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QED

(2,754 posts)
Sun Apr 22, 2018, 08:57 PM Apr 2018

I've been thinking about the return of Paul Ryan...

I'm sure that thought makes you as much as it does me. But, if 45 leaves office before the end of his term, we'll get Pence. Ugh. But who would be VP? I had a horrifying thought that it might be Paul Ryan to position him to run in 2020 or 2024.

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I've been thinking about the return of Paul Ryan... (Original Post) QED Apr 2018 OP
No, Paul Ryan is finished in politics marylandblue Apr 2018 #1
Very possible. Romney was of course considered Hortensis Apr 2018 #4
wouldn't pence run? lame54 Apr 2018 #2
I think Ryan is looking at 2024 elfin Apr 2018 #3
Good thought about Haley. nt QED Apr 2018 #6
When Nixon resigned, Ford took over... MiniMe Apr 2018 #5
That's the scenario I was thinking of. nt QED Apr 2018 #7

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
1. No, Paul Ryan is finished in politics
Sun Apr 22, 2018, 09:05 PM
Apr 2018

He got his tax cuts, he did nothing else of significance and he will have helped the Republicans lose the house in November.

If Trump leaves, Pence is more likely to pick Mitt Romney.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. Very possible. Romney was of course considered
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 04:54 AM
Apr 2018

for secretary of state -- by Pence, who was instrumental in filling most high offices -- until, according to that second Steele "dossier," Russia asked them (Trump only, Pence involved?) to choose someone else because Romney was too hard line.

Romney shares Pence's intense religiosity and Christian supremacy goals. He's Mormon, though, and here in the south, although acceptance took a big step forward when Romney ran for president, suspicion and bias against Mormons is still very strong. Evangelical Pence would be received so happily, though, that he could choose Hillary as his VP and they'd still support him. That shooting someone in the street authoritarian loyalty thing.

I wonder about Pence, though, more than ever after witnessing his intense, seemingly unwavering self discipline as VP. How long has this been going on? He's been hiding the depth of his religiosity for some time now, just slipping unavoidably out in his actions as governor of IN. And he doesn't badmouth people, including of other religious, ethnic or racial groups. Does that mean this intense religious conservative is wonderfully free from bias, or has he been hiding it since his college days, when someone who knew him then said Pence believed he would be president someday?

Pence believes god is directing his life to impose Christian government on this nation (not his description, of course). Would he position a very ambitious Mormon to be elected or succeed to the presidency, knowing the Mormon church fully expects them, not evangelicals, to rule the U.S. on behalf of god? Very possibly, but there are plenty of other intensely religious evangelicals a President Pence could get confirmed. It would seem he wouldn't actually need Romney and wouldn't need to create a future problem.

Just stream of thought. These religious supremacists too close to power always push my buttons.

The Atlantic: “We’ve come to a pivotal moment in the life of this country,” Pence soulfully intones. “It’s a good time to pray for America.” His voice rising in righteous fervor, the vice president promises an opening of the heavens. “If His people who are called by His name will humble themselves and pray,” he proclaims, “He’ll hear from heaven, and He’ll heal this land!”

elfin

(6,262 posts)
3. I think Ryan is looking at 2024
Sun Apr 22, 2018, 10:48 PM
Apr 2018

He is young enough to wait. It gets more distance between him and The Trump era. And it's long enough for short attention span voters to forget his evil ways.

Pence will pick Haley if Mother would let him.

But then, I have been wrong about everything since 2015.

MiniMe

(21,724 posts)
5. When Nixon resigned, Ford took over...
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:22 PM
Apr 2018

And then nominated a new VP who was voted on in the Senate. It was Ford instead of Agnew because Agnew had already resigned for an entirely different matter. That was another corrupt administration

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