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Americans Should Be Concerned About Cohen FBI Raid Going Too Far, Fmr Dem Lawmaker Says
Civil rights activist and former Ohio state senator Nina Turner said Sunday on CNNs State of the Union that Americans should have some concern about how the FBI is running its probe into Trump lawyer Michael Cohen.
It wasnt the most enthusiastic defense of Cohen, but worth pointing out since Turner is a Democrat and a Bernie Sanders ally. Host Jake Tapper asked her about what she thought about the FBIs raid on Cohen last Monday. She said it concerned her a little and it remained to be seen if there were any abuses, but, she added, certainly, throughout the history of this country, especially where it comes to African-American folks, I mean, Black Panthers, Dr. King, Malcolm X, and other civil rights freedom fighters. You can see that sometimes the government can go too far in its effort and be skewed one way.
https://lawandcrime.com/politics/americans-should-be-concerned-about-cohen-fbi-raid-going-too-far-says-fmr-dem-lawmaker/
Squinch
(50,774 posts)FarPoint
(12,209 posts)She wants attention NOW.
OH..Dry up Nina ...you are no one
orangecrush
(19,237 posts)stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)R B Garr
(16,920 posts)are truly insulting. Comparing civil rights icons to a sleazeball lawyer protecting a racist mob boss who all colluded with a foreign power to undermine our Democracy. Cmon! Make this stop. It is truly self-serving, sniveling, incoherent tripe. Embarrassing.
edit-this is the length she will go through to deny that Hillary was screwed over and to ignore the Mueller investigation. She will not deal with reality.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Because heres the second half of the quote:
Now thats not to say that the Cohen incident is parallel to that, but as American citizens, we should have some concern for how this goes, even if its against somebody we dont like
its not about like or dislike, its about how we operate as a government.
She specifically said that they werent equivalent, while reminding us that the FBI doesnt have a good track record.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)CONCERN for the subject matter that they are all speaking to. Lets not waste time pretending we dont know why Cohen is under investigation.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Hes a crook. Thats the only thing that needs to be on the resume.
But that doesnt make the FBI, which is obviously doing multiple investigations and securing multiple guilty pleas, the friend of liberals. The FBI has a long history of doing shady, anti-democratic bullshit, going back as far as MLK and as recently as sending undercover agents to infiltrate the Quakers.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)about the FBI, but now youre really off on a tangent. The Russia /Trump investigation is very real. You should read about it because its not going away.
This is an unprecedented time in our nations history. Thank God there are some true Patriots left, FBI or otherwise to put these traitors away.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)In the post you were responding to. The fact that they are crooks and the fact that the FBI is investigating them for being crooks does not make the FBI the friend of liberals, Democrats, or democracy.
Its not a binary choice.
Take former FBI director James Comey, for instance. Thats a guy who threw the election in Trumps favor because of his long-running hatred of the Clintons, going back to when he couldnt find any wrongdoing when he was part of the Whitewater investigation. James Comey isnt some noble patriot. Hes a piece of shit Republican who threw the election so he could get a Republican elected. His buyers remorse doesnt make him less of a piece of shit.
Maybe you should read something about the history of the FBI?
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)troll for Trumps sleazeball lawyer.
You are still on a tangent. I understand there is a huge chasm of denial from those who cant accept that Hillary was screwed over because the Russians helped both Trump and Bernie. You should stick to the facts of this case. It is unprecedented.
Oh, and one of these does not belong in any analogy:
Martin Luther King
Malcolm X
Michael Cohen, sleazebag lawyer to a white racist mafia boss
Which one...hmmm.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It's kinda cute she created a narrative predicated wholly on a false-equivalency, followed by the simplistic allegation it's not a false-equivalency.
It's as invalid as saying "I dislike cherry pie. Really do dislike it. Not to my taste. But I do like all food."
(I know, I know... food doesn't really have a good track record and we should be suspicious of food's real agenda...)
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)If we need them to protect civil rights icons, they also must protect sleazeball lawyers. That's the way it works.
(I'm not making an assessment on the merits of this particular search warrant - just on your dismissal of the concern of FBI/police overreach being a false equivalency. It's not. The law MUST function equally for all, or it can be be used at a whim against whoever out of favor with those in power.)
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)of the facts regarding Cohen. This is ridiculous to waste time trying to defend her obvious ignorance of the subject matter.
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)and your characterization of it as a false equivalency again, based on the character of the individuals involved.
I have no problem at all with anyone who looks at the facts and reaches the conclusion that the searches were justified in the case of Cohen and not in the case of civil rights icons. But to distinguish the two based on character makes a mockery of the laws that must work equally for everyone (sleazeball or icon) to protect us all.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Lots of people get watched by police, few get raided. Yes, the FBI was a political tool during the past, but the agency is largely above board now, that does not say that on occasion it does not screw up. I don't think what is happening to Cohen is a screwup.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)You may want to read up on the issues and try to understand the concepts being discussed. Facts are good things. You should consider using facts in your posts
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)to African American freedom fighters -- subtly linking him to that positive image.
That wasn't accidental.
No one is suggesting that the laws shouldn't protect everyone equally. From all reports, the FBI had to meet a very high standard in the Cohen raids -- and did. Nina Turner shouldn't be comparing him to freedom fighters who WERE treated unfairly.
I think Turner is a troll.
Cha
(295,929 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)Neener Neener, Nian
Cha
(295,929 posts)👍👍
Mahalo, redstateblues
oasis
(49,152 posts)All should have a prominent place in the DU rogue's gallery. The Democratic Party should regard them as if they were radio active.
Thanks Cha, for the reminder on these people who cannot be relied upon in getting across the Democratic Party message.
Cha
(295,929 posts)to Try and RF an election with their LIES.
oasis
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)based on the character of the target (sleazebag v. civil rights icon) is saying exactly that.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)bringing up civil rights icons in any discussion of Michael Cohen.
S/he wasn't objecting to a discussion of whether the FBI protected Cohen's rights as an American. Just to Turner's linking him in people's minds specifically to the freedom fighters.
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)is a perfectly reasonable reminder that the FBI's intrusion into private lives is not always honorable or in accordance with respect for the rights of individuals. It is only examples like that that are likely to remind liberals of the FBI's sketchy past as to respecting individual rights.
It doesn't mean the character of Cohen is an equivalent to that of the freedom fighters - but their rights to be free from unreasonable government intrusion are equivalent.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)I'm sure that the true purpose was to gain sympathy for Cohen by linking him with the freedom fighters.
kcr
(15,300 posts)Nina Turner is performing the classic concern troll and nothing more.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Judge Kimba Wood had validated the procedures used in this case
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)Not a justice on the Supreme Court, and not even an appellate judge.
I am not saying the procedures were incorrect - or even that the outcome would necessarily be different on appeal.
My point is that this is the beginning of the process, not the final outcome. It is relatively common for search warrants to be found invalid on appeal - and that progressives (who are often the target of an overreaching government) - ought to be attentive to the possibility that such overreaches are not limited to those targeted at us.
So no, I'm not wrong.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Judge Kimba Wood is an amazing person and one of the top judges in the country. The DOJ has specific policies and procedures in place and these policies were followed. Ayout vague concerns based on the rant of that complete ifiot, Nina Turner, are without merit in the real world.
I am a lawyer snd I am satisfied with the DOJ procedures the fact that you are not satisfieddue to some strange reasons does not carry any weight in the real world. Cohen was not complying with DOJ requests and so the searches were proper
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)Just because Nina Turner supported Bernie doesnt mean we cant address her lack of credibility. You seem to be deliberately commingling words to come to a different conclusion one that happens to be very CONCERNED about Donald Trumps lawyer, which is rather odd, actually.
Its the same oddness coming from Nina Turner. What I was saying is that Nina Turner was ignorant of the facts of the Cohen conservation at hand. She was oddly not speaking to that, but instead making bizarre contrasts with civil rights icons. I really doubt I have to over explain why Americans like MLK and Malcolm X were targeted...
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)Please point to a single post I have ever made (this conversation, or any other) in which I expressed support for Tina Turner (the person or politician).
I am acknowledging a concern that virtually everyone on this board would have united with had a similar search warrant been executed against Hillary Clinton. The target of the concern can't dictate whether the actions are a concern because either the laws protect all of us or none of us.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)mischaracterizing the points at hand. You are outright implying that the FBI overreached with Cohen because MLK and Malcolm X were targeted. What?! Does Nina think we are that stupid? That is just a phony way to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the Russia investigation and we all know why she would do that...
We all know why MLK and Malcolm X were targeted, and it wasnt because they were working with a hostile foreign government to destroy our Democracy or because they had a lawyer on retainer to force porn stars into silence with non-disclosure agreements now considered to be in-kind campaign contributions. No. That is not why MLK and Malcolm X were targeted...
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)The proper procedures were followed in the real world. Your vague concerns do no stand up to scrutiny in the real world
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)Nina Turner hates Democrats so much she would support Trump as she did on CNN. She echoes the GOP. People have to stop considering her as being on our side as she is not. She is a despicable person who has said she would support Republicans as OR candidates.
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)The issue I responded to was whether the character of the people involved made it a false equivalence.
My family, and and organization I was on the national governing body during part of the surveilled time, have been the subject of FBI surveillance. That surveillance did not rise to the level of search warrants (at least not personally), but it did involve FBI infiltration of the organization and the FBI has been known to overstep its bounds as to people it believes are enemies of the state.
In order to ensure our civil rights and privacy rights are protected, the laws must protect everyone equally. If we overlook violation of the law when the target is a sleezebag, we will be unable to enforce it when it is a civil rights icon.
My response had nothing to do with anything Nina Turner said, who she is aligned with, or the specific merits of the case. I was solely addressing the assertion that it was a false equivalence to compare a sleezebag attorney with a civil rights icon. As to the operation of search warrants and FBI surveillance, we cannot afford to decide whether we care or not based on the personality of the person charged - or the person whose rights may be being violated.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)to link in people's minds Michael Cohen and African American freedom fighters -- though from all reports Cohen's rights were scrupulously guarded, unlike those of the freedom fighters.
That is why it is a false equivalence, not because of the character of the people involved.
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)including decisions not yet issued reviewing the matter - and know that his rights were scrupulously protected?
I find it exceedingly odd that a reminder that the FBI, which has not always been worshiped by progressives, doesn't always play by the rules is an offensive concept because of who reminded us of their history.
The concern I raised had nothing to do with Turner. My concern is limited solely to the point I responded to - that the character of the target of FBI investigations determines whether we believe their rights were violated (or that we should care about it).
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)and it seems that every effort has been made to protect Cohen's rights.
If for no other reason, I believe any prosecutor in Robert Mueller's position would follow the letter of the law in order to protect the case on appeal. The Trump supporters in the judiciary and Congress will be looking for any hole in Mueller's case. He won't want to give it to them.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)How absurd to claim that you are so very concerned about Cohens rights being violated, just like Martin Luther Kings right were violated. Huh?! That is the exact long walk Nina Turner wanted to take us on and we all know why.
It never should have been a reminder about black civil rights leaders because we all know why they were harassedright? What a shameful and transparent manipulation. And I didnt say that sleazeballs have no rights. Give me a break.
Sorry, but hiding behind some attempts to delegitimize the Russia investigations to support one politician is still very transparent. Nina was not speaking to the conversation at hand. She was ignorant of the facts about Cohen on that show.
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Tina's rant ignores the facts of this case
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)including the results to any future court challenges to the validity of the warrant?
The linked here doesn't sound to me like a rant, nor does it attack the DOJ for not following the correct procedure. What I hear her saying - which is a legitimate concern - is that when there is the execution of a search warrant this extreme, even if we don't like the target, we ought to be sure it is a legitimate exercise of power - given the history of abuse of power by the FBI and other governmental entities.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)The DOJ has a manual on search warrants on attorneys including the use of a taint team. I have posted links to this manual
Nina Turner is an idiot who is out to hurt the party. Her rant indicates that she has no idea as to the procedure being used. You are welcome to defend this idiot. I am amused that any real Democrat would defend turner. The fact that you think that turner's rant make sense is sad to me.
I have posted a link to the DOJ manual earlier. I have read the manual and it appears that contrary to the rant of a non democrat, the DOJ followed the correct policy
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)it is the reality that the government has not always respected the rights of individuals EVEN when following the correct policy.
Nothing at all to do with who raised the concern. I don't care it it was Turner of the man in the moon. It is good self-protection to remember the past and not fall all over compliance with policy (which compliance has not been reviewed by a higher court) just because we like the results this time.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Nina has no accomplishments in the real world bthis article confirmed that Nina is an idiot
Why are you defendibg a non democrat
I trust Judge Wood but I am a lawyer and understand the concepts being discussed
Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)Gothmog
(144,005 posts)The Our Revolution group are compsed of non democrats who hate the party
Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... I can't see ANY evidence that she's any sort of "ally".
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)Reality is that it was Hillary who was actually damaged by FBI meddling and overreach, but Nina is silent about that actual event. Instead she manufactures some contrived offense against Trumps lawyer and goes off on a tangent.
Ignoring actual FBI wrongdoing against Hillary and making up some offense against Trumps lawyer means she was just trolling. She is not a serious person.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Read it. Turner admits that she is totally ignorant onbthe facts but whines about the FBI being bad in the past. Turner is ignorant as to the procedures used by the DOJ
Again turner is an idiot
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)The concern has nothing to do with raised it.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)I read nina's article and that article confirmed that Nina is an idiot without any accomplishments in the real world
I have read the DOJ manual and the prodeures in this manual are approptiate
Why are you defending a non democrat?
Cha
(295,929 posts)Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Nina Turner is an idiot
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)How about you lose the fixation on Turner. My comments have absolutely nothing to do with Turner.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Judge Kimba Wood is one of the top judges on this bench. She was satisfied that the DOJ did everything correctly
Why are you defending a non Democrat idiot like Nina Turner.? The article cited in OP showed how stupid this idiot is?
You are welcomed to listen this idiot. I am a lawyer and I have been following this case closely. The DoJ acted properly. The fact that you have concerns amuses me but your claims do not stand up in the real world
I checked JPR and the idiots who post on that board may share your and that idiot Nina Turner's concerns. While the non democrats on JPR may "have concerns"' those posters are not real democrats and I disagree with these so called concerns.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)news show! You dont have to be some Ivory Tower type to appear on those shows or some Ivy League lawyer. It is just a Sunday show.
Now you are really off on a tangent, same as Nina Turner was. All this does is confirm the biases against the Russia investigation. She had no problem maligning Hillary with no proof whatsoever, so her newfound patriotism over the rule of law is beyond absurd. She had no info about the case at hand on that Sunday show, just shiny distractions to cast doubt. She was completely incoherent for what was being discussed.
Cha
(295,929 posts)Link to tweet
Oh yeah, she's so damn obvious.. everyone who's paying attention can see right through her.
Link to tweet
RB
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)I would get a hide.
Let's leave it here, Nina is not a Democratic friend.
Cha
(295,929 posts)Neener Neener, Nina
she
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)Yep!
Hey, Cha,
Cha
(295,929 posts)Link to tweet
Oh, and I sure has hell don't need Nina Turner to tell me what I should be "concerned" about.
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)Unlike that Harvard Harris internet poll.
Boom.
And, gallop only does landlines.. so in all probability.. pos trump's "disapproval" is much higher.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)fooling anyone just playing to a small core fan base. Pathetic.
betsuni
(25,138 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)Kind of a tongue twister, though. Maybe it's just me.
betsuni
(25,138 posts)JI7
(89,182 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)EJECT them from the party.
Having said that, I dont want to lose seats.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,147 posts)spanone
(135,636 posts)Takket
(21,425 posts)sympathy from them.
this is how the right skews and distorts the information wars. responsible journalism and opinion pieces should not be based on "concern troll" tactics. they should be based on FACTS. Not "the FBI might be abusing its power." Don't tell me that. tell me if they ARE abusing power. Tell me what safeguards are in place to protect our freedoms and tell me if those safeguard were FOLLOWED. THAT is what an informed public needs. There is NOTHING to indicate that the appropriate procedures were not followed and therefor it is IRRESPONSIBLE to imply the public should be worried for the sake of stoking an anti-law sentiment.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)"looks" like that on twitter feeds.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)including Tapper.
comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)PSPS
(13,516 posts)Journeyman
(15,001 posts)absent any contrary evidence, I'm satisfied the FBI executed a lawfully authorized, legally vetted search warrant.
My opinion is subject to change, of course, given additional information, but I don't expect anything like that to arise.
Good of Ms Turner to raise the question, but irrelevant at this time.
LenaBaby61
(6,965 posts)THIS in the black bolded all night and day.
Her timing is AWFUL.
I can remember a time when she and the late Stephanie Jones-Tubs were a duo out campaigning for Hillary in Ohio in 2008 and all across this country. Yes, there was such a time I mean, she was an enthusiastic supporter of Hillary. But here it is 10 years later, and she's just about to go completely over to the "dark side" with that tin-ear, political timing of hers. My friend says that she's now a self-serving, loud mouth singing Me, me, me, I, I, I., and that instead of being so provocative, she needs to keep her mind on the tens of thousands of low-income voters in neighborhoods there in Ohio that vote reliably Democratic which were purged from the voting rolls ahead of the 2016 GE.
Uh, my friend makes some EXCELLENT points.
dansolo
(5,376 posts)My guess is that she was jockeying for a position in a Hillary Administration back then.
oasis
(49,152 posts)to Bernie's rising star, a better chance to raise her national profile.
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)They will be worked out in court. At this point it seems to be on solid ground.
ismnotwasm
(41,921 posts)So close.
poboy2
(2,078 posts)4now
(1,596 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Who knew?
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)She managed to soften Cohen & Trump's blatant disregard for law, and ended up making it about African Americans & since she's no lawyer at all, & now she, like her boss is claiming to be a grand civil rights activist & icon spokesmodel, while disregarding the true lifelong activists like John Lewis everytime she damns the Democratic Party.
She can call herself anything she wants but her realistic creds tell the real story. Nina makes me fking wanna puke.
Hey Nina, there never really was a revolution was there, just a campaign promo to boost your new image makeover.
Talk about word salad.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)throwing out names of historical icons without any context or back-up, just for the cred she thought it bestowed upon her. She obviously cant acknowledge the Russia investigation since they were the beneficiaries. Her comments were really out of place and ignorant of the Cohen case at hand.
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)by OR...so what are they doing with the rest...hmm
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)They've come a long way from their meager beginnings when the Democrats gave them a hand up. They started out as Democrats, then Progressives, or Socialist Progressive Democrats, or just socialists, or Progressive Socialists once they cashed in & the D was removed.
When's the last time Nina & her group ever said a positive thing about the Dems?
.Chirp.
Yet here she & her boss both have made comments that give the fascist Trump credibility
We've always known who they were loyal to.
Its not the Party of All People. The Democratic Party.
They own this distrust.
That is what they set out to accomplish.
They lie.
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)her new life is to bash Democrats...as long as she does this the money rolls in.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Good nite to you ❣
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)R B Garr
(16,920 posts)helped her raise money for her secretary of state race in Ohio in 2014. Of course, now shes making money bad mouthing the Clintons. No one ever calls her on that none of them are held accountable for their double standards.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)She has no problem stepping on the backs of people, those great names who have lived in the trenches to make human rights viable & recognized. The people who, thru their lifetime earned their own success.
She uses people.
That's why she is so disliked.
No one trusts someone who does what she does to others.
We all have known of her type, from our school years thru adulthood.
Users.
Backstabbers.
That's Nina's claim to fame.
LenaBaby61
(6,965 posts)Yep.
He's just lighter lighter-skinded
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)RandySF
(57,661 posts)Skittles
(152,967 posts)NOTHING the FBI DOES TO THEM WILL BE GOING TOO FAR
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)That person is off her rocker.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)She sure has some grandiose image of herself.
Wow. Amazing what a mic in the face does to the average person.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Not getting enough attention lately? Seems like none of you people can shut your lips.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)So back in the day the FBI terrorized civil rights leaders. Yes, that's true. But this current situation is in no way parallel? So why the fuck do you even bring it up? She is nuts nuts nuts. <--- Nina Turner
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)Comparing Michael Cohen to African American freedom fighters.
Wow.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)But she's on TV & cashed in bigly.
We all saw your agenda early on, Nina.
Mike Nelson
(9,903 posts)...bless her heart.
mcar
(42,210 posts)Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Nona Turner is an idiot and no should pay attention to her
arthritisR_US
(7,269 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)Why do you suppose that might be?
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)She has a credibility rating lower that Trump.
Cary
(11,746 posts)Turner is atrocious. I turn the channel of she is on.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)"MONEY & MEDIA"
oh ya..btw (there never really was a revolution)
Stinky The Clown
(67,697 posts)Give it a rest Nina. You've shown your allegiance to not Democrats.
LiberalFighter
(50,504 posts)Tarc
(10,472 posts)betsuni
(25,138 posts)The 1960s called and want you to shut up, Nina, also too.
Anon-C
(3,430 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Nina Turner examples should be included.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)"The FBI did some shady things in the past and even I'm not flat-out saying they're doing it in this case, let me plant that seed of doubt in your mind anyway."
Let's just call these phony progressives what they really are already - Trump supporters. I'm tired of beating around the bush with them.
Cha
(295,929 posts)John Fante
(3,479 posts)lend credence to the horseshoe theory in politics. They're so far to the left, they're holding hands with the right.
Cha
(295,929 posts)I like it, too.. Fauxprogs has a clear descriptive ring to it.
treestar
(82,383 posts)They are trying to drum up sympathy based on this? Where were they when it was "terrorism" or where were they when it was some hapless subject of a warrant not in high places?
Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)In the abstract Turner is right in that government can become over reaching. That's one reason why we declared independence from England. But checks and balances are essential and the courts are a big part of that. Right now I am most concerned about the conspiracy at the heart of Trump's presidency and am grateful that our judicial system still refuses to put Trump above the law.
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BoneyardDem
(1,202 posts)And continues along the same path. Her anti Hillary tirades helped tip the scales for many a Bernie Bros. Those who listened and internalized her message chose not vote for Hillary and many even went so far as to claim Trump may just be the lesson we all needed, to understand what happens when the crowd doesn't vote for Nina's pick. I'll be damned if they aren't doing it again.
herding cats
(19,549 posts)How very Republican like of her.
You attacked the Democratic candidate and supported Jill Stein on the GE, you lost your seat and you're now irrelevant. Just go away already.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)arthritisR_US
(7,269 posts)Tatiana
(14,167 posts)I'm so sick of her shenanigans. I'd respect her a lot more if she engaged in *helpful* activities to try to stay relevant.
This all about attention and publicity.
Upstate One
(83 posts)I understand her negative attitude toward Mueller.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Go look at JPR if you need proof
BlueDestiny
(25 posts)Come on now.
I have no clue what JPR is but to say Our Revolution has a lot of support from Russian trolls is pushing the envelope of reality.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)It is a site for bernie bros and Our Revolution types. The number of pro putin and pro russians posts are amazing
Our Revolution want to destroy the Democratic party.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)directly connected to him, to the KGB (I refuse to use their new name), but I wont.
Fact is simple, if it detracts from electing ANY democrat, it AINT from us.
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Enjoy your time here.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Their primary beneficiary was Trump, of course, but they also fluffed the far left. Why do you think Jill Stein was at RT's 120 anniversary, sitting right there with Putin? Why do you think they provided trolls in support of Sanders? And if Nina Turner and "Our Revolution" is seen as a useful tool to sow MORE division (and they surely are seen that way), then you should not be surprised that they will deploy resources to boost her and her message. She is, in the vernacular of the trade, a useful idiot.
BoneyardDem
(1,202 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:59 AM - Edit history (1)
It's always best to ask and educate yourself first, and then come from a place of knowledge.
JPR has a proven track record going back to it's inception. There are also plenty of other sites that rate chat rooms and JPR shows up regularly as one with lies, misinformation and Russian Trolls. Again, look it up.
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)You make good points. As for the rest of it, reality is reality. Skepticism is one thing; gaslighting is ineffective at this point.
http://www.propornot.com/p/the-list.html
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)Nah.. not.