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The Polack MSgt
(13,200 posts)we have flipped 39 state leg seats and a state legislative chamber since Trump.
That is some tasty facts
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Who knew?
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George II
(67,782 posts)....the republican side of the polls?
Egnever
(21,506 posts)and the last data point is june 2017 after the election and trump in office and the trend is down.
The republicans are in worse shape https://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/republican-party-favorable-rating
but again better than bad is not health.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)John never called the democratic party a failure. Nor do I.
We clearly have work to do on many fronts though and the idea this person somehow schooled him because he wants to reach out and find ways to help improve the party is ridiculous.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Didn't call the Democratic party a failure?
cilla4progress
(24,791 posts)Heard him discuss his planned docupod series on Pod Save America yesterday. Plan to call in..Love that podcast!
flygal
(3,231 posts)something more positive. Forward thinking. You know, progressive.
George II
(67,782 posts)Almost as though there's nothing RIGHT with the Democratic Party. What makes Jon Favreau an expert on the Democratic Party anyway?
Egnever
(21,506 posts)that said he did work in the white house.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)that one is in.
There is a difference.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)he worked in the white house he worked Obamas campaign almost from the beginning he has since launched a successful podcast network that focuses on politics and the Dem party.
what in your mind makes one an expert?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I simply pointed out that serving in an administration doesn't make one an expert in party leadership.
Is that clearer?
again what makes one an expert?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Care to be more specific?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Or an expert in general?
And expert in the party history?
An expert on election strategy?
An expert on policy?
Again.... expertise can be specific, and simply participating isn't enough to make one "an expert."
Which may have many different nuances and definitions.
Please be specific.
Vague questions don't show one has put much thought into a concept, but rather simply challenging another person, and leaving room to change the goal posts.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)seems you don't want to answer the question
What makes one an expert on the democratic party?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You might as well ask, "What makes one an expert on families?"
Can't answer the question, so you call the person asking silly.
One can't articulate an emotional response, so it's not surprising one one can't even clarify one's question.
George II
(67,782 posts)....rather than what's right? To me and many that gives the impression that nothing is good or right.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)And work towards fixing it which is what Jon is trying to do.
I don't agree with everything he says but I do appreciate that he is actually looking to get input and work towards improvement instead of pretending that because we are winning elections currently in the face of Trump somehow everything is ok.
Trump will be gone eventually and what bogyman will we rely on then? I would much rather we don't bury our head in the sand and pretend everything is just peachy because we are currently winning elections.
The public overall is not happy with either party and if we don't do some serious soul searching and do something about it we will be right back to losing in no time.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Can you specify?
Egnever
(21,506 posts)The party is in trouble despite the wins we are currently getting. We are winning right now because trump is that bad. His party is not turning out and ours is. That is not a recipe for long term success.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I think that her vantage point as DLCC Exec Director gives her a much broader and more accurate view of the upcoming elections, and what is going right and wrong in reality.
What expertise do you have concerning the Democratic Party that allows you to "see reality" concerning the state of Democratic candidates more so than Post?
What part of this is "not seeing reality?"
Egnever
(21,506 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Can you specify where she "misses reality" in her tweet?
Or is it the fact that she's not bashing the party that she's "not seeing reality?"
sheshe2
(84,005 posts)Love those tasty facts.
Go Dems!
Thank you ehrnst.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Not seeing it.
Wins do not mean the democratic party has no issues. It just means the other party is worse.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)The article that he is referencing is what her response is about.
I hope that clarifies things.
Link to tweet
Egnever
(21,506 posts)the first paragraph..
Meanwhile
https://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/democratic-party-favorable-rating
The Dem party is in trouble. Just not as much as the Republicans https://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/republican-party-favorable-rating and absent another party that might be enough but healthy it ain't.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And politely dealing with the bashing of Hillary and the party later in the article - if you read down a little.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)and horribly so.
We are currently winning mostly because people are so repulsed by Trump. His party turnout is depressed and ours is energized. It is not because we are in good health we are just not as bad as the other guy and our base is motivated.
When trump is gone that motivation will be gone and if we don't do something to work on our favorability as a party in general we will be right back to losing.
Jon was nice and didn't push back but he was not schooled by any means. If anything it seems to be a warning sign that this woman is not doing much more than cheer leading and that is a problem.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I'm not seeing that she is.
I would think that being the executive director of the DLCC gives her access to way more expertise (that word again...) than someone who is not, concerning data and strategy on the upcoming races, realistically speaking.
Don't you?
Egnever
(21,506 posts)and yet again we are currently winning because the republican party is losing, That will not last that is not long term health. That is purely a function of Trump.
Our base is motivated because Trump and the republicans are such a shit show right now. Their base is currently depressed for the same reason.
Meanwhile both parties are horribly unpopular.
We need to fix ours. This person (and you) seems to think that cause we are currently winning everything is just great and it most certainly is not.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And please define "health of the party" if it doesn't include winning races, and why her tweet "misses reality."
Are her statistics wrong? Where is she "horribly wrong" in that tweet?
You still haven't specified that.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)if you haven't got it by now you never will.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)or how she "misses reality" by giving statistics, offering updated ones and offering to go on his podcast.
Just a bunch of vague proclamations that you are the only one here who "sees reality," asking people repeatedly about what "makes an expert?"
Apparently anyone who isn't bashing the Democratic party as "a failure" fits the description of "missing reality" and is "horribly wrong" where you are concerned, even if you can't articulate why.
Especially if they have some real expertise on how things are going in elections around the country - which you say is "no indication of the health of the party."
Egnever
(21,506 posts)only winning!
the rest is your own projection.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)She's offering to talk with him, as someone who is up to speed on nationwide elections and strategy - which is her job.
The article bashes the party, and peripherally Hillary, and she is offering her actual expertise to him, as he is asking the general public to do.
Is that clearer?
I think your "she's wrong and horribly so" is the projection.
Cha
(297,935 posts)following how it was stolen from her and us.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)1) They don't have huge media conglomerates dedicated to bashing the other side 24/7/365 like Republicans have with talk radio, Fox News, One America, Sinclair and a large majority of the country's newspapers. You live in Small Town USA and hear nothing but Fox News and RW radio for 20 years, and it takes its toll.
2) They don't have megabucks donors dedicated to destroying the other side by throwing hundreds of millions of dollars at elections like Republicans have with the Koch Brothers and others (is Richard Mellon Scaife still around?) Sure, George Soros gave a few million to MoveOn in 2004 and a few million more a few years later, but those donations are what the Kochs give monthly, not to mention Sheldon Adelson and others also giving.
3) Democrats are never as organized as Republicans - it's almost impossible for Democrats to get out and repeat the same talking points like Republicans do all the damn time.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)I think it's less about being less organized than it is about being both honest and diverse. We have and respect different perspectives and views and we don't march around in lockstep lying our asses off because that's the party line. That makes it much harder to present a cohesive message - but it also makes us not be lying demagogues willing to say and do anything it takes to win.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)the Dem party trying to play fair is a big disadvantage but not one I would give up.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)constituency ranges from those who aren't particularly sophisticated to those who don't care that their politicians are lying so long as they win. I'd say that's what makes it easy for republicans to appear to be organized. They are lazy ass motherfuckers, and they'll say shit that pops into their head off the cuff and they don't even maintain a consistency at an individual level, let alone a party level, but they can suddenly pretend like we were always at war with East Asia and nobody will bat an eye. They aren't beholden to what they said last week, let alone what they said or voted for a year or years back.
R B Garr
(17,009 posts)media drone. Constant undermining and badmouthing, and Democrats are still winning.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)the megabucks that aren't really serving them anyway. They don't call out the media as a corporate tool. And pointing to the fact that Trump is finally winning us elections doesn't necessarily speak to us doing things right.
question everything
(47,568 posts)in a cutout of her, after his man - Obama - won?
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/12/favreaus-sexist-photo-is-no-laughing-matter
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)conversation the same way I would LOVE to discuss what color to paint my kitchen walls, but NOT until I put the fire out in the living room.
Jon is a good guy, worked for Obama, etc. He is youthful and might want to remind people that no matter what he thinks is wrong, that everybody must vote for Democrats no matter what.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Cha
(297,935 posts)the healthy way to go!
Thanks for Jessica, ehrnst!