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Hekate

(90,189 posts)
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:27 PM Apr 2018

More OPs excoriating Rachel Maddow and Katy Tur: what's with that, folks?

For those whose memory doesn't go back that far, look up Aaron Brown in our archives and watch how our esteemed progressives turned against him on a dime.

DUers can be fickle. Think about it.

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More OPs excoriating Rachel Maddow and Katy Tur: what's with that, folks? (Original Post) Hekate Apr 2018 OP
I dont get to see Katy, but there best not be a SINGLE attack post here about Rachel Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #1
She got a ration of shit for saying a few nice things about Barbara Bush. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #3
Reminds me of people who give Hillary shit, who in ONE DAY thru her foundation does Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #5
And then stuck us MFM008 Apr 2018 #27
Yeah. Truly. I wonder if they're happy NOW. calimary Apr 2018 #47
Some people evidently thought Rachel blew the interview with the Playboy model's lawyer... Hekate Apr 2018 #9
I may not have seen THAT interview, I see most. I trust that Rachel did her job Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #10
MY complaint about her was from yesterday RandomAccess Apr 2018 #13
Some people just gotta hate. shraby Apr 2018 #2
I don't miss Aaron Brown lame54 Apr 2018 #4
And? He went from being our bestest friend to persona non grata overnight... Hekate Apr 2018 #16
I wasn't part of DU until last year but I do remember Aaron Brown BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #46
You know, I can't even recall the exact incident, except I was going wtf Hekate Apr 2018 #65
Thanks for the background info. BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #86
I liked him, too, watched his show every night Rhiannon12866 Apr 2018 #91
Tur is weak Tea. -nt poboy2 Apr 2018 #6
I think she's good! The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #7
I am well aware of her history as well. I say again, Weak Tea. poboy2 Apr 2018 #8
Then don't tune in. I'm sure CNN has someone else on at the same time. Hekate Apr 2018 #23
Not asking for advice. I don't watch. An OP subject was made. poboy2 Apr 2018 #24
yep A-Schwarzenegger Apr 2018 #57
Katy Tur and Rachel are not even in the same ballpark..gravitas, folks.... jodymarie aimee Apr 2018 #11
+1000 OnDoutside Apr 2018 #14
And there's that too RandomAccess Apr 2018 #17
exactly...I started to think she wanted to date him jodymarie aimee Apr 2018 #33
Ari is equal to Rachel in my mind -- RandomAccess Apr 2018 #35
When Lawrence had that horrid accident abroad and almost died jodymarie aimee Apr 2018 #48
I'm having trouble imagining Tur as an anchor at all RandomAccess Apr 2018 #49
That's incorrect - she's about to marry someone FakeNoose Apr 2018 #82
I thought ari was the awkward one dawg day Apr 2018 #85
Like this? RandomAccess Apr 2018 #93
That you have to point this out to the OP speaks to the obvious. poboy2 Apr 2018 #19
I'm not sure there are any progressives left not under fire from other progressives. LanternWaste Apr 2018 #12
EVERYONE GET IN LOCKSTEP RIGHT FUGGIN NOW!!!!@%!!!! Blue_Adept Apr 2018 #15
Can I quote you? RandomAccess Apr 2018 #18
Seventeen years on this board and it still cracks me up Blue_Adept Apr 2018 #20
Sigh. So true. RandomAccess Apr 2018 #25
Pretty sure you know that's not what I said. How about: The majority please try to act like adults Hekate Apr 2018 #21
The majority does act like adults most of the time Blue_Adept Apr 2018 #22
OMG BA - what you say - That is the funniest most perfect thing ever !! Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2018 #68
Trolls aim to create division HipChick Apr 2018 #26
DING! DING! DING! madamesilverspurs Apr 2018 #29
The thought police have arrived. Saying something bad of Tur reveals trolldom.-nt poboy2 Apr 2018 #31
Every opposing view is not automatically trolling. Some people have differing opinions on how to be lindysalsagal Apr 2018 #32
That's the point - opposing views are NOT welcome here - even bleeding heart Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2018 #71
I remember when Chuck Todd called the 2008 primary he was The Professor!!! Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #28
With Rachel, could it be because everyone is watching her and she is blowing the Squinch Apr 2018 #30
So many unrealistic expectations PatSeg Apr 2018 #34
OVER-explains? Plucketeer Apr 2018 #53
Sometimes PatSeg Apr 2018 #92
Rachel's the best; Katy is a giggly trump semi-cheerleader. A-Schwarzenegger Apr 2018 #36
Rachel is the best. Katy's still growing into the job, I hope. But a cheerleader at Trump rallies? Hekate Apr 2018 #37
She could barely contain herself sending in those rally reports. A-Schwarzenegger Apr 2018 #56
Not true about Tur. Gore1FL Apr 2018 #50
She was the biggest grinning hoorayer in the world for trump A-Schwarzenegger Apr 2018 #54
I remember the opposite. Gore1FL Apr 2018 #61
Yeah, I am sure she is a serious hard-hitting journalist. A-Schwarzenegger Apr 2018 #63
"There she is, Little Katy Tur. Fake news folks! Fake news!" With the trademark growl & snarl... Hekate Apr 2018 #62
His being a nazi demon lummox does not improve Tur's journalistic chops. A-Schwarzenegger Apr 2018 #69
As I said in another post in this thread: they are not at all equivalent in my mind Hekate Apr 2018 #75
oh, BOB Tur, yes i remember him well. AND... A-Schwarzenegger Apr 2018 #78
Bullshit RhodeIslandOne Apr 2018 #84
Not laughing, giggling. A-Schwarzenegger Apr 2018 #87
I think she was blindsided as we all were RhodeIslandOne Apr 2018 #88
I agree with that. I wish her well. A-Schwarzenegger Apr 2018 #89
Ok to criticize Rachel if she has an off show oberliner Apr 2018 #38
Just to be clear: I never said they were in the same league, but both got slammed -- not criticized Hekate Apr 2018 #39
Gotcha oberliner Apr 2018 #44
Maddow, Tur attackers are trolls. Chakaconcarne Apr 2018 #40
A Purity police breakout? workinclasszero Apr 2018 #41
What's the first word of "Divide and Conquer"? nt Binkie The Clown Apr 2018 #42
Yes. Everything here I judge on its merits blake2012 Apr 2018 #43
Rachel??? Are you kidding? BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #45
Someone needs to file an official complaint! JohnnyRingo Apr 2018 #51
:-) spooky3 Apr 2018 #79
i thought it was a fluff interview so i turned over samnsara Apr 2018 #52
I like Katy and I like Rachel .. DemoTex Apr 2018 #55
Thank you Hekate Apr 2018 #59
They got tired of going after Alex Witt & Stepthanie Ruhle? Pathwalker Apr 2018 #58
Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #60
You're joking? If not then it reads something like a trump supporter would write rockfordfile Apr 2018 #67
you don't really watch her bigtree Apr 2018 #72
I no longer get MSNBC mcar Apr 2018 #64
Exactly Hekate Apr 2018 #66
Love it mcar Apr 2018 #74
saw something with Kur I didn't like yesterday bigtree Apr 2018 #70
Look, let's be honest RhodeIslandOne Apr 2018 #73
Thanks. elleng Apr 2018 #76
Huge Rachel fan here. She's the best of many fine people on MSNBC. panader0 Apr 2018 #77
Rachel gets a lot of info out in a short time. Erin Burnett on CNN does a great job too. jalan48 Apr 2018 #80
I don't understand why the two get JNelson6563 Apr 2018 #81
Katy is the best creeksneakers2 Apr 2018 #83
Spot on. cwydro Apr 2018 #90

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
5. Reminds me of people who give Hillary shit, who in ONE DAY thru her foundation does
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:43 PM
Apr 2018

more for those in need than any 100 of us combined will do in our LIFETIMES.

MFM008

(19,776 posts)
27. And then stuck us
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:23 PM
Apr 2018

With tnis putrid maggot because of it
And E MAILS
And " establishment".........
The Susan Sarandons of the world.

calimary

(80,693 posts)
47. Yeah. Truly. I wonder if they're happy NOW.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 06:26 PM
Apr 2018

Tore down Hillary every chance they got, when she was the ONE-AND-ONLY THING standing between us and the damnable situation we're in now. Are they happy NOW? Are they pleased with the results they helped achieve for all the rest of us (and themselves, too)? Are they proud of themselves for their insistence on purity-only and "Perfection Or Bust"? How's it workin' out for them now?

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
9. Some people evidently thought Rachel blew the interview with the Playboy model's lawyer...
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:51 PM
Apr 2018

I averted my eyes from the subsequent pile-up, but saw enough. You would have thought this was career-ending gaffe of Biblical proportions, and someone said they would never respect her again.

Katy was just trying to be humorous today, and came off kind of silly. So?

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
10. I may not have seen THAT interview, I see most. I trust that Rachel did her job
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:53 PM
Apr 2018

ten thousand times better than ANY person criticizing her.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
13. MY complaint about her was from yesterday
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:01 PM
Apr 2018

and she wasn't trying to be silly.

Her being Tur. I don't really have any complaints about Maddow.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
2. Some people just gotta hate.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:30 PM
Apr 2018

I find both anchors enjoyable to watch, as do many others. They are great at what they do.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
16. And? He went from being our bestest friend to persona non grata overnight...
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:03 PM
Apr 2018

DU's collective behavior was despicable, including the lead-in where a member was going to appear on his show, and DU went ballistic with unhinged "You better tell Aaron this and that and the other thing too" messages -- which might have had something to do with our DUer's cameo being cancelled.

I was never of the opinion that a television journalist of any stripe walks on water, but I've been a DUer since 2002, and I was ...disturbed.

BigmanPigman

(51,430 posts)
46. I wasn't part of DU until last year but I do remember Aaron Brown
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 06:25 PM
Apr 2018

from when he was on CNN. When I lived in France he was on CNN in 2005 and I really liked him. When I learned that Anderson Cooper replaced him I was saddened. Why did DU go against him?

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
65. You know, I can't even recall the exact incident, except I was going wtf
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:14 PM
Apr 2018

However, after the DU member had his appearance canceled (something pretty damn normal in the broadcast world, right?), there was no mercy to be had here. It was treated not as a kerfuffle, but a black-hearted betrayal. People here rejoiced at the subsequent ruination of Brown's career.

I never understood it -- and I have never forgotten it, either.

BigmanPigman

(51,430 posts)
86. Thanks for the background info.
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 01:06 AM
Apr 2018

I can see that happening. I am glad I wasn't on this site during the Bernie vs Hillary months.

Rhiannon12866

(202,970 posts)
91. I liked him, too, watched his show every night
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 03:39 AM
Apr 2018

To me, he was just straight news rather than opinion. And I was bummed out when he was replaced by Anderson Cooper, too. But I got the impression that he was "one of us" when he interviewed Air America show host Al Franken.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,276 posts)
7. I think she's good!
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:48 PM
Apr 2018

She was an "embedded" reporter in the Trump campaign and was treated terribly by him and his security goons. She's seen his M.O. from the inside. I like her a lot.

 

poboy2

(2,078 posts)
24. Not asking for advice. I don't watch. An OP subject was made.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:14 PM
Apr 2018

This is a message board that invites replies. I am replying.

"Think about it"

Weak Tea

 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
11. Katy Tur and Rachel are not even in the same ballpark..gravitas, folks....
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:53 PM
Apr 2018

Rachel is brilliant. When have EVER you seen Rachel lower her reporting to flirty winks and cutsey poo behavior....never. Rachel has a story to tell and tells it..she does not say Hey Look at Me !!!

Rachel tells her story and is still captivating....she does not have to act like a teeny bopper....

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
17. And there's that too
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:04 PM
Apr 2018

That highly unprofessional behavior bothers me a lot. It's degrading, IMO. I kept it out of my complaint about Tur thread because I had more substantive complaints, but --- it definitely bothers me.

I've seen Ari Melber treat her with what seemed like significant disdain on a few occasions when she was handing off MTP to him and doing that eye-batting thing. I don't think he appreciates it any more than I do, perhaps less. Or he may have other issues with her, I dunno.

 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
33. exactly...I started to think she wanted to date him
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:34 PM
Apr 2018

the flirting was so obvious....and yes, cringeworthy and juvenile.....Ari is like Lawrence to me...a News God !!!

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
35. Ari is equal to Rachel in my mind --
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:37 PM
Apr 2018

and if I had to choose between them, it'd be Ari, because he covers the more clearly legal aspects. But I hold him in VERY high regard.

 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
48. When Lawrence had that horrid accident abroad and almost died
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 06:32 PM
Apr 2018

he hand picked Ari for his replacement...it was 2 months or so...we see WHY he was the only one Lawrence would entrust his show to..Ari made his bones and they gave him his own show...can you imagine Tur or Kornacki subbing for Lawrence....never !!!

FakeNoose

(32,345 posts)
82. That's incorrect - she's about to marry someone
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 11:32 PM
Apr 2018

I read Katie Tur's book "Unbelievable" that came out about six months ago.

It's about her coverage of the Trump campaign, and how it was supposed to be only a couple of months until he dropped out. Instead it lasted for a 17 months-of-hell stint and I guess you know the rest. Katie tells us in her book that she's engaged to someone (I believe it's her executive producer) and they're getting married this summer.

She doesn't really mention it until the very end, so it would be easy to miss if someone just quickly skimmed the book. After reading the book I decided I liked her enough to watch her show occasionally.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
85. I thought ari was the awkward one
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 12:52 AM
Apr 2018

he seemed angry with her. too personal. I think we're often a bit too exacting with young women. can't be too tough (that is, at all), can't be too friendly.... can't win. let's not judge too much on personality.

 

poboy2

(2,078 posts)
19. That you have to point this out to the OP speaks to the obvious.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:06 PM
Apr 2018

Maddow is a thoughtful journalist, the other is a decent 'beat reporter', but that is all.

Tur is weak tea.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
12. I'm not sure there are any progressives left not under fire from other progressives.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 04:56 PM
Apr 2018

After particular reactions to Planned Parenthood and John Lewis 18 months ago, I'm not sure there are any progressives left not under fire from other progressives.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
21. Pretty sure you know that's not what I said. How about: The majority please try to act like adults
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:08 PM
Apr 2018

...most of the time.

Blue_Adept

(6,384 posts)
22. The majority does act like adults most of the time
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:09 PM
Apr 2018

What you're seeing are the acts of a few individuals who have differing opinions.

lindysalsagal

(20,440 posts)
32. Every opposing view is not automatically trolling. Some people have differing opinions on how to be
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:29 PM
Apr 2018

liberals.

That is the point: Liberal: Free to think for yourself.

Barbara Bush stated that the people stuck in the astrodome during the Katrina aftermath "Had it pretty good." I remember that.

But, it is the responsibility of major tv personalities to do no harm, and so you can just turn off Rachel if you think she's being too soft on a non-elected official.

She was one really wretched mother, though. If you read "Bush on the Couch," they didn't tell George what was going on when his sister died: He kept wondering where she was.

Dad was gone politicing and ambassadoring and Mom was just unapproachable, and Shrub was basically abandoned.

But I get why Rachel has no desire to shred the woman on national tv.

I see no reason to insult people or question their motives on such a small point.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
71. That's the point - opposing views are NOT welcome here - even bleeding heart
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:20 PM
Apr 2018

liberal vs. bleeding heart liberal. no calm, intellectual discussion of both sides. Just - post one point of view and spend the thread fighting off flames. Sad. Disruption.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
30. With Rachel, could it be because everyone is watching her and she is blowing the
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:26 PM
Apr 2018

doors off everyone else?

We are not without our trolls...

PatSeg

(46,794 posts)
34. So many unrealistic expectations
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:34 PM
Apr 2018

when it comes to journalists and politicians. You can dislike certain things about a person or something they said, and still like them overall.

The purists among us can be maddening, as none of them could live up to their lofty expectations.

I like both Maddow and Tur, though I get frustrated when Rachel over explains things. Still I watch her, as there is always a chance I will learn something new. Katy Tur has been a breath of fresh air at MSNBC, both professional and personable.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
53. OVER-explains?
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 07:14 PM
Apr 2018

Remind yourself of the crowd she's delivering to. I write a lot and tend to be long-winded myself. The reason is that if you leave one TINY crack of doubt, you can be sure you'll be drubbed for your lack of knowledge about whatever it is you're talking about.

That said, the wife and I still watch Rachel at least half the time she's on. She's got her delivery honed to a gnat's ass, but here's what you wanna take note of ______________________________________ <-- there's the things you NEVER hear her speak of. She has a whole hour. You'd think she could find a few words about non-Trump stories of the day. But her oversight of them speaks volumes.

PatSeg

(46,794 posts)
92. Sometimes
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 09:35 AM
Apr 2018

it feels like she keeps repeating the same thing over and over, as if she needs filler material, because she has only worked on one story. Though it could be a really good story, it may not need an entire hour. I tend to skip forward a lot when I watch her. It makes the redundancy more tolerable.

I agree that she could use a some more non-Trump stories. I know people who don't watch her as often as they used to, because she seems to only cover Trump-Russia.

A-Schwarzenegger

(15,596 posts)
36. Rachel's the best; Katy is a giggly trump semi-cheerleader.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:38 PM
Apr 2018

She never got over her crush on him at those rallies.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
37. Rachel is the best. Katy's still growing into the job, I hope. But a cheerleader at Trump rallies?
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:46 PM
Apr 2018

Trump as good as threatened her life ffs. When the Secret Service volunteers to escort you to your car because the Mussolini-wannabe has set the mob on you, that is serious.

A-Schwarzenegger

(15,596 posts)
56. She could barely contain herself sending in those rally reports.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 07:24 PM
Apr 2018

It was embarrassing. She's got it under control a little better now.

A-Schwarzenegger

(15,596 posts)
54. She was the biggest grinning hoorayer in the world for trump
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 07:23 PM
Apr 2018

on the rally trail. She obviously has to temper it for the new job.

Gore1FL

(21,030 posts)
61. I remember the opposite.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 09:55 PM
Apr 2018

I also remember her being singled out by him for his supporters to harass.

Yeah, I am sure she was and is totally pro-trump and pretending otherwise for the gig...

A-Schwarzenegger

(15,596 posts)
63. Yeah, I am sure she is a serious hard-hitting journalist.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:08 PM
Apr 2018

The fact that he is a demonic asshole and went after her does not negate
her creampuff approach to politics. We disagree. Peace.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
62. "There she is, Little Katy Tur. Fake news folks! Fake news!" With the trademark growl & snarl...
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:05 PM
Apr 2018

And the crowd goes wild, booing and screaming. This happened over and over.

She became his verbal punching bag, his punchline. Out of all journalists there -- out of all the MEN there -- Trump picked the young woman who looked the most defenseless. And like all women, she was trained from birth to smile.

Ha ha She was having the time of her life, you betcha.

I admit my reaction to watching those performances is gendered. Based on his public persona and his boasts, I believe he is a man who hits women.

A-Schwarzenegger

(15,596 posts)
69. His being a nazi demon lummox does not improve Tur's journalistic chops.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:18 PM
Apr 2018

Your OP went wrong by linking a serious deep-thinking journalist (Maddow) and a creampuff (Tur). As far as his being a woman-hater I couldn't agree more. I am still surprised that no bodies have turned up in his past, as in dead bodies, female or male. I still maintain Tur was giddy covering his rallies, and he liked her too. She said one little thing that was critical of him (i don't remember what it was), and he never forgave her. As for his cultists who went after her, they all deserve to die and burn in hell, along with trump. However, anybody who thinks she is comparable in any way to Maddow, we simply see different realities. Peace.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
75. As I said in another post in this thread: they are not at all equivalent in my mind
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:37 PM
Apr 2018

Maddow is deep, and deeply intelligent, both characteristics I prize.

Tur is engaging and quick, with an interesting backstory (her parents were the independent journalists manning the helicopter that covered the news in Los Angeles, including some notable historic riots) -- but beyond that, I just hope she grows more.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
84. Bullshit
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 12:16 AM
Apr 2018

Laughing? Yes. Like in a “can you believe this shit???? This guy is running for fucking President!” kind of way.

The joke was on America unfortunately.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
88. I think she was blindsided as we all were
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 02:21 AM
Apr 2018

This guy was pissing himself daily and it appeared to be a landslide was in the works. Who knew there were enough idiots and a few well placed Russian hackers to actually elect this buffoon?

A-Schwarzenegger

(15,596 posts)
89. I agree with that. I wish her well.
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 02:35 AM
Apr 2018

I suspect she'll get better as many have predicted. I sure had
my giggles at what i thought was an utter buffoon. My original
irk in this was that Maddow and Tur were linked, but Hekate
informed me she didn't mean to equate them as journalists.
I can't imagine what it must have been like to be riding the
insane whirwind of the trump carnival for a freaking year and
a half or whatever it was, and to be taunted, singled out, threatened
not only by Trump but by his rabid ignorant brownshirt misogynist
cultists. Peace, RIO.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
38. Ok to criticize Rachel if she has an off show
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:51 PM
Apr 2018

Which occasionally she does - though usually she's great.

Katy Tur is not in her league.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
39. Just to be clear: I never said they were in the same league, but both got slammed -- not criticized
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 05:56 PM
Apr 2018

Not criticized, but really slammed, within a couple of days. And I repeat, what is with that kind of overreaction?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
44. Gotcha
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 06:06 PM
Apr 2018

I didn't see the "slam" posts you are referencing - so I guess I shouldn't comment further.

 

blake2012

(1,294 posts)
43. Yes. Everything here I judge on its merits
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 06:04 PM
Apr 2018

I chose not to participate in the thread about Katy Tur, but I was thinking something like, “your assessment of her statements about partisanship don’t match at all your histrionic reaction of never forgiving Katy...yada yada”

BobTheSubgenius

(11,535 posts)
45. Rachel??? Are you kidding?
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 06:19 PM
Apr 2018

I have to admit that, not getting cable news channels here, I'm not at all familiar with KT, but I follow RM as I can.

Folks, the progressive side would not be as far along as it is today without Rachel Maddow. She also shows other, less professional and ethical newscasters how it's done in the big leagues.

DemoTex

(25,370 posts)
55. I like Katy and I like Rachel ..
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 07:24 PM
Apr 2018

And I have been on DU since May 2001, not that means a damn thing. And Hekate, "fickle" is rather kind .. IMO.

Pathwalker

(6,596 posts)
58. They got tired of going after Alex Witt & Stepthanie Ruhle?
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 08:11 PM
Apr 2018

(They disparaged their clothing choices.)
Haters gotta hate.

Response to Hekate (Original post)

rockfordfile

(8,682 posts)
67. You're joking? If not then it reads something like a trump supporter would write
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:17 PM
Apr 2018

Maddow is the best liberal on cable news. There aren't many.

bigtree

(85,917 posts)
72. you don't really watch her
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:22 PM
Apr 2018

...it's clear that you don't get more than a few minutes into her show before tuning out.

mcar

(42,210 posts)
64. I no longer get MSNBC
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:11 PM
Apr 2018

But I watch Joy Reid weekend evenings cause she is the best.

That said, I love kindly Doc Maddow ( Charlie Pierce), never saw Tur.

I watch CNN. That's what I get via Roku.

I don't get why people turn on TV hosts/pundits when they say one thing or do one interview they don't like. Look at the whole body of work, not just one interview.

bigtree

(85,917 posts)
70. saw something with Kur I didn't like yesterday
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:20 PM
Apr 2018

...remarked on it here.

Before we drew such stark lines with our opposition to Trump, we used to be able to be objective about the media without questioning our loyalties for doing so.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
73. Look, let's be honest
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:23 PM
Apr 2018

There are people here who think EVERYONE is out to get them.

Hell, I just got yelled at for posting a link to CNN instead of FOX in a thread and apparently I didn't do it right and am now a FAUX loving scum.

You have to tolerate a certain amount of very paranoid people here.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
77. Huge Rachel fan here. She's the best of many fine people on MSNBC.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:39 PM
Apr 2018

After her I like Joy, then maybe Lawrence and Ruhle, but I like most except
Tweety and Andrea Mitchell. Tur is young and she will get better.
But Rachel is different--she doesn't have panels--she faces the camera alone.
The info here on DU about her issues with depression made me respect her even
more. I can see the intelligence in her face.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
81. I don't understand why the two get
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 11:08 PM
Apr 2018

listed together like they're in the same league or something. A puzzle, for sure.

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