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Last edited Thu Apr 19, 2018, 07:34 AM - Edit history (1)
A representative for Shelby County Schools told local outlet FOX13 that students from Robert R. Church Elementary School had gotten into a fight, and the teacher had boarded the bus to intervene.
But video appears to show a tense situation made worse. Several children cowered in their seats as the unidentified teacher grabbed one student, who thrashed and screamed for his mother while the teacher pulled him down the aisle and off the bus ― mostly while the child was upside-down.
The student was identified by local news as the 7-year-old son of Memphis resident Kimberly Hardin. She shared the footage publicly on her Facebook page on Monday, encouraging others to spread the word.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/video-shows-memphis-7-year-old-dragged-off-school-bus-by-his-feet_us_5ad7b16de4b029ebe020a183
Won't need to tell you the race of the child or the race of the teacher who did this. Should be obvious based on 400 years of past practice. The parents were not contacted and only found out because another child recorded the video.
Updated article - http://wreg.com/2018/04/17/scs-employee-investigated-after-child-dragged-off-bus-by-feet/
SCLC involved.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)we know it's ingrained and THAT is even sicker!
I hope the parent nails the teacher, school, bus driver, bus owners, school district and anyone else she can think of. And I'm thinking good karma at her and the child.
Docreed2003
(16,889 posts)No adult, much less a teacher, should be allowed to treat a child in such a way...disturbing and despicable!
SkyDaddy7
(6,045 posts)I just dont understand people!?! Why couldnt that teacher just sit down on the bus seat next to that child for a few minutes, act calm & just allow things to deescalate? I guess Im different & maybe just not a MAN but I would get far more satisfaction out of taking 5-10 minutes if necessary & calming everyone down & resolving the problem in a peaceful manner that left the kids with a positive vibe of me...Not one where they hate me or are terrified when they see me. That is NOT RESPECT!!!
Race aside...It is like that teacher suffers from the same thing cops do...Their overwhelming need to be exerting total physical dominance 100% of the time! Then add race into the mix & it just makes an already out of control problem 1000X worse!!!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,804 posts)This recording was done by a child with a phone on the bus so there may be video from the same or other child of any altercation.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Very disturbing.
BumRushDaShow
(129,804 posts)Apparently the school system is trying to determine if the bus had any cameras and/or there is any other video recordings of what happened.
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)There were cameras. You can bet there were in this bus- if they have not erased them as they did in my case.- I brought charges and got the DA to prosecute the kids as the school did little...the perps were white you see...they were all convicted and tossed off the bus permanently and forbidden to play sports and some other stuff...warned by the judge if I see you again...off to reform school.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I'd be curious to know if they do exist and what they show - could make the awful behavior even worse if the fight was no big deal.
BumRushDaShow
(129,804 posts)has been taking down its Confederate statues and because of that, just yesterday, the TN state legislature stripped the city of $250,000 in funding.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Here's hoping things start to trend in a positive direction.
BumRushDaShow
(129,804 posts)and it won't happen overnight.
AllyCat
(16,248 posts)Corroborate the Districts story?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And fight can mean argument or punches or worse. I would be interested in seeing a video of what the supposed fight was, if such a thing exists.
tblue37
(65,502 posts)this abuse would be absolutely wrong even if he had be fighting, but if the idiot teacher just grabbed a black child to abuse, without bothering even to learn if he was involved in the fight, that would be even more revealing of his racist mindset.
yardwork
(61,737 posts)Dragging a 7 year old off a bus by his feet could cause head injuries.
Also, what are your thoughts on the school not notifying the parents?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)This is awful in every way. Not notifying the parents is scandalous.
The article mentions that there was a fight prior to this - I was wondering if there was video showing that.
tblue37
(65,502 posts)Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)fired and prosecuted. I taught for a number of years in inner city schools...and I can tell you I never behaved in this fashion.
christx30
(6,241 posts)terrible fits that require direct intervention. He has to be restrained to prevent him from hurting himself and others. Hes screaming out every kind of hateful, sexist, racist thing you can think of while trying to hurt you. Hes broken my wifes nose three times. Hes bitten me.
So I grab his arms and pin them to his side and my wife holds onto his legs to prevent him from kicking at us. After one bad fit where my son was threatening to stab my daughter, he spent a week in a mental hospital because my wife did not feel safe with him in the house. Ive been tempted to call the police.
It all just depends on the kids history. Does he do this kind of thing a lot? Does he pick fights with his classmates often? Does he respond when told to stop? Is he a danger to his classmates? Sometimes kids can be horrible little shots you cant just sit beside them and talk rationally with them. Sometimes they are selfish, destructive little jerks and they need to be controlled, for the good of everyone around them.
tblue37
(65,502 posts)control, not dragged by their feet. If a large male adult teacher pretends can't successfully control a tiny 7-year-old without harming him and dragging him by his feet, then that's because he wants the opportunity to drag him by his feet. It probably made his day.
christx30
(6,241 posts)so they could all get on with their day. Teacher lost his cool, which can happen to all of us. If I were the parent of the kid, Id be super apologetic toward the teacher. Might buy him a gift basket. The kid would be grounded for 3 weeks.
LAS14
(13,789 posts)It all depends on what happened before the video. See post #40 in this thread. My son teaches behaviorly challenged kids in special classrooms. I'm so glad I'm not a teacher today, having to deal with knee jerk self righteousness.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210513581#post40
keepleft101
(82 posts)The teacher actually looked calm. He made a poor judgment for sure. When the kid was holding onto the seat . He should of left his feet go and reached up and grabbed his shoulders again and carried him out.
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)it is abuse. Watch the video. The fight was over when the teacher entered the bus. The teacher escalated the situation and injured a student...fire him
oberliner
(58,724 posts)As opposed to something more violent - which I doubt it was. That's why I'd be interested in seeing video of the so-called fight if it exists.
Regardless of what the nature of the fight was, I agree with you on all points.
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)I don't care about the fight...no idea.... doesn't look like any big deal...but those kids on the bus look scared and rightfully so ...this school employee /teacher should be fired immediately and prosecuted.
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Laffy Kat
(16,391 posts)A teacher did this, a person who should be a symbol of trust and safety. I hope the teacher gets loses his job because he's in the wrong profession.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)terrifed. If someone the size of that teacher can not control little kids, they should seek other employment. Lucky nobody did that to one of my kids when they were that age. Oh, never happen. We are WHITE. Makes me wonder what happens when no cameras are running. Has Secretary of Education, Betsy De Vos seen this?
Igel
(35,383 posts)seemed either curious or amused.
It would help me to understand if I could understand what the one kid was screaming.
(Of course, context would help, too. I've seen videos where I have one reaction seeing the snippet posted, and another seeing the context. What's hard is when the small bit edited for one effect pre-sets my response upon seeing the rest of the video. It's hard to back down from the first judgment.)
BumRushDaShow
(129,804 posts)not teenagers or young adults. Keep that in mind.
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)LAS14
(13,789 posts)Ridiculous is thinking it's perfectly appropriate for any to drag 7 year olds upside down by their feet. In fact, I can't fathom minds that think this way and think that is a big reason the world is such a shitty place.
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)There truly are no circumstances where what happened would be appropriate. None.
LAS14
(13,789 posts)...with out of control children is limited.
I'm not saying this child was out of control. We just don't know. So enough with the knee-jerk self righteous criticism. Context. Facts. That's what progressives should be about.
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)dragging a 7-year-old out of a bus by his feet would be appropriate? I'll just wait here...
LAS14
(13,789 posts)...adult couldn't get a proper grip because of the confined space.
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)Further, there was no indication of any attack on other children. A typical 7-year-old weighs less than 50 lb. You can see the seat, the boy, and the man in that video. There was no need to drag him out by his feet. We can see the space that was available.
Dragging a child by his or her feet is unacceptable in any situation. Period. Injuries are likely anytime that is done. So, your argument fails.
There is no circumstance where that method of removal is appropriate. That child was not in a position to do harm to anyone at that point. He was in the seat alone, and his exit was blocked by the man. He was, apparently, injured by the removal.
Time to rethink. That's what was needed. The kid couldn't go anywhere, so there was no rush to act.
LAS14
(13,789 posts)1. We don't know what happened before. Or, we don't know from the video, which is what I'm working from.
2. Being held upside down is not the worst thing that can happen. It doesn't warrant this kind of reaction. We seem to have lost the ability to bring perspective to our judgments.
OK. I'm done.
BumRushDaShow
(129,804 posts)He wasn't just "held upside down". He was dragged out of the seat down the aisle with his heading scraping the floor and bouncing down the steps.
This is what happens when POC don't "comply", not unlike this -
LAS14
(13,789 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,804 posts)and in that case, it was a grown man who suffered injuries when that was done to him, and he wasn't even "upside down" with his head slamming along the aisle and down the steps of a bus.
But I know they have shown that many whites don't think that blacks "feel pain" so this is par for the course.
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)"The child was uncontrollably physically attacking other children." Where did you pull that from? If you are working from the video then you are clearly wrong, the video shows nothing of the sort. Being dragged off a bus by your feet at 7 years old (or any age) is quite harsh, would have preferred the kid to be water boarded or punched in the face? Would that meet your criteria?
LAS14
(13,789 posts)NickB79
(19,277 posts)He has no right getting into that situation in the first place.
I've seen 100 lb women deal with bigger, more violent kids than this without giving them concussions.
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)would have...CYA...and there are multiple videos showing the kids cowering in the corner as he is dragged out of his seat screaming. Not only do I want this jerk fired, I want him prosecuted.
chillfactor
(7,587 posts)what a despicable behavior by a so-called "teacher"
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)Real tough guy. Try dragging someone your own size off the bus you fucking coward.
avebury
(10,953 posts)Per the article above: She (the mother) said her son was left with bruises and a concussion from hitting his head.
i would hope that the mother called the police and demanded that charges be filed against the teacher.
BumRushDaShow
(129,804 posts)avebury
(10,953 posts)and notifying the police and a parent demanding that the assailant (in this case a teacher) be charged with assaulting the child. The article did not clarify if the notification was strictly the school administration or if it also included the police.
She also should be going after the school district for failing to notify her of the incident. If at least one of the kids on the bus had not had the where withal to video the incident there would have been no proof of what happened. Even the mother didn't believe her son until someone else showed her the video.
Although, personally I would think that the bruises and concussion should have been enough to send the mother to the school demanding answers to what happened because there was sure enough physical evidence that something did happen.
BumRushDaShow
(129,804 posts)and I only found out about it listening to Joe Madison on SiriusXM this morning, so looked it up. From what I have heard, the mother didn't even know this happened until the video was posted because she said the school only said that her son was "kicked off the bus".
Here is a local news station article with what has happened since -
http://wreg.com/2018/04/17/scs-employee-investigated-after-child-dragged-off-bus-by-feet/
The SCLC is involved now.
avebury
(10,953 posts)it to the school district. They certainly did not talk to the child's mother about the incident. If they had talked to the police, the police as a part of their investigation, would have talked to the mother. Had there been no video evidence of the incident there is a good chance that the school would have tried to brush the incident under a rug so to speak.
The mother should definitely be consulting an attorney. If I were her I would be looking for the following at a minimum:
1. That the teacher be fired.
2. There needs to be further consequences to the school employees that failed to notify the mother of the incident. Finding out that one of their students has been injured and then failing to obtain appropriate medical assistance for the child is not acceptable. Failure to determine that the child has a concussion and handling it accordingly could have had more serious consequences. So much for their claim to be concerned about the safety of their students.
3. Monetary settlement. Her child looked pretty traumatized in that video and she might need to get him some counseling. That costs money.
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)tblue37
(65,502 posts)checked after she found out what had happened. The bruises on his back wouldn't show while he was dressed, so if he took a bath without help and changed to pyjamas, she wouldn't see the bruises without checking under his shirt for them. Other bruises could be assumed to be typical effects of exuberant playing.
AllyCat
(16,248 posts)Horrible, horrible treatment.
keepleft101
(82 posts)he would be in serious trouble. Not listening to authority. Disrespecting a teacher and not following direction. My guess is this child is one of the kids involved in the fight.
I feel for these teachers today. Put in these difficult situations. Did the teacher handle this completely wrong when the child wouldn't listen. Yea, teacher screwed up big time! They should have removed all the kids off the bus. If the child still wouldn't leave then have school counselor try and get the child off the bus. If that didn't work have the police remove the child.
Now the teacher will be punish for his actions and rightfully so. But it can not be easy teaching in this day & age.
avebury
(10,953 posts)punishment for whatever sin he transgressed on the school bus.
BumRushDaShow
(129,804 posts)Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)than find a new fucking job...you ever notice we don't see white kids dragged off the bus by their feet?
BumRushDaShow
(129,804 posts)black children are considered "animals" to some whites.
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)treated like a dog...no wait I treat my dog better. In one picture he is laying on the ground half in and half out...he looks unconscious.
BumRushDaShow
(129,804 posts)Most dog owners value their dogs WAY WAY better than these people valued the life of this child.
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)three Poms and a Jack Russell ...the Pom taught her to be a Pom...have you ever seen a Jack Russell that acts like a Pom? Pretty funny.
BumRushDaShow
(129,804 posts)Am trying to envision a Jack Russell trying to comply with that tall order!!
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,804 posts)Every time I think of Jacks (one of my old co-workers has one) I think of this -
B2G
(9,766 posts)All I've seen is the video.
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 19, 2018, 06:36 PM - Edit history (1)
I can't find the original one. I can't post this but here is the link...it shows a much better view of the situation. The boy is screaming for his Mom and you can hear this...and he had a concussion. Dreadful.
https://www.whio.com/news/national/video-shows-year-old-boy-dragged-off-school-bus-his-feet/ZrpQqajofXpaSbvPlQsrNK/
B2G
(9,766 posts)Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)On your other thread too.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)d_r
(6,907 posts)the way that man handled that child was inexcusable.
Crunchy Frog
(26,695 posts)Much of the time I don't even recognize this place anymore.
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)was inexcusable! It was abuse and the teacher should be fired. I hope the boy's family sues him.
oasis
(49,434 posts)Sancho
(9,070 posts)teachers (and employees) are usually taught nowadays to never touch students. There's simply too much litigation. It's too bad, because sometimes a hug or pat on the shoulder is appropriate. This teacher will likely be punished or fired, but who knows?
In some rural districts where I've taught it would not be perceived as badly as you may think. I've also been frustrated by a tantrum or fight with no where to stop the bus or no easy way to get the kids to stop. In some communities, they still paddle kids and parents have no problem with "handling" children. Upper elementary and middle school age are particularly difficult when they get physical.
It's not an excuse for hauling the kid around, but there could be a reason that the teacher lost his cool. We don't know the context - maybe fights on this bus had occurred before, maybe this child had a history, or maybe the bus was holding up the line and cars were backed-up into the road. Believe it or not, some situations allow hands-on, but it's tricky.
In today's schools, it's really hard to deal with a tantrum kid. Why? You can't grab them or hold them down, but they may be doing something that can harm themselves or others. If you call the Resource Officer, you can bet the kid will be handcuffed or taken to the juvenile assessment center no matter how young.
My wife had a large kid this year (5th grade; music class) who was seriously harming another child - and calls to the office were not working. A coach and another teacher had to jump in and risk being sued or fired to physically hold the 150 lb child down. If you don't intervene and someone gets hurt, you get sued anyway.
Dragging the child upside down is not in the teacher's manual, but you have to remember that teaching is not a great profession right now. The pay is bad, and the best college students go into other employment. The number of weak teachers, and under-trained teachers is growing rapidly as my baby-boomer generation retires. There are lots of "alternative teachers" without good training hired to "fill a spot" when there are shortages. For all we know, this teacher just got back from Iraq and is on an emergency certificate? In my view, a lot of the "teacher problems" are being driven by lower standards for becoming a teacher. Again, I'd like to know the context.
With this video going public, the school figure it out.
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)is never acceptable. I an 5 foot 3 and have broken up plenty of fights in my time as a teacher.
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)the video shows no imminent danger- by his feed and received a concussion...any otherkids go to the hospital?...and believe me if the camera showed anything that would help this teacher, it would be out.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)I'm just wondering about the context.
We all know the teacher will likely be fired and/or charged.
In my experience (three states, going on 40 years), I wouldn't break up a fight or grab a kid unless it was to protect myself or others. I'm surprised that the teachers are not informed to act that way.
Either this teacher was not following school policy or teacher training, or else he was wearing the label of teacher without the proper background.
keepleft101
(82 posts)the school would not release the video if the bus was filming. It would be against the law. The kid that was filming the video must have edited the video and cut off the beginning. You can tell the teacher was talking with the child first trying to have the child walk off on his own.
The other thing is the teacher, while showing poor judgment, did not show angry or was not being aggressive with trying to remove the child. He was actually pretty calm. He tried to take the child by the arm but the child pulled away and threw his feet up. Then he tried to carry the kid but the child was grabbing the seat with his hands pulling away and then grabbing the bottom of the seats so he couldn't remove him.
If I was the parent of this child I would be embarrassed. I would be at the school with my kid and I would have him write an apology letter to this teacher. I would have him apologize in person also. Teach the kid to show respect. Use this as a learning tool. Kids make mistakes.
But you know that wont happen. Instead the parent will complain to the school. Maybe sue. The kid will think he was justified in his actions.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)The kid thinks he was justified in his actions.
You dont even know what those actions may have been. You are having some knee jerk authoritarian response to a 7 year old posing no threat to anyone when he was yanked out of that seat and left with bruises and a concussion.
That should embarrass you.
BumRushDaShow
(129,804 posts)The "kid" is 7 years old and the child who filmed it is probably around the same age. They are not master "editors". Most are still learning how to read (I think they were 2nd graders).
keepleft101
(82 posts)I worded that wrong. I mean they didnt show the video from the start. It was only a couple of seconds before he reach to remove the child. When I say edit I mean they are only showing that part of the video. We dont know how long he tried to talk the child of the bus first.
BumRushDaShow
(129,804 posts)Repeat after me. CHILD CHILD CHILD CHILD. Not ADULT.
I know that many people think black children are little animals, but maybe take in consideration that they are young human beings.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)You don't drag a kid off a school by his feet even if he can't be talked off the bus.
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)if he wasn't angry...you shouldn't defend this....it was despicable.. I would never ask my kid to apologize to a man who deliberately injured him. That is not discipline, it is abuse. I would file charges. I had three kids on a bus prosecuted because they sent my son to the hospital in Georgia. They jumped him. The school tried to claim my son provoked it, but he didn't. I had been to school twice about the harassment and surprise they lost the bus video...those kids were found guilty and stopped harassing my son as a result. My son was four years younger as the elementary rode with middle school then...but after what happened they ended that practice. So they were miserable bullies. Never believe any school has your kids' best interest at heart...some do and some don't. You have to be your child's advocate. I also gave the AJC an interview and the next year, we had a new principle who implemented anti-bullying measures.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)I know a teacher and I have heard horror-stories about elementary-school children that clearly have mental issues, that are violent, that scream and make trouble because they want attention, that keep the other children from taking part in the lesson, that are a threat to themselves and to other children.
And teachers are not allowed to touch such children in any way or else they risk losing their job.
What was the fight about?
How did it break out?
How did it end?
Was the boy a threat to himself or others?
Was the boy disturbing other children?
What would have happened if the teacher had not removed the boy?
In what other way could the teacher have removed the boy physically?
What would you have done in that situation? Oh, you can't tell? Maybe because you don't know what the situation even was?
BumRushDaShow
(129,804 posts)not teens or grown adults.
I know some people think that 12 year old Tamir Rice had to be a "grown man" because of how he looked and that justified his killing for playing with his sister in the park with a toy gun, but that is part of the problem.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The narrative that children act like children, and in this case so did the adult?
Disrupt, indeed...
FailureToCommunicate
(14,027 posts)dragged upside down off the bus by the "teacher"?
I hope that's not what you mean to imply.
LAS14
(13,789 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 19, 2018, 06:02 PM - Edit history (1)
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)head. That was not removal but assault. And no kid deserves such treatment ever.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Maybe the teacher is a horrible person...and maybe the bus is in the middle of the road blocking traffic and causing a danger while the kid has a tantrum.
I'm still wondering about the teacher's background? When teachers act outlandishly, I check to see how they became a teacher.
LAS14
(13,789 posts)... they ARE allowed to restrain kids physically, including taking them to the ground. They're taught how. If the law actually prevents a teacher from touching a child no matter what their behavior, then we're really in trouble. Context is everything. Too bad we don't have the beginning of the video. But I didn't see the adult hurting the child. Merely removing him. See this post.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210513581#post40
Sancho
(9,070 posts)and we were taught when and where to physically hold, restrain, or remove them. Always two adults in the room with that group too.
In some school settings, teachers are told to avoid touching students in almost all cases. What used to be normal teacher-student interaction has become difficult.
Sometimes teachers can be accused of inappropriate touching, and teachers get sued for perceived injuries (including humiliation), or charged with abuse.
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)I am sure he was" skeery" Black boy( sarcasm)
FailureToCommunicate
(14,027 posts)bringing a bit of what POC have always had to experience into the light.
On the flip side, sadly, cell phones in the hands of racist ("scared" whites seems to be bringing lethal force down disproportionately on POC.
Good thing in this case that some schoolkid filmed the awful encounter. Hope the kid can heal from the trauma...and the mom sues the the teacher for all his worthless ass possesses.
keepleft101
(82 posts)How is he a racist thug? Thats a big jump from a teacher showing poor judgment removing an out of control kid. If the kid was white he would have done the same thing. Bringing race into this is a joke unless you have proof there was racist remarks or the teacher has a history of racist actions.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,027 posts)the leg off the bus, causing injury. And maybe that would have happened.
I was lumping this thug in with 98% of the examples of unjustified overbearing force used where the victim is a minority and the cop,
teacher, store clerk, whatever, is white.
So, sure, in THIS case maybe the guy isn't racist. He's just a thug. And hopefully soon, a thug with an asault conviction.
keepleft101
(82 posts)If you cant see by the video the kid was out of control then you are only seeing what you want. The kid wouldn't leave on his own. The kid pulled away when he tried to escort him by his arm. The kid grabbed the seat when he tried to carry him by his full body (not just his legs)
If that was my kid I would be so embarrassed by how my child acted.
It would be one thing if the teacher was being aggressive and throwing the kid around.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)I can't even begin to understand where you are coming from.
marble falls
(57,405 posts)been wise.
radical noodle
(8,016 posts)Teachers are not supposed to give students concussions. I might be embarrassed by the actions of my child, but the actions of the teacher are much, much worse as he is an adult who should know better.
BTW, my husband is a retired teacher and my daughter is a special ed teacher so I know the difficulties they face. Neither would resort to this with a little kid like this.
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)Now I left the profession in 08 in order to go into business (needed money) so I have no recent experience.
Crunchy Frog
(26,695 posts)And that you never do.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)keepleft101
(82 posts)I thank you very much.
I also had a older bully start a fight with my kid when he asked this kid to stop picking on a even younger child. Its how I know the school cant release the video if they have one.
I raised a stepson and have an 11th grader & an 7th grader. Too be honest Im a complete push over with the kids.
To question my parenting because I would be embarrassed that my child acted that way with a teacher is confusing.
I have stated several times the teacher was wrong with the way they handled it. Once they grabbed the legs of the child and started dragging him.
That still does not excuse the way the child acted. There is obviously issues with the parenting of that child. That is the parent you should be questioning. Just as much as the teacher.
I have 3 kids and not one of them to this point (knock on wood) have been in trouble once at school. I never received feedback that they were rude or smart with teachers. They have & do all play sports with their schools. All have decent grades ( not the best) but decent grades.
Im completely involved in all of their lives. Coaching their youth teams, doing homework with them, reading them books at night, semi PTO involvement, volunteered at the school ...etc. My 17 year old wrote his hero paper on me when he was in 7th grade and I found out this past weekend that my youngest in 7th grade now is also doing it one me. So even with my laid back parenting style I must be doing something right. I don't want to sound like Im bragging or boasting but it seriously pisses me off someone who doesn't know me because I disagree with them questions my parenting. I always said if there is anything I want on my tombstone is that I was a good parent.
Not even sure why I care what the heck you think. I just don't like your condescending tone
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Bringing race into this is not a fucking joke. I lived in Memphis for a few years while my kids were in elementary school. If you think racism isnt an issue in Memphis, especially in the schools, then you have no clue what you are talking about.
I can only imagine how much worse its gotten since Trump showed up to embolden racist assholes.
malaise
(269,239 posts)Sick
BumRushDaShow
(129,804 posts)When I heard Joe Madison mention "where" and what happened, I knew. In fact he even mentioned when he first heard of it and was about to view the video, he implored to himself "Please God don't let that be what I think it is".
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)I have never heard of such a case.
S.E. TN Liberal
(508 posts)This teacher, in addition to getting himself fired, (if there is any justice in Tennessee), also just got a huge lawsuit laid upon his school district.
School districts need to know the kind of people they are hiring.
Taxpayers are going to be paying legal costs for the school plus whatever the settlement becomes.
Every taxpayer ought to realize they are also going to be paying for this kind of behavior.
BumRushDaShow
(129,804 posts)Same situation here in Philly.
The egregious behavior of "public servants" whether cops or in this case, "teachers" means civil lawsuits galore, although probably 90+% are settled before getting to any trial.
But you can imagine what that money payout could have been used for.
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)closed rooms as a teacher and you are not allowed to injure a child...we had padded rooms for some kids so they wouldn't hurt themselves. You immediately call the parents. And the fact, they did not call the boy's Mom shows they knew what they did was wrong...didn't count on little kids having cell phones I guess. Special ed is the most litigated part of education so those talking about the in my opinion violent methods used in the classrooms are either wrong or heading for a major lawsuit.
BumRushDaShow
(129,804 posts)When I first got out of college, while I was job-hunting I became a science substitute teacher and was assigned to a school that was all special needs children (and a junior high class to boot).
Being junior high and going through puberty is bad enough. But what I found was that kids sense when you care and respect them and I was able to take a "disruptive" class of children (according to other teachers) and have them not only have fun but learn too by being able to participate in activities like taking care of the class aquarium that had been let to foul, and planting seeds for plants that they could take home (where all the supplies for these types of things were locked up, never used, and gathering dust).
B2G
(9,766 posts)Someone, likely her, called out for assistance.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)And taken all the other kids to a different bus.
The teacher or bus driver shouldn't have to deal with kids who are a physical threat and this kid was putting the other kids in danger.
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)In many cases the police are called and they take care of the situation but teachers and bus drivers should not be put into a situation where they have to figure out how to restrain out of control kids.
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)school person came...This happens to Black kids ...I hope the school person is fired and prosecuted. Also, no decent person would consider dragging a kid headfirst and bruising him and bumping his head on the hard floor and stairs...giving the child a concussion ...all the while the kid is calling for his Mom...heartbreaking and horrible...this kid was treated like an animal not a child.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)They deliberately didn't call the mother.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)Instead, that would have been ok?
Of course not, then you'd be here saying the teachers should be trained to handle these types of situations. I've seen kids his age punch their moms right in the face and left them bleeding...then what?
Demsrule86
(68,736 posts)but many schools have a from the classroom to prison program for Black kids...where they press charges for school offences. And based on what I have seen, many Black kids are singled out for discipline ...where other white kids are not...same offences. The school called the kid a liar until the video emerged...and the kid taking he video was suspended hmmmm.