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comradebillyboy

(10,119 posts)
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:13 PM Apr 2018

Nina Turner: Americans Should Be Concerned About Cohen FBI Raid Going Too Far

Americans Should Be Concerned About Cohen FBI Raid Going Too Far, Fmr Dem Lawmaker Says

Civil rights activist and former Ohio state senator Nina Turner said Sunday on CNN’s State of the Union that Americans should have “some concern” about how the FBI is running its probe into Trump lawyer Michael Cohen.

It wasn’t the most enthusiastic defense of Cohen, but worth pointing out since Turner is a Democrat and a Bernie Sanders ally. Host Jake Tapper asked her about what she thought about the FBI’s raid on Cohen last Monday. She said it concerned her a “little” and it remained to be seen if there were any abuses, but, she added, “certainly, throughout the history of this country, especially where it comes to African-American folks, I mean, Black Panthers, Dr. King, Malcolm X, and other civil rights freedom fighters. You can see that sometimes the government can go too far in its effort and be skewed one way.”

https://lawandcrime.com/politics/americans-should-be-concerned-about-cohen-fbi-raid-going-too-far-says-fmr-dem-lawmaker/

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Nina Turner: Americans Should Be Concerned About Cohen FBI Raid Going Too Far (Original Post) comradebillyboy Apr 2018 OP
Americans should ignore Nina Turner. Squinch Apr 2018 #1
Yup. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #7
She is practicing fox news style sensationalism. FarPoint Apr 2018 #76
Truth orangecrush Apr 2018 #81
+1000 stonecutter357 Apr 2018 #129
ffs, this is incoherent babble! Her false equivalencies R B Garr Apr 2018 #2
Its not really a false equivalency Nevernose Apr 2018 #13
Please. It is totally incoherent. She obviously has no R B Garr Apr 2018 #19
Hes under investigation for his Trumpco qualifications: Nevernose Apr 2018 #28
You can waste your time parroting Trumps CONCERNS R B Garr Apr 2018 #31
I literally called Trump and Cohen crooks Nevernose Apr 2018 #37
This is very contrived. Im certainly not going to be a CONCERN R B Garr Apr 2018 #43
Excellent points. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #30
She is a traitor to progressives to give aid and comfort to Trump. screw Nina. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #51
"I dislike cherry pie. Really do dislike it. Not to my taste. But I do like all food." LanternWaste Apr 2018 #151
The laws have to protect everyone equally. Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #23
It is a total false equivalency. Her statement is ignorant R B Garr Apr 2018 #25
I was responding to your dismissal based on the character of the individuals involved - Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #27
If the FBI had developed information that the guy is crooked, raiding him is legitimate. Blue_true Apr 2018 #34
You have no facts backing up your claims Gothmog Apr 2018 #132
The point is that she was connecting Cohen pnwmom Apr 2018 #42
Nina Turner is a troll no doubt in my mind.. Cha Apr 2018 #49
Yeah, they haven't admitted a mistake because their actions were deliberate. n/t pnwmom Apr 2018 #56
Exactly, pnwmom.. Cha Apr 2018 #78
👍 redstateblues Apr 2018 #87
I'll raise you one.. Cha Apr 2018 #89
"Jill Stein,NINA TURNER, Cornel West, Susan Sarandon, Killer Mike". oasis Apr 2018 #150
All they can be relied on is Cha Apr 2018 #153
Anyone here who dismisses concerns about the warrants Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #62
I don't think that's what the poster was doing. The poster was objecting to her pnwmom Apr 2018 #64
Raising the freedom fighters as an example of when the FBI overstepped its bounds Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #72
Technically, it doesn't mean that. But knowing Nina Turner and her past actions, pnwmom Apr 2018 #74
It is no such thing. kcr Apr 2018 #108
Again you are wrong Gothmog Apr 2018 #156
Judge Wood is a District Court judge. Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #158
You are still comoletely and utterly wrong Gothmog Apr 2018 #159
You seem to be very invested in your own misinterpretations. R B Garr Apr 2018 #122
There's a lot of poor reading comprehension going on here. Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #124
Same to you, because it is you who is deliberately R B Garr Apr 2018 #127
Cohen had been subpoened and faile to produce documents the FBI knew cohen had Gothmog Apr 2018 #133
I dismiss it entirely. You have to have compelling evidence in order to get such a warrant...and Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #48
This has nothing to do with Nina Turner, Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #57
It has everything to do with Nina Turner because she was the one who decided pnwmom Apr 2018 #71
You have reviewed everything, Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #75
I read about the hearing presided over by Judge Kimba Wood, pnwmom Apr 2018 #82
More very deliberate misinterpretations... R B Garr Apr 2018 #125
I agree about the false comparison... Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #85
The DOJ followed the correct procedure Gothmog Apr 2018 #53
You know all of the details, Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #58
I am a lawyer and i have been following this closely Gothmog Apr 2018 #97
The issue raised wasn't whether the correct policy was followed Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #113
Turner's analysis is non existant and a joke Gothmog Apr 2018 #117
Not the first time Turner has come out with some absurd comment meant to harm the party. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #134
Turner hates the Democratic Party Gothmog Apr 2018 #137
Talk about a bad time to hate our party, nazis are in the WH Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #138
Is Nina Turner still shielded by DU rules? Personally... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #147
Nina is full of it with her phony concern about the FBI. R B Garr Apr 2018 #136
BTW did you even read Turner"s rant Gothmog Apr 2018 #99
You're fixated on Turner. Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #114
Judge Kimba Wood validated the procedures used by the DOJ Gothmog Apr 2018 #115
Good on Judge Kimba Wood! Turner is WRONG.. shocking Cha Apr 2018 #118
Judge Kimba Woods confirmed that the DOJ followed proper procedure Gothmog Apr 2018 #111
Following proper procedure does not necessarily preclude overreach. Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #126
Do you tire of being wrong? Gothmog Apr 2018 #131
Really?! It was a round table discussion on a Sunday R B Garr Apr 2018 #123
Nina Turner has gone from being openly skeptical of the Russian investigation Cha Apr 2018 #46
I would state my full opinion. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #55
So the guy who called me "crooked Hillary" had his office raided by the FBI today Cha Apr 2018 #77
Neener Neerer Nina sheshe2 Apr 2018 #80
It's killing her. Got to pump up those trump poll numbers.. Cha Apr 2018 #84
A real poll! sheshe2 Apr 2018 #86
Si verdad! Cha Apr 2018 #88
Hey Cha. Great find! Those are great Tweets. She is not R B Garr Apr 2018 #93
I like "faux-prog frauds" -- good description! betsuni Apr 2018 #96
Precisely, betsuni Cha Apr 2018 #98
True, sounds like something on a French menu. betsuni Apr 2018 #100
+1 dalton99a Apr 2018 #121
Putin Troll JI7 Apr 2018 #3
'Zactly.. useful to trump and corp media.. Cha Apr 2018 #47
A despicable Russian troll Cary Apr 2018 #59
AT a MINIMUM our party including HERE we MUST expose russian trolls and Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #135
lol wut WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2018 #4
I believe we should be concerned about it not going far enough. spanone Apr 2018 #5
So True!!! PunksMom Apr 2018 #6
she must think blacks are pretty stupid if she thinks that load of BS is going to garner Takket Apr 2018 #8
When Nina talks, black people be like: EffieBlack Apr 2018 #18
No kidding.. Classic! I've seen Cha Apr 2018 #20
I certainly hope so! nt ProudLib72 Apr 2018 #36
Nina Turner is useful to trump and corp media.. Cha Apr 2018 #9
The more I see of Tapper the less I like him. comradebillyboy Apr 2018 #14
Says someone with no law degree and has never even been to law school PSPS Apr 2018 #10
I'm always concerned about civil liberties & privacy. But having read the analysis of this event... Journeyman Apr 2018 #11
"Good of Ms. Turner to raise the question." LenaBaby61 Apr 2018 #65
I don't believe her support of Hillary was ever genuine dansolo Apr 2018 #104
You'd probably be guessing right. Nina dumped Hillary and hitched on oasis Apr 2018 #143
Just stop, Nina. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #12
I have some concerns as well. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #15
Oh Lord Ill be glad when shes a historical footnote ismnotwasm Apr 2018 #16
Should I be Nina? I'm an American and I am not concerned in the least. Oh well, what cha gonna do? poboy2 Apr 2018 #17
Their new found concern for "African-American folks" is touching 4now Apr 2018 #21
Cohen is African-American? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #22
No shit. She crammed an awful lot of "keywords" into that brief statement Wwcd Apr 2018 #33
Exactly! Word salad is a great description. She was just R B Garr Apr 2018 #45
I read that only a small percentage of money raised has been spent on Campaigns Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #50
Flying private & first class probably. Wwcd Apr 2018 #61
Excellent post...You are exactly right. She is living the good life on donations and the price of Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #83
Yup. We saw their truth early on. That has always been "who they are". Wwcd Apr 2018 #92
I saw this in the morning so I will say Good morning to you! Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #106
Someone posted a link trying to defend her, but it said Bill Clinton R B Garr Apr 2018 #91
Yes Bill Clinton's endorsement gave her credibility. Wwcd Apr 2018 #94
Cohen is African-American? LenaBaby61 Apr 2018 #90
Well, I'm not. Have a nice day. Downtown Hound Apr 2018 #24
Nina who? RandySF Apr 2018 #26
they colluded with a foreign enemy to get installed into the White House Skittles Apr 2018 #29
Equating a mob lawyer with civil rights fighters? Blue_true Apr 2018 #32
Look at ME. I'm Nina the non-lawyer & scraps of a civil rights activist, and I AM ON TV. Wwcd Apr 2018 #35
What's The Matter Nina Me. Apr 2018 #38
She is just too weird to be head of anything at all ProudLib72 Apr 2018 #39
Well, if anyone still had doubts which side she is REALLY on, this should make it clear. pnwmom Apr 2018 #40
She is single handedly destroyiny any remaing credibility Our Revolution had. Wwcd Apr 2018 #68
Well... Mike Nelson Apr 2018 #41
Who? mcar Apr 2018 #44
Who cares what this idiot thinks Gothmog Apr 2018 #52
She is such a waste of skin. arthritisR_US Apr 2018 #54
It seems your Nina Turner is quite unpopular Cary Apr 2018 #60
This is nothing. Twitter hates her. She has fooled no one with her anti-Dem word salad. Wwcd Apr 2018 #66
What is it like 1%? Cary Apr 2018 #67
Same m.o.as the rest who borrowed the Dem title. Wwcd Apr 2018 #69
True Cary Apr 2018 #70
I hope she dries up and blows away on the next malevente. Stinky The Clown Apr 2018 #63
I have nothing nice to say about her. LiberalFighter Apr 2018 #73
The Jill Stein wing has spoken Tarc Apr 2018 #79
I have some concern that her Nut Revolution is going too far. betsuni Apr 2018 #95
Nyet! Anon-C Apr 2018 #101
When a person does a google search for examples of Non Sequiturs... fleabiscuit Apr 2018 #102
Translation: John Fante Apr 2018 #103
Exactly.. Cha Apr 2018 #110
Faux-progs (great name, hope it catches on) like Nina Turner John Fante Apr 2018 #119
They certainly do.. Cha Apr 2018 #120
LOL treestar Apr 2018 #105
I'm always concerned about government possibly going to far. Exhibit A: Donald Trump Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #107
Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #109
Nina Turner was a very useful tool for Trump. BoneyardDem Apr 2018 #112
Planting seeds of doubt and then feeding them with bullshit. herding cats Apr 2018 #116
Hey Nina ... STFU. Lil Missy Apr 2018 #128
Nina, please FO. arthritisR_US Apr 2018 #130
Girl, bye. Tatiana Apr 2018 #139
Mueller indicted Russians, who helped her favorite candidate Upstate One Apr 2018 #140
Our Revolution has a great deal of support from Russian trolls Gothmog Apr 2018 #141
Seriously? BlueDestiny Apr 2018 #142
Go to Jackpine Radicals Gothmog Apr 2018 #144
CalExit, Putin...Brexit, Putin. I could list other things that I am CERTAIN are Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #149
Putin gains when trump and the GOP wins Gothmog Apr 2018 #152
You should become familiar with JPR ehrnst Apr 2018 #145
Seriously. Russia is sowing the seeds of division. Adrahil Apr 2018 #146
It's best not to denigrate posters when you admit you don't know anything about the subject matter BoneyardDem Apr 2018 #148
JPR is also on Prop Or Not's useful idiot list of propaganda websites. lapucelle Apr 2018 #154
JPR is full of admitted Russian trolls Gothmog Apr 2018 #155
"..pushing the envelope of reality"? LOL Cha Apr 2018 #157

FarPoint

(12,209 posts)
76. She is practicing fox news style sensationalism.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:39 PM
Apr 2018

She wants attention NOW.

OH..Dry up Nina ...you are no one

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
2. ffs, this is incoherent babble! Her false equivalencies
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:18 PM
Apr 2018

are truly insulting. Comparing civil rights icons to a sleazeball lawyer protecting a racist mob boss who all colluded with a foreign power to undermine our Democracy. C’mon! Make this stop. It is truly self-serving, sniveling, incoherent tripe. Embarrassing.

edit-this is the length she will go through to deny that Hillary was screwed over and to ignore the Mueller investigation. She will not deal with reality.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
13. Its not really a false equivalency
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:30 PM
Apr 2018

Because here’s the second half of the quote:

“Now that’s not to say that the Cohen incident is parallel to that, but as American citizens, we should have some concern for how this goes, even if it’s against somebody we don’t like…it’s not about like or dislike, it’s about how we operate as a government.”

She specifically said that they weren’t equivalent, while reminding us that the FBI doesn’t have a good track record.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
19. Please. It is totally incoherent. She obviously has no
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:36 PM
Apr 2018

CONCERN for the subject matter that they are all speaking to. Let’s not waste time pretending we don’t know why Cohen is under investigation.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
28. Hes under investigation for his Trumpco qualifications:
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:11 PM
Apr 2018

He’s a crook. That’s the only thing that needs to be on the resume.

But that doesn’t make the FBI, which is obviously doing multiple investigations and securing multiple guilty pleas, the friend of liberals. The FBI has a long history of doing shady, anti-democratic bullshit, going back as far as MLK and as recently as sending undercover agents to infiltrate the Quakers.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
31. You can waste your time parroting Trumps CONCERNS
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:16 PM
Apr 2018

about the FBI, but now you’re really off on a tangent. The Russia /Trump investigation is very real. You should read about it because it’s not going away.

This is an unprecedented time in our nation’s history. Thank God there are some true Patriots left, FBI or otherwise to put these traitors away.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
37. I literally called Trump and Cohen crooks
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:38 PM
Apr 2018

In the post you were responding to. The fact that they are crooks and the fact that the FBI is investigating them for being crooks does not make the FBI the friend of liberals, Democrats, or democracy.

It’s not a binary choice.

Take former FBI director James Comey, for instance. That’s a guy who threw the election in Trump’s favor because of his long-running hatred of the Clintons, going back to when he couldn’t find any wrongdoing when he was part of the Whitewater investigation. James Comey isn’t some noble patriot. He’s a piece of shit Republican who threw the election so he could get a Republican elected. His buyer’s remorse doesn’t make him less of a piece of shit.

Maybe you should read something about the history of the FBI?

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
43. This is very contrived. Im certainly not going to be a CONCERN
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:55 PM
Apr 2018

troll for Trump’s sleazeball lawyer.

You are still on a tangent. I understand there is a huge chasm of denial from those who can’t accept that Hillary was screwed over because the Russian’s helped both Trump and Bernie. You should stick to the facts of this case. It is unprecedented.

Oh, and one of these does not belong in any analogy:
Martin Luther King
Malcolm X
Michael Cohen, sleazebag lawyer to a white racist mafia boss

Which one...hmmm.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
151. "I dislike cherry pie. Really do dislike it. Not to my taste. But I do like all food."
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 05:36 PM
Apr 2018

It's kinda cute she created a narrative predicated wholly on a false-equivalency, followed by the simplistic allegation it's not a false-equivalency.

It's as invalid as saying "I dislike cherry pie. Really do dislike it. Not to my taste. But I do like all food."

(I know, I know... food doesn't really have a good track record and we should be suspicious of food's real agenda...)

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
23. The laws have to protect everyone equally.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:50 PM
Apr 2018

If we need them to protect civil rights icons, they also must protect sleazeball lawyers. That's the way it works.

(I'm not making an assessment on the merits of this particular search warrant - just on your dismissal of the concern of FBI/police overreach being a false equivalency. It's not. The law MUST function equally for all, or it can be be used at a whim against whoever out of favor with those in power.)

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
25. It is a total false equivalency. Her statement is ignorant
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:57 PM
Apr 2018

of the facts regarding Cohen. This is ridiculous to waste time trying to defend her obvious ignorance of the subject matter.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
27. I was responding to your dismissal based on the character of the individuals involved -
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:11 PM
Apr 2018

and your characterization of it as a false equivalency again, based on the character of the individuals involved.

I have no problem at all with anyone who looks at the facts and reaches the conclusion that the searches were justified in the case of Cohen and not in the case of civil rights icons. But to distinguish the two based on character makes a mockery of the laws that must work equally for everyone (sleazeball or icon) to protect us all.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
34. If the FBI had developed information that the guy is crooked, raiding him is legitimate.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:23 PM
Apr 2018

Lots of people get watched by police, few get raided. Yes, the FBI was a political tool during the past, but the agency is largely above board now, that does not say that on occasion it does not screw up. I don't think what is happening to Cohen is a screwup.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
132. You have no facts backing up your claims
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 08:21 AM
Apr 2018

You may want to read up on the issues and try to understand the concepts being discussed. Facts are good things. You should consider using facts in your posts

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
42. The point is that she was connecting Cohen
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:51 PM
Apr 2018

to African American freedom fighters -- subtly linking him to that positive image.

That wasn't accidental.

No one is suggesting that the laws shouldn't protect everyone equally. From all reports, the FBI had to meet a very high standard in the Cohen raids -- and did. Nina Turner shouldn't be comparing him to freedom fighters who WERE treated unfairly.

I think Turner is a troll.

oasis

(49,152 posts)
150. "Jill Stein,NINA TURNER, Cornel West, Susan Sarandon, Killer Mike".
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 04:20 PM
Apr 2018

All should have a prominent place in the DU rogue's gallery. The Democratic Party should regard them as if they were radio active.

Thanks Cha, for the reminder on these people who cannot be relied upon in getting across the Democratic Party message.




Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
62. Anyone here who dismisses concerns about the warrants
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:58 PM
Apr 2018

based on the character of the target (sleazebag v. civil rights icon) is saying exactly that.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
64. I don't think that's what the poster was doing. The poster was objecting to her
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:03 PM
Apr 2018

bringing up civil rights icons in any discussion of Michael Cohen.

S/he wasn't objecting to a discussion of whether the FBI protected Cohen's rights as an American. Just to Turner's linking him in people's minds specifically to the freedom fighters.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
72. Raising the freedom fighters as an example of when the FBI overstepped its bounds
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:22 PM
Apr 2018

is a perfectly reasonable reminder that the FBI's intrusion into private lives is not always honorable or in accordance with respect for the rights of individuals. It is only examples like that that are likely to remind liberals of the FBI's sketchy past as to respecting individual rights.

It doesn't mean the character of Cohen is an equivalent to that of the freedom fighters - but their rights to be free from unreasonable government intrusion are equivalent.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
74. Technically, it doesn't mean that. But knowing Nina Turner and her past actions,
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:25 PM
Apr 2018

I'm sure that the true purpose was to gain sympathy for Cohen by linking him with the freedom fighters.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
158. Judge Wood is a District Court judge.
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 12:13 AM
Apr 2018

Not a justice on the Supreme Court, and not even an appellate judge.

I am not saying the procedures were incorrect - or even that the outcome would necessarily be different on appeal.

My point is that this is the beginning of the process, not the final outcome. It is relatively common for search warrants to be found invalid on appeal - and that progressives (who are often the target of an overreaching government) - ought to be attentive to the possibility that such overreaches are not limited to those targeted at us.

So no, I'm not wrong.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
159. You are still comoletely and utterly wrong
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 05:28 AM
Apr 2018

Judge Kimba Wood is an amazing person and one of the top judges in the country. The DOJ has specific policies and procedures in place and these policies were followed. Ayout vague concerns based on the rant of that complete ifiot, Nina Turner, are without merit in the real world.

I am a lawyer snd I am satisfied with the DOJ procedures the fact that you are not satisfieddue to some strange reasons does not carry any weight in the real world. Cohen was not complying with DOJ requests and so the searches were proper

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
122. You seem to be very invested in your own misinterpretations.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 01:40 AM
Apr 2018

Just because Nina Turner supported Bernie doesn’t mean we can’t address her lack of credibility. You seem to be deliberately commingling words to come to a different conclusion — one that happens to be very CONCERNED about Donald Trump’s lawyer, which is rather odd, actually.

It’s the same oddness coming from Nina Turner. What I was saying is that Nina Turner was ignorant of the facts of the Cohen conservation at hand. She was oddly not speaking to that, but instead making bizarre contrasts with civil rights icons. I really doubt I have to over explain why Americans like MLK and Malcolm X were targeted...

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
124. There's a lot of poor reading comprehension going on here.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 01:54 AM
Apr 2018

Please point to a single post I have ever made (this conversation, or any other) in which I expressed support for Tina Turner (the person or politician).

I am acknowledging a concern that virtually everyone on this board would have united with had a similar search warrant been executed against Hillary Clinton. The target of the concern can't dictate whether the actions are a concern because either the laws protect all of us or none of us.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
127. Same to you, because it is you who is deliberately
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 02:12 AM
Apr 2018

mischaracterizing the points at hand. You are outright implying that the FBI overreached with Cohen because MLK and Malcolm X were targeted. What?! Does Nina think we are that stupid? That is just a phony way to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the Russia investigation and we all know why she would do that...

We all know why MLK and Malcolm X were targeted, and it wasn’t because they were working with a hostile foreign government to destroy our Democracy or because they had a lawyer on retainer to force porn stars into silence with non-disclosure agreements now considered to be in-kind campaign contributions. No. That is not why MLK and Malcolm X were targeted...

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
133. Cohen had been subpoened and faile to produce documents the FBI knew cohen had
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 08:30 AM
Apr 2018

The proper procedures were followed in the real world. Your vague concerns do no stand up to scrutiny in the real world

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
48. I dismiss it entirely. You have to have compelling evidence in order to get such a warrant...and
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:16 PM
Apr 2018

Nina Turner hates Democrats so much she would support Trump as she did on CNN. She echoes the GOP. People have to stop considering her as being on our side as she is not. She is a despicable person who has said she would support Republicans as OR candidates.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
57. This has nothing to do with Nina Turner,
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:42 PM
Apr 2018

The issue I responded to was whether the character of the people involved made it a false equivalence.

My family, and and organization I was on the national governing body during part of the surveilled time, have been the subject of FBI surveillance. That surveillance did not rise to the level of search warrants (at least not personally), but it did involve FBI infiltration of the organization and the FBI has been known to overstep its bounds as to people it believes are enemies of the state.

In order to ensure our civil rights and privacy rights are protected, the laws must protect everyone equally. If we overlook violation of the law when the target is a sleezebag, we will be unable to enforce it when it is a civil rights icon.

My response had nothing to do with anything Nina Turner said, who she is aligned with, or the specific merits of the case. I was solely addressing the assertion that it was a false equivalence to compare a sleezebag attorney with a civil rights icon. As to the operation of search warrants and FBI surveillance, we cannot afford to decide whether we care or not based on the personality of the person charged - or the person whose rights may be being violated.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
71. It has everything to do with Nina Turner because she was the one who decided
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:19 PM
Apr 2018

to link in people's minds Michael Cohen and African American freedom fighters -- though from all reports Cohen's rights were scrupulously guarded, unlike those of the freedom fighters.

That is why it is a false equivalence, not because of the character of the people involved.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
75. You have reviewed everything,
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:34 PM
Apr 2018

including decisions not yet issued reviewing the matter - and know that his rights were scrupulously protected?

I find it exceedingly odd that a reminder that the FBI, which has not always been worshiped by progressives, doesn't always play by the rules is an offensive concept because of who reminded us of their history.

The concern I raised had nothing to do with Turner. My concern is limited solely to the point I responded to - that the character of the target of FBI investigations determines whether we believe their rights were violated (or that we should care about it).

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
82. I read about the hearing presided over by Judge Kimba Wood,
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:49 PM
Apr 2018

and it seems that every effort has been made to protect Cohen's rights.

If for no other reason, I believe any prosecutor in Robert Mueller's position would follow the letter of the law in order to protect the case on appeal. The Trump supporters in the judiciary and Congress will be looking for any hole in Mueller's case. He won't want to give it to them.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
125. More very deliberate misinterpretations...
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 02:03 AM
Apr 2018

How absurd to claim that you are so very concerned about Cohen’s rights being violated, just like Martin Luther King’s right were violated. Huh?! That is the exact long walk Nina Turner wanted to take us on and we all know why.

It never should have been a “reminder” about black civil rights leaders because we all know why they were harassed—right? What a shameful and transparent manipulation. And I didn’t say that sleazeballs have no rights. Give me a break.

Sorry, but hiding behind some attempts to delegitimize the Russia investigations to support one politician is still very transparent. Nina was not speaking to the conversation at hand. She was ignorant of the facts about Cohen on that show.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
58. You know all of the details,
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:50 PM
Apr 2018

including the results to any future court challenges to the validity of the warrant?

The linked here doesn't sound to me like a rant, nor does it attack the DOJ for not following the correct procedure. What I hear her saying - which is a legitimate concern - is that when there is the execution of a search warrant this extreme, even if we don't like the target, we ought to be sure it is a legitimate exercise of power - given the history of abuse of power by the FBI and other governmental entities.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
97. I am a lawyer and i have been following this closely
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 12:24 AM
Apr 2018

The DOJ has a manual on search warrants on attorneys including the use of a taint team. I have posted links to this manual

Nina Turner is an idiot who is out to hurt the party. Her rant indicates that she has no idea as to the procedure being used. You are welcome to defend this idiot. I am amused that any real Democrat would defend turner. The fact that you think that turner's rant make sense is sad to me.

I have posted a link to the DOJ manual earlier. I have read the manual and it appears that contrary to the rant of a non democrat, the DOJ followed the correct policy

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
113. The issue raised wasn't whether the correct policy was followed
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 09:15 PM
Apr 2018

it is the reality that the government has not always respected the rights of individuals EVEN when following the correct policy.

Nothing at all to do with who raised the concern. I don't care it it was Turner of the man in the moon. It is good self-protection to remember the past and not fall all over compliance with policy (which compliance has not been reviewed by a higher court) just because we like the results this time.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
117. Turner's analysis is non existant and a joke
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 09:28 PM
Apr 2018

Nina has no accomplishments in the real world bthis article confirmed that Nina is an idiot

Why are you defendibg a non democrat

I trust Judge Wood but I am a lawyer and understand the concepts being discussed

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
137. Turner hates the Democratic Party
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:22 PM
Apr 2018

The Our Revolution group are compsed of non democrats who hate the party

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
147. Is Nina Turner still shielded by DU rules? Personally...
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 10:49 AM
Apr 2018

... I can't see ANY evidence that she's any sort of "ally".

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
136. Nina is full of it with her phony concern about the FBI.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 02:01 PM
Apr 2018

Reality is that it was Hillary who was actually damaged by FBI meddling and overreach, but Nina is silent about that actual event. Instead she manufactures some contrived offense against Trump’s lawyer and goes off on a tangent.

Ignoring actual FBI wrongdoing against Hillary and making up some offense against Trump’s lawyer means she was just trolling. She is not a serious person.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
99. BTW did you even read Turner"s rant
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 12:55 AM
Apr 2018

Read it. Turner admits that she is totally ignorant onbthe facts but whines about the FBI being bad in the past. Turner is ignorant as to the procedures used by the DOJ

Again turner is an idiot

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
115. Judge Kimba Wood validated the procedures used by the DOJ
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 09:23 PM
Apr 2018

I read nina's article and that article confirmed that Nina is an idiot without any accomplishments in the real world

I have read the DOJ manual and the prodeures in this manual are approptiate

Why are you defending a non democrat?

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
126. Following proper procedure does not necessarily preclude overreach.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 02:09 AM
Apr 2018

How about you lose the fixation on Turner. My comments have absolutely nothing to do with Turner.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
131. Do you tire of being wrong?
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 08:09 AM
Apr 2018

Judge Kimba Wood is one of the top judges on this bench. She was satisfied that the DOJ did everything correctly

Why are you defending a non Democrat idiot like Nina Turner.? The article cited in OP showed how stupid this idiot is?

You are welcomed to listen this idiot. I am a lawyer and I have been following this case closely. The DoJ acted properly. The fact that you have concerns amuses me but your claims do not stand up in the real world

I checked JPR and the idiots who post on that board may share your and that idiot Nina Turner's concerns. While the non democrats on JPR may "have concerns"' those posters are not real democrats and I disagree with these so called concerns.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
123. Really?! It was a round table discussion on a Sunday
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 01:49 AM
Apr 2018

news show! You don’t have to be some Ivory Tower type to appear on those shows or some Ivy League lawyer. It is just a Sunday show.

Now you are really off on a tangent, same as Nina Turner was. All this does is confirm the biases against the Russia investigation. She had no problem maligning Hillary with no proof whatsoever, so her newfound patriotism over the rule of law is beyond absurd. She had no info about the case at hand on that Sunday show, just shiny distractions to cast doubt. She was completely incoherent for what was being discussed.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
46. Nina Turner has gone from being openly skeptical of the Russian investigation
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:14 PM
Apr 2018


Oh yeah, she's so damn obvious.. everyone who's paying attention can see right through her.



RB

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
55. I would state my full opinion.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:39 PM
Apr 2018

I would get a hide.

Let's leave it here, Nina is not a Democratic friend.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
77. So the guy who called me "crooked Hillary" had his office raided by the FBI today
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:41 PM
Apr 2018

Neener Neener, Nina

she

Cha

(295,929 posts)
84. It's killing her. Got to pump up those trump poll numbers..
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 11:02 PM
Apr 2018




Oh, and I sure has hell don't need Nina Turner to tell me what I should be "concerned" about.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
88. Si verdad!
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 11:26 PM
Apr 2018


And, gallop only does landlines.. so in all probability.. pos trump's "disapproval" is much higher.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
93. Hey Cha. Great find! Those are great Tweets. She is not
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 11:39 PM
Apr 2018

fooling anyone — just playing to a small core fan base. Pathetic.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
135. AT a MINIMUM our party including HERE we MUST expose russian trolls and
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:44 PM
Apr 2018

EJECT them from the party.

Having said that, I dont want to lose seats.

Takket

(21,425 posts)
8. she must think blacks are pretty stupid if she thinks that load of BS is going to garner
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:24 PM
Apr 2018

sympathy from them.

this is how the right skews and distorts the information wars. responsible journalism and opinion pieces should not be based on "concern troll" tactics. they should be based on FACTS. Not "the FBI might be abusing its power." Don't tell me that. tell me if they ARE abusing power. Tell me what safeguards are in place to protect our freedoms and tell me if those safeguard were FOLLOWED. THAT is what an informed public needs. There is NOTHING to indicate that the appropriate procedures were not followed and therefor it is IRRESPONSIBLE to imply the public should be worried for the sake of stoking an anti-law sentiment.

Journeyman

(15,001 posts)
11. I'm always concerned about civil liberties & privacy. But having read the analysis of this event...
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:28 PM
Apr 2018

absent any contrary evidence, I'm satisfied the FBI executed a lawfully authorized, legally vetted search warrant.

My opinion is subject to change, of course, given additional information, but I don't expect anything like that to arise.

Good of Ms Turner to raise the question, but irrelevant at this time.

LenaBaby61

(6,965 posts)
65. "Good of Ms. Turner to raise the question."
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:05 PM
Apr 2018
"But irrelevant at this time."

THIS in the black bolded all night and day.

Her timing is AWFUL.

I can remember a time when she and the late Stephanie Jones-Tubs were a duo out campaigning for Hillary in Ohio in 2008 and all across this country. Yes, there was such a time I mean, she was an enthusiastic supporter of Hillary. But here it is 10 years later, and she's just about to go completely over to the "dark side" with that tin-ear, political timing of hers. My friend says that she's now a self-serving, loud mouth singing Me, me, me, I, I, I., and that instead of being so provocative, she needs to keep her mind on the tens of thousands of low-income voters in neighborhoods there in Ohio that vote reliably Democratic which were purged from the voting rolls ahead of the 2016 GE.

Uh, my friend makes some EXCELLENT points.

dansolo

(5,376 posts)
104. I don't believe her support of Hillary was ever genuine
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 06:12 AM
Apr 2018

My guess is that she was jockeying for a position in a Hillary Administration back then.

oasis

(49,152 posts)
143. You'd probably be guessing right. Nina dumped Hillary and hitched on
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 08:14 AM
Apr 2018

to Bernie's rising star, a better chance to raise her national profile.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
15. I have some concerns as well.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:31 PM
Apr 2018

They will be worked out in court. At this point it seems to be on solid ground.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
33. No shit. She crammed an awful lot of "keywords" into that brief statement
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:17 PM
Apr 2018

She managed to soften Cohen & Trump's blatant disregard for law, and ended up making it about African Americans & since she's no lawyer at all, & now she, like her boss is claiming to be a grand civil rights activist & icon spokesmodel, while disregarding the true lifelong activists like John Lewis everytime she damns the Democratic Party.

She can call herself anything she wants but her realistic creds tell the real story. Nina makes me fking wanna puke.

Hey Nina, there never really was a revolution was there, just a campaign promo to boost your new image makeover.

Talk about word salad.



R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
45. Exactly! Word salad is a great description. She was just
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:01 PM
Apr 2018

throwing out names of historical icons without any context or back-up, just for the cred she thought it bestowed upon her. She obviously can’t acknowledge the Russia investigation since they were the beneficiaries. Her comments were really out of place and ignorant of the Cohen case at hand.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
50. I read that only a small percentage of money raised has been spent on Campaigns
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:19 PM
Apr 2018

by OR...so what are they doing with the rest...hmm

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
61. Flying private & first class probably.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:55 PM
Apr 2018

They've come a long way from their meager beginnings when the Democrats gave them a hand up. They started out as Democrats, then Progressives, or Socialist Progressive Democrats, or just socialists, or Progressive Socialists once they cashed in & the D was removed.

When's the last time Nina & her group ever said a positive thing about the Dems?
.Chirp.

Yet here she & her boss both have made comments that give the fascist Trump credibility

We've always known who they were loyal to.
Its not the Party of All People. The Democratic Party.

They own this distrust.
That is what they set out to accomplish.

They lie.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
83. Excellent post...You are exactly right. She is living the good life on donations and the price of
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 11:01 PM
Apr 2018

her new life is to bash Democrats...as long as she does this the money rolls in.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
91. Someone posted a link trying to defend her, but it said Bill Clinton
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 11:36 PM
Apr 2018

helped her raise money for her secretary of state race in Ohio in 2014. Of course, now she’s making money bad mouthing the Clintons. No one ever calls her on that — none of them are held accountable for their double standards.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
94. Yes Bill Clinton's endorsement gave her credibility.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 11:48 PM
Apr 2018

She has no problem stepping on the backs of people, those great names who have lived in the trenches to make human rights viable & recognized. The people who, thru their lifetime earned their own success.

She uses people.
That's why she is so disliked.

No one trusts someone who does what she does to others.
We all have known of her type, from our school years thru adulthood.
Users.
Backstabbers.

That's Nina's claim to fame.




Skittles

(152,967 posts)
29. they colluded with a foreign enemy to get installed into the White House
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:13 PM
Apr 2018

NOTHING the FBI DOES TO THEM WILL BE GOING TOO FAR

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
35. Look at ME. I'm Nina the non-lawyer & scraps of a civil rights activist, and I AM ON TV.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:23 PM
Apr 2018

She sure has some grandiose image of herself.

Wow. Amazing what a mic in the face does to the average person.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
38. What's The Matter Nina
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:39 PM
Apr 2018

Not getting enough attention lately? Seems like none of you people can shut your lips.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
39. She is just too weird to be head of anything at all
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:44 PM
Apr 2018

So back in the day the FBI terrorized civil rights leaders. Yes, that's true. But this current situation is in no way parallel? So why the fuck do you even bring it up? She is nuts nuts nuts. <--- Nina Turner

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
40. Well, if anyone still had doubts which side she is REALLY on, this should make it clear.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:47 PM
Apr 2018

Comparing Michael Cohen to African American freedom fighters.

Wow.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
68. She is single handedly destroyiny any remaing credibility Our Revolution had.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:12 PM
Apr 2018

But she's on TV & cashed in bigly.

We all saw your agenda early on, Nina.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
66. This is nothing. Twitter hates her. She has fooled no one with her anti-Dem word salad.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:06 PM
Apr 2018

She has a credibility rating lower that Trump.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
69. Same m.o.as the rest who borrowed the Dem title.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:15 PM
Apr 2018

"MONEY & MEDIA"

oh ya..btw (there never really was a revolution)

Stinky The Clown

(67,697 posts)
63. I hope she dries up and blows away on the next malevente.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:02 PM
Apr 2018

Give it a rest Nina. You've shown your allegiance to not Democrats.

betsuni

(25,138 posts)
95. I have some concern that her Nut Revolution is going too far.
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 12:14 AM
Apr 2018

The 1960s called and want you to shut up, Nina, also too.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
102. When a person does a google search for examples of Non Sequiturs...
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:45 AM
Apr 2018

Nina Turner examples should be included.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
103. Translation:
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 03:26 AM
Apr 2018

"The FBI did some shady things in the past and even I'm not flat-out saying they're doing it in this case, let me plant that seed of doubt in your mind anyway."

Let's just call these phony progressives what they really are already - Trump supporters. I'm tired of beating around the bush with them.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
119. Faux-progs (great name, hope it catches on) like Nina Turner
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 01:07 AM
Apr 2018

lend credence to the horseshoe theory in politics. They're so far to the left, they're holding hands with the right.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
105. LOL
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 07:13 AM
Apr 2018

They are trying to drum up sympathy based on this? Where were they when it was "terrorism" or where were they when it was some hapless subject of a warrant not in high places?

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
107. I'm always concerned about government possibly going to far. Exhibit A: Donald Trump
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 09:31 AM
Apr 2018

In the abstract Turner is right in that government can become over reaching. That's one reason why we declared independence from England. But checks and balances are essential and the courts are a big part of that. Right now I am most concerned about the conspiracy at the heart of Trump's presidency and am grateful that our judicial system still refuses to put Trump above the law.

Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

 

BoneyardDem

(1,202 posts)
112. Nina Turner was a very useful tool for Trump.
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 09:09 PM
Apr 2018

And continues along the same path. Her anti Hillary tirades helped tip the scales for many a Bernie Bros. Those who listened and internalized her message chose not vote for Hillary and many even went so far as to claim Trump may just be the lesson we all needed, to understand what happens when the crowd doesn't vote for Nina's pick. I'll be damned if they aren't doing it again.

herding cats

(19,549 posts)
116. Planting seeds of doubt and then feeding them with bullshit.
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 09:25 PM
Apr 2018

How very Republican like of her.

You attacked the Democratic candidate and supported Jill Stein on the GE, you lost your seat and you're now irrelevant. Just go away already.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
139. Girl, bye.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:25 PM
Apr 2018

I'm so sick of her shenanigans. I'd respect her a lot more if she engaged in *helpful* activities to try to stay relevant.

This all about attention and publicity.

 

Upstate One

(83 posts)
140. Mueller indicted Russians, who helped her favorite candidate
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 02:14 AM
Apr 2018

I understand her negative attitude toward Mueller.

 

BlueDestiny

(25 posts)
142. Seriously?
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 08:00 AM
Apr 2018

Come on now.
I have no clue what JPR is but to say Our Revolution has a lot of support from Russian trolls is pushing the envelope of reality.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
144. Go to Jackpine Radicals
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 08:54 AM
Apr 2018

It is a site for bernie bros and Our Revolution types. The number of pro putin and pro russians posts are amazing

Our Revolution want to destroy the Democratic party.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
149. CalExit, Putin...Brexit, Putin. I could list other things that I am CERTAIN are
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 02:16 PM
Apr 2018

directly connected to him, to the KGB (I refuse to use their new name), but I wont.

Fact is simple, if it detracts from electing ANY democrat, it AINT from us.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
146. Seriously. Russia is sowing the seeds of division.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 10:34 AM
Apr 2018

Their primary beneficiary was Trump, of course, but they also fluffed the far left. Why do you think Jill Stein was at RT's 120 anniversary, sitting right there with Putin? Why do you think they provided trolls in support of Sanders? And if Nina Turner and "Our Revolution" is seen as a useful tool to sow MORE division (and they surely are seen that way), then you should not be surprised that they will deploy resources to boost her and her message. She is, in the vernacular of the trade, a useful idiot.

 

BoneyardDem

(1,202 posts)
148. It's best not to denigrate posters when you admit you don't know anything about the subject matter
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 01:50 PM
Apr 2018

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It's always best to ask and educate yourself first, and then come from a place of knowledge.

JPR has a proven track record going back to it's inception. There are also plenty of other sites that rate chat rooms and JPR shows up regularly as one with lies, misinformation and Russian Trolls. Again, look it up.

lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
154. JPR is also on Prop Or Not's useful idiot list of propaganda websites.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 08:10 PM
Apr 2018

You make good points. As for the rest of it, reality is reality. Skepticism is one thing; gaslighting is ineffective at this point.

http://www.propornot.com/p/the-list.html

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