8. that is always the case

one goes the other follows, is the bonding in a long term relationship

[Frustratedlady]

13. My father died 6 weeks to the day after Mom died.

He told her right before they closed the casket that he'd see her soon. He knew she hated to be alone and feared he would die before she crossed over. That ate at him. They were married just under 60 years and I believe it is true that when a spouse dies, a good part of you goes with them.

There is a loss of will and I believe that takes a lot of the surviving spouses. It's also harder for men.

His hospitalization doesn't surprise me one bit.

[sheshe2]

16. Nor me.

[Hekate]

9. Mine too...

[sheshe2]

11. You.

[underpants]

14. Couples who've been together for a long time often passed close to each other

Lots of examples - Johnny and June Carter Cash passed within a few months. I've know several grandparents of friends that this occurred with.

[badhair77]

15. Sending good thoughts for strength for you and your mother, sheshe2.

[sheshe2]

18. Thank you, badhair77.

[MFM008]

17. Sheshe2

Me as.well. my mom is going of what Barbara Bush died of, i am right behind you.
George wants to go, he wanted to see her off first.
I reserve my dislike for
The maggot.

[sheshe2]

52. Peace to you and yours, MFM

It is painful for any family member and to watch and explain to the wee ones.

[MFM008]

58. Thank you

[spanone]

19. K&R...

[brer cat]

20. I hope he passes peacefully.

The family's relationships have nothing to do with politics.

I think about you very often and hope that your caregiving isn't getting you down. You love your mom and will do the best you can, but also take care of yourself.

[sheshe2]

27. I liked seeing Jenna and Barbara holding hands.

We are doing okay, brer. Good times, bad times. I will be moving into the apartment upstairs on Friday ...if I can finish packing and moving the rest of her stuff.

[EffieBlack]

21. Im with you a 1000 percent

[sheshe2]

28. I am there with you as well.

[canetoad]

23. K & R

An analogy. If I don't enjoy a play or concert I may applaud less than enthusiastically. Would never, ever boo and hiss.

[sheshe2]

50. Good analogy.

[Martin Eden]

24. I wish ill on their son GW for the immense grief and horrors for which he is responsible.

-- orders of magnitude more grief than anyone saddened by the death of parents who enjoyed very long lives of wealth and privilege (referring to Barbara & George Sr.).

[democratisphere]

29. The Bushes had an epiphany and realized the Clintons were the greatest

and literally accepted them as members of their own family. Got to give them credit for that. Really.

[MineralMan]

30. I'm very sorry to hear about your mother.

As for the Bushes, there's a bible verse:

"Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."

The time of the Bush's evil is in the past. Let them die in peace, I say.

[sagetea]

31. My own mom died

The same day Barbara died. I cannot allow myself any joy at this as I am mourning too.

[sheshe2]

33. I am so sorry for your loss.

Sweet dreams to your mom, sagetea.

peace to you and yours.

[Hamlette]

32. Bush 41 was not as bad as Bush 43

and while Barbara was the poster child for white privilege, she was not all bad. IMHO

[peggysue2]

34. Sorry to hear about your mom, sheshe

It's always hard for family members and watching someone die, knowing each day is closer to the end is emotionally draining, exhausting and flat-out painful. I share your feelings on Barbara Bush's recent death. No one has to like her or the family for that matter. But on a human level, the loss to the Bush family is as difficult as it is for anyone else. Besides, hate takes wa-a-y too much energy.

Take care of yourself. It's a rough period to go through.

[sheshe2]

44. You are so right, peggysue.

I thank you.

[Ilsa]

35. I'm with you on this.

They did what they did and now they are gone or going. Nothing can be done about it. I'm not going to lie and praise them with false compliments, but I'm not going to bash them, either. A family is losing their loved ones.

[Nitram]

42. Iisa, by "bashing" do you mean sliming people by making up nasty stuff about them, or

remembering the facts about their actual principles, words, and actions? Does forgiving someone mean refusing to acknowledge that they did real harm to people during their life? Christianity and Buddhism, the two faiths I know best, both believe that we can forgive someone in the full knowledge of the harm they have done. In fact, accepting the knowledge of the evils they have committed is essential to real forgiveness. Otherwise, we are just pretending.

[Ilsa]

45. I'm not gonna bash or forgive, or repeat the silly stories

the media tells about them to make them seem more personable. They are gone. I can't undo their wrongs for them. I don't care where this fits in Christianity or Buddhism.

But I won't beat up on people who are grieving, at least not today. They are still here, and grief is real, and I gain nothing from bashing anyone who is grieving.

[EffieBlack]

48. This

[sheshe2]

51. But I won't

But I won't beat up on people who are grieving, at least not today. They are still here, and grief is real, and I gain nothing from bashing anyone who is grieving.

Thank you Ilsa.

[MustLoveBeagles]

36. I feel the same way

If others don't like it too bad. Save your energy for your mom's and your own sake. I lost my mom in 2009 and my dad last month. Both deaths were very sudden but that didn't make it any easier. Sending out positive energy for you and your mom.

[sheshe2]

46. To you and yours as well, MustLoveBeagles.

[MustLoveBeagles]

70. Thank you sheshe

[Bernardo de La Paz]

38. Hate is toxic to the hater & doesn't hurt the hatee. Forgiveness heals the forgiver, even silently.

It might not be the right thing for the forgiven to hear the forgiveness. For example, a victim can still prosecute a harmer to the full extent of the law even while forgiving them.

Forgiveness does not mean forgetting. Forgiveness is a way to purge hatred.

[Nitram]

40. Don't confuse hate and a determination to stick to the truth.

Forgiveness does not require forgetfulness or dishonesty.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

41. Exactly. . . . . . nt

[Nitram]

39. I don't hate them. I just will not allow the truth about them to be covered up becasue

they are dead. Conservatives have no compunctions about sliming liberals and progressives after their death. I don't believe in falsely maligning people. But I won't allow evil, or even unpleasant people, to be sanctified just because they died. That's just me. My take.

[sheshe2]

47. I do not wish anything to be covered up.

Her death is not the place for it.

[Nitram]

54. She lived a political life and loved the attention.

There is a price one pays for that.

[Ilsa]

55. Thank you. When the die, don't make up crap

About them to make them a better person, which they should have been in this life. So, since I cannot say much good about them, I'll just keep to myself. There are people who loved them who are grieving.

[keithbvadu2]

43. Did the Donald denounce his supporter's slime against Babs? Donald does not like the Bush family.

Did the Donald denounce his supporter's slime against Babs?

Donald does not like the Bush family.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/roger-stone-disses-barbara-bush-nasty-drunk-news-132928624.html

(Conservative) Trump political consigliere Roger Stone unloaded on Barbara Bush in an Instagram post on Tuesday evening just hours after her death. There, Stone wrote that the former first lady was a “nasty drunk” and posted a quote from him suggesting that if you lit her body on fire it would “burn for three days.”

[aikoaiko]

49. Yeah. Ive got bigger problems than hating Bush family.

99 problems but a Bush ain’t one.

[Soxfan58]

53. I hope you can enjoy the time you have left with your Mom

And about the Bushes. Hatred is a strong term, I never agreed with Senior or Jr. as politicians but I never hated them. I never hated any politician untill trump.

[Orsino]

56. I wish a series of reckonings on them.

I would like those among them who have hurt so many to understand their deeds and have to seek atonement.

[NNadir]

57. Thank you for your humanity. N/t

[cwydro]

59. My mother died in 2017 at 90.

I’ll never make fun of any person or family dealing with the end of life.

Seen some really horrific comments here when Barbara Bush died. It speaks volumes about the person who makes those comments.

Happy to rec.

[TNLib]

60. I lost my husband several years ago

Then within a year his mother passed and shortly there after his Father.

I actually had to stop watching the coverage yesterday. I was starting to relive my own grief. I feel for the Bush family.

I never thought I would shed a tear for that family. But witnessing their trauma and loss in full display reminds me that we are all human.

[lark]

61. Sending a little bit of strength your way.

You will need it. I still remember the ordeal we went through with my mom 3 years ago and I feel for you and your family. Don't forget to take care of yourself too.

[sheshe2]

64. Thanks, lark.

Sorry for your loss. It is so hard. We did this 4+ years ago for dad and my BIL. They died two weeks apart.

Huge hugs to you and yours.

[steve2470]

62. I'm the same way

Trump comes really close to hatred for me but I can't let myself go that dark inside.

I wish you comfort when your mom passes. Mine passed 11 years ago.

[tomp]

63. I declare myself to be in a state of...

...decided unmourning. The bushes have been moral monsters, political thieves, and treasonous money grabbers for at least three generations.

I mourn the innocent Latin American and Iraqi dead and injured.

[calimary]

65. Understood, completely, she.

I'm conflicted about them too. But I do honor Barbara Bush - and the noteworthy marriage she had with George Sr. And I feel bad for him, having lost his mate and life-long love. I know she's waiting for him on the Other Side. They'll eventually be back together again.

[sheshe2]

69. Thanks, calimary.

As I said...I don't like them or agree with them. Now is not the time...

[Demsrule86]

66. I agree with you.

[Demsrule86]

67. Sorry about you Mom. I was a Mamma's girl...called my Mom everyday.

I still reach for the phone sometime although it has been a decade. She went too soon.