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kentuck

(111,111 posts)
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 07:49 AM Apr 2018

Do you believe that Donald Trump conspired with House Republicans to tear down Comey...?

...with the release of the Comey memos?

From the way Trump has been tweeting for the last couple of days, we might deduce that it was his idea?

However, there seems to be a small clog in their conspiracy plan. In leaking the memos, the people were able to see with their own eyes and draw a comparison between the two men, Trump and Comey.

Trump does not come out looking good. Comey comes out looking like the more honest and more truthful person. Trump looks dishonest and conniving. Trump is clearly the loser when the two men are compared in the memos.

It was a political mistake by Trump and his Republican conspirators. Although they are working doubly-hard to try and fix their "mistake", the damage has been done. Their plan to destroy the most credible witness for the prosecution has failed.

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Do you believe that Donald Trump conspired with House Republicans to tear down Comey...? (Original Post) kentuck Apr 2018 OP
Yes of course they did. dem4decades Apr 2018 #1
Yes and of course they leaked it which is why those fuckers should get no info... Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #2
The primary political dialogue Republicans use are personal attacks. gordianot Apr 2018 #3
Self-Evidently, Yes ProfessorGAC Apr 2018 #4
Does a bear poop in the woods? nt doc03 Apr 2018 #5
Is it true that the Comey memos were "unclassified" and remain so today? kentuck Apr 2018 #6
No. Look at them yourself and you'll see the Classified headings and the redactions! Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #7
Did Comey classify and "redact" them by himself? kentuck Apr 2018 #10
No! Again, look at the memos. Somebody else's signature is on them de-classifying them. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #12
Did Comey give them that option in his memos? kentuck Apr 2018 #14
Look at the scanned memos. Not typed in copies. They are online. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #15
Read the whole article you linked. The answer is in there. Its last update 12 hours before your post Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author kentuck Apr 2018 #19
To clarify my post #7: some memos Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #18
With FOX, anything is possible. kentuck Apr 2018 #21
Yup. Occasionally they even tell the truth, when it suits them. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #22
Classified? Roy Rolling Apr 2018 #8
Only Trump matters True Blue American Apr 2018 #9
Does Dracula have an overbite? nt Atticus Apr 2018 #11
No doubt, they are going after Comey with everything they've got. kentuck Apr 2018 #13
"Trump does not come out looking good." Exotica Apr 2018 #17
OMG! kentuck Apr 2018 #24
No belief necessary. They are doing it in the open Gore1FL Apr 2018 #20
This is the intellectual level upon which... Takket Apr 2018 #27
The plan to "leak" the memos was flawed from the beginning ewagner Apr 2018 #23
When first we practice to deceive... kentuck Apr 2018 #25
True... ewagner Apr 2018 #29
Good job ewagner. Ligyron Apr 2018 #30
...a good lawyer... ewagner Apr 2018 #31
I worry about a country that will not only tolerate a known pathological liar as its leader, world wide wally Apr 2018 #26
True but they will continue their fake tales of leaks malaise Apr 2018 #28

Demsrule86

(68,800 posts)
2. Yes and of course they leaked it which is why those fuckers should get no info...
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:04 AM
Apr 2018

It backfired though as there was worse stuff that Comey left out of the book, and it showed Comey was telling the truth.

gordianot

(15,254 posts)
3. The primary political dialogue Republicans use are personal attacks.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:06 AM
Apr 2018

When Republicans are not lieing they are attacking.

ProfessorGAC

(65,401 posts)
4. Self-Evidently, Yes
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:08 AM
Apr 2018

The most obvious evidence is that it backfired, and that level of incompetence has House R's written all over it.

kentuck

(111,111 posts)
6. Is it true that the Comey memos were "unclassified" and remain so today?
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:12 AM
Apr 2018

Contrary to what Trump said and what FOX reported?
=====================

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/why-were-republicans-so-desperate-to-release-the-embarrassing-comey-memos-heres-one-explanation.html

This all ultimately seems to explain why House Republicans were so eager to get these memos into the public. It seems as though they thought the memos would prove Comey had illegally leaked classified information and lied about it. It seems as though they were basing this entirely on a bit of contradictory—and likely inaccurate—Fox News reporting. And it seems that this contradictory, likely inaccurate reporting was done by Fox News to help validate this Donald Trump tweet, which was sent two days after Comey’s Senate testimony:

Finally, it seems that the memos released prove the exact opposite: The apparently leaked documents were never and still aren’t classified.

Ultimately, this is likely why on Thursday night we learned that Putin was allegedly discussing Russian hookers with Trump, that the president appears to have been obsessed with the pee tape to a previously undisclosed degree, and apparently had his chief of staff ask the FBI director if Mike Flynn was being bugged.

In the likely event that there are more rakes out there in this investigation, House Republicans should think very carefully about where they step next.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,073 posts)
7. No. Look at them yourself and you'll see the Classified headings and the redactions!
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:14 AM
Apr 2018

Your post title shows you have some confusion between "the memos" and "the documents" that were supposedly leaked.

The memos are classified, or were before the redactions and de-classification.

The other documents I have not seen.

kentuck

(111,111 posts)
10. Did Comey classify and "redact" them by himself?
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:17 AM
Apr 2018

As FBI Director, doesn't he have the authority to classify them?

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,073 posts)
12. No! Again, look at the memos. Somebody else's signature is on them de-classifying them.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:20 AM
Apr 2018

Comey signed his memos, several of which were classified.

Somebody else redacted them, declassified them, and signed the declassification.

kentuck

(111,111 posts)
14. Did Comey give them that option in his memos?
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:24 AM
Apr 2018

To either give them a higher classification or to not classify them at all? I thought I read that??

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,073 posts)
15. Look at the scanned memos. Not typed in copies. They are online.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:28 AM
Apr 2018

But this time, for this question, it is answered by reading even the typed in copies.

Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #16)

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,073 posts)
18. To clarify my post #7: some memos
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:39 AM
Apr 2018

Some memos were classified. Later those were redacted and declassified.

If you read the article you linked, you'll see that what Comey leaked was four pages, all unclassified (never classified). Fox stupidly took that to mean four memos.



kentuck

(111,111 posts)
21. With FOX, anything is possible.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:46 AM
Apr 2018


What does it mean, "de-classified"?

Who would have "de-classified" them?

Was it legal?

Roy Rolling

(6,943 posts)
8. Classified?
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:16 AM
Apr 2018

Does the GOP have any other play in their playbook? How'd the legal harassment strategy against Hillary work?

True Blue American

(17,996 posts)
9. Only Trump matters
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:16 AM
Apr 2018

Not one bit of concern over what happened to our election.

Simply put,a self centered,Dirty old man!

kentuck

(111,111 posts)
13. No doubt, they are going after Comey with everything they've got.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:22 AM
Apr 2018

They even recruited that little hypocrite, Gowdy, to help them promote their conspiracy to tear down, not only James Comey, but our entire Justice Department. It is getting closer to treason every single day...

 

Exotica

(1,461 posts)
17. "Trump does not come out looking good."
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:39 AM
Apr 2018

Trump wouldn't come out favourably in a 3-way comparison between himself, a shit-filled nappie baking in the summer sun at the local dump, and a road-killed syphilitic warthog.

Gore1FL

(21,167 posts)
20. No belief necessary. They are doing it in the open
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:45 AM
Apr 2018
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/384020-rnc-sending-lyin-lion-mascot-to-follow-comey-around-on-book-tour

The Republican National Committee (RNC) is sending a mascot — Lyin' Lion Comey — to trail former FBI Director James Comey on his cross-country book tour.

The lion mascot's mission was first reported Thursday by CNN, before the GOP itself appeared to confirm the news in a tweet.

The RNC later confirmed the effort in an email to The Hill.

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<More at site>

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
23. The plan to "leak" the memos was flawed from the beginning
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:48 AM
Apr 2018

In my career I have often found that my opponents think only on the first layer of complexity...in one case having a lawyer draft a resolution that they thought would put my side at a disadvantage, but the text cited a law that would force them to jump thought a ton of hoops before they could succeed. They never read it. They never looked up the referenced law. I tore them a new one in the floor fight.

The house repubs seem like my opponents. They go after legal/legislative "twinkies"..that is, they jump at actions that are appealing to the eye, sweet on the surface but HAVE NO (ZERO) nutritional value.

Our opponents are often neither as smart nor as clever as we imagine them to be.

Ligyron

(7,645 posts)
30. Good job ewagner.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 01:12 PM
Apr 2018

But alot of this is a jury trial and almost half the jury pool in this country are idiots

world wide wally

(21,760 posts)
26. I worry about a country that will not only tolerate a known pathological liar as its leader,
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 10:42 AM
Apr 2018

but having an entire political party that is also willing to lie for him. Especially when they have complete control because we wanted them to have it.

malaise

(269,292 posts)
28. True but they will continue their fake tales of leaks
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 10:46 AM
Apr 2018

and will have copious hearings in the lead up to the mid-terms. All will be paid for by tax-payers as these fuckers loot the treasury one last time before they are voted out hopefully for decades.

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