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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNina Turner..........
On CNN with her "bitter twisted comments" on the Comey book and any social issue just rubs me the wrong way!
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Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)Demsrule86
(68,774 posts)Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)reaction!
Demsrule86
(68,774 posts)I think there are very few worse than her.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Another who used the Clintons & the benefit of the Democratic Party for self promotion & enrichment.
Demsrule86
(68,774 posts)Cha
(297,975 posts)Link to tweet
Yeah, nina is "worse" worse worse.
"political analyst" my Democratic
turner is useful to trump and corp media
Demsrule
Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)Demsrule86
(68,774 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Nope there's way worse out there..."
No one has argued otherwise, regardless of your reactions.
LexVegas
(6,121 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)She is very much a Bernie surrogate right now. Our Revolution is Bernie's child and Nina Turner is leading it the way Bernie wants it led. Bernie rips democrats everytime a microphone is in his face, so why do you expect different conduct from Turner?
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Nina the Nader
trueblue2007
(17,245 posts)she is hateful woman i think. She was horrible about Hillary. Spewing lies etc.
Cha
(297,975 posts)the fascistrumps and corp media.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)To me politics boil down to this principle. When you are stymied, take the route that is most likely to regain an advantage for you. 30% of Americans are so messed up that nothing seems to reach them. Another 15% isn't much better. 40% hate Trump and want anyone else, 15% can be convinced to go either way, who has the better looking argument win them.
Nina Turner and her ilk are part of that incorrigible 45%, time spent talking to them is wasted. So, why bother? Focus on those that we can work with to move forward.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)my posts get deleted. I wonder WHY?
arthritisR_US
(7,300 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,282 posts)kentuck
(111,111 posts)She seems more anti-Democratic Party than anything else.
George II
(67,782 posts)CM: How will Our Revolution relate to the DNC, the DCCC, the DSCC, that kind of establishment that so many activists and politicians, including you, have frequently criticized?
NT: I dont think it is our job nor our obligation to fit in. Its their job to fit in with us.
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CM: And how will Our Revolution relate to progressives within government who didnt back Bernie, like Sherrod Brown and Tammy Baldwin, if they go on to seek reelection?
NT: If they want Our Revolutions endorsement they will seek it like everybody else and so they gotta start with the local affiliates, and if the local affiliates say that this is the person that we want to back, then there it is. There it is.
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CM: And what about the Democratic Party at large. Do you see Our Revolution working to bring some unity to factions in the party?
NT: No. Not really.....
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CM: Will the group be endorsing non-Democrats?
NT: You know what, yes. We are open to it. And for me, Ive also heard the senator say this lately too
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https://www.thenation.com/article/nina-turner-it-is-not-our-job-to-fit-into-the-democratic-establishment/
sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)RIGHT HERE, SWINGIN'!
NT: I dont think it is our job nor our obligation to fit in. Its their job to fit in with us.
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If we want to "fit in" to the Democratic Party as defined by 'Our Revolution' then we Democrats who have been around for eons need to suck up to them? Who the hell says they are 'us'. They seem divisive. And all I have read...not really supportive of Democrats in general.
NT: If they want Our Revolutions endorsement they will seek it like everybody else and so they gotta start with the local affiliates, and if the local affiliates say that this is the person that we want to back, then there it is. There it is.
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The Revolution that says WE DEMOCRATS need to suck up to them for their support when they are saying that they will give full support to non Democrats. Wait What? This from a group that says we need to reach out to coddle trump supporters. We need to embrace, excite, coddle, nurture, beg, breast feed and cajole these people to vote for Democrats...yet by what I am seeing is Our Revolution saying Democrats can take a hike. It is my way or the highway.
NT: You know what, yes. We are open to it. And for me, Ive also heard the senator say this lately too
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Aaaah....the senator said that. Hmmm.
Never Nina. 🙄
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Anothr voice for division. We See You Nina
If that's her purpose, then who's funding her & giving her that voice to keep the division going into this year & on thru 2020.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)CTyankee
(63,926 posts)oasis
(49,464 posts)After Trump's victory, TURNER TURNED on the Democratic Party. There is no doubt about TURNER'S ability to TURN a dollar.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Those who willingly take her on show what they are made of also.
sheshe2
(84,029 posts)Then when questioned, she admits she never read...but would get around to it. Whoa. Say what?
stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)the anti-(fill in the blank) brigade cares not for those lil details..
bottomofthehill
(8,363 posts)She was an effective voice and leader, then she got a little airtime after playing footsie with Bernie and then Jill Stein and I think she liked it.
Please, tone down the unrealistic BS and come back to the party. We need your voice.
DURHAM D
(32,617 posts)She does not trust the investigators looking into M. Cohen.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)bottomofthehill
(8,363 posts)And am more than willing to admit the has been tilting towards the crazy. I did find her to be a good member of the Dem Leadership in the state house and wish that that Nina would come back. The national TV exposure seems to have made her mad with power
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)I was getting dressed while listening to it so can't tell you verbatim, but she seemed to be in agreement with Rick Santorum in his Comey bashing and also agreed that the raid on Cohen was unfair. Also Ronna Romney McDaniel, RNC Chair was also on the show bashing Comey and his book and saying that Comey had no credibility. Jake Tapper then asked her had she read the book and she said, "No" she hadn't but she planned to. So she was bashing him based on what he said in his book, yet she admitted she hadn't read it when asked by Tapper which seemed to take the wind out of her sail. Also, a few days ago she had announced an RNC campaign to discredit Comey. It just came across as the guests all were on the same side, the RNC.
lapucelle
(18,395 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)As far as I am concern, she can walk into an ocean and keep walking.
cmeneer
(253 posts)Agree completely.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)We'd never trust a word outta her two faced mouth.
She will never be one of us.
She chose her path to riches & fame by using anyone who'll fill her greedy belly.
She chose against America's free society for all its citizens.
Keep walking Nina the Nader
BoneyardDem
(1,202 posts)...claim to be the important role of political choices.
Can't stand her yammering.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)..2016 needed to divide the only Party who consistantly stands for ALL citizens, & elect Putin/Trump. The Party of billionare fascists.
They have a long long way to go before they can ever claim the Progressive title.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)But I want to ask you to please think of your language. That's telling her to commit suicide you're saying, and we're better than that. Tell her to shut up, tell her to start attacking the Republicans and Trump, tell her to stop being so contemptible, if you wish, but I would appreciate it if you stopped using triggering phrases like that.
JI7
(89,286 posts)Demsrule86
(68,774 posts)RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Let her kill the fringe instead
Me.
(35,454 posts)Never offer donuts to someone who someone who thought their chosen candidate would become the Dem presidential nominee and she would run as veep.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Cha
(297,975 posts)say to nina?
Sounds good! Mahalo
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Same shit stiring division for over 2 years now.
Nina's end game.
After that long a time, she holds no value but another Nader mouthpiece..
I wouldn't listen to anything Ed Schulz says anymore either.
Easy to define Nina's message since repeated it for years everytime she's got a mic.
She is not on the side of democracy for ALL.
She got a lakehouse too?
I despise her, Btw & she's constantly giving us a reason for that.
She owns that.
Nina the Nader is not what this country needs at a time when unity is so damned critical.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)*And* she's comparing it to the FBI hounding MLK, jr. She'll not endear herself to the majority of the Black community by that, talkign about Trump's lawyer and MLK, jr in the same breath is practically sacrilegious.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)She has identifyied her loyalty.
Bye Nina
$$$$
Cha
(297,975 posts)beyond stupid.
R B Garr
(17,010 posts)She is so completely mixed up. Attention is her only consistent requirement.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1804/15/sotu.01.html
"Let me ask you. President Trump tweeting about Cohen writing -- quote -- "Attorney Client privilege is now a thing of the past. I have many -- too many lawyers and they are probably wondering when their offices, and even homes are going to be raided with everything, including their phones and computers taken. All lawyers are deflated and concerned."
You're somebody who cares a lot about civil liberties. Does this raid on Michael Cohen's office, home, hotel, his safe deposit boxes, his electronic items, does this concern you at all?
NINA TURNER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: A little and maybe, I mean, if there is something really there, you know, then we'll -- that remains to be seen. But certainly throughout the history of this country especially when it comes to African-American folks, Black Panthers, you know, Dr. King, Malcolm X, other civil rights freedom fighters you can see that sometimes the government can go too far in its effort and be skewed one way.
Now that's not to say that the Cohen incident is parallel to that. But as American citizens we should have some concern for how this goes even if it is against somebody we don't like. It's not about like or dislike. It is about how we operate as a government.
TAPPER: In fact when James Comey was FBI director he used to keep on his desk a letter sent by the FBI surreptitiously --
TURNER: Yes.
TAPPER: -- telling Martin Luther King, Dr. King --
TURNER: That's right.
TAPPER: -- to commit suicide --
TURNER: That's right.
TAPPER: -- and he left it there to remind himself of the abuses.
TURNER: That's right. They wired -- you know, you're talking about taking down statues. I mean, to have a building named after Hoover for God's sake, J. Edgar Hoover, you know, we should think about that as a country.
GRANHOLM: But then on the other -- the flip side of that, of course, is that you now have a president who is disparaging law enforcement at the highest level.
This attack against Comey and the attack against Rosenstein is an attack against Mueller. And he's trying to conflate it all.
And, you know, Comey in his book I mean, believe me I certainly had issues with how he handled the Hillary Clinton thing. That was a difference of opinion.
I'm not saying that he liked. I'm saying that it was -- it was totally inappropriate to release all that information while there is also an investigation going on into Trump and none of that came out during the election.
TURNER: We can talk about both of those things.
GRANHOLM: No. We can't -- we can talk about that. My point about that is just saying that Comey even in his book, so it's a really important thing which is that those who are standing by and allowing this president to attack someone like Bob Mueller are really accomplices and he is really referring I think to the people like the Republicans in Congress who are allowing this to happen. TAPPER: Let's -- while you are talking about Sarah -- about the White House and the president attacking Comey let's take a listen to what I think under any circumstances was an unusual attack from the White House podium against the former FBI director by Sarah Sanders this week."
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Her responses to Tapper's questions were reasonable and thoughtful, the knee-jerk posts here not so much. Nina commited the cardinal sin of supporting someone other than the establishment corporate/donor-centric choice, and damn if they're ever going to let that go.
Nina is a powerful voice for the people, advocating for progressive policy over the neoliberalism the Democratic Party now embraces. I am with her 100% in that endeavor.
R B Garr
(17,010 posts)why she was speaking to a certain audience to reinforce some empty talking points that support anything anti-Democrat. Hillary has absolutely nothing to do with this particular episode, but you bringing her up illustrates that Nina's special audience got what she was saying even though Nina was completely babbling in the context of the Sunday show panel she was on. That is really the point here, and why Nina's comments were so obviously misplaced.
If Nina were so CONCERNED about the FBI, she would have been addressing why the Cohen raid even happened. Reality is that the FBI actually did screw Hillary over, but Nina is not CONCERNED about the FBI overreach in *that* instance. She is only concerned about some contrived FBI attacks on Trump's lawyer. That is how you can tell she is speaking to a limited audience.
Thanks for confirming what we all heard, but she tried to gloss it over by a phony analogy about the FBI and MLK and Malcolm X. Uh, no.
ismnotwasm
(42,023 posts)BlueDestiny
(25 posts)A strong progressive black woman is a beautiful thing! I wish Melissa Harris Perry was still on MSNBC. One to watch is Tara Samples, that girl is going places!
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)BlueDestiny
(25 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Party hopping is how she got where she is.
What her true beliefs are is debatable.
Maybe Nina's revolving door of political seeking fame has "evolved"
$$$$$$$
R B Garr
(17,010 posts)makes her sound completely mixed up and incompetent. She sounded laughable this morning.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)KitSileya
(4,035 posts)What else can she be? Besides a Trump-enabler, that is?
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Familar faces at her table..
Thanks Nina for showing your true Party loyalty.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)She voted for her in the GE, if I'm not much mistaken.
What Nina Turner said can be seen here (it's around the 4:20 mark):
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/04/15/sotu-panel-full.cnn
BlueDestiny
(25 posts)In 2016 she was offered the roll of running mate to Jill Stein but turned it down citing her commitment to the Democratic Party.
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2016/08/nina_turner_turns_down_offer_t.html
R B Garr
(17,010 posts)failed Ohio secretary of state bid. Well, well, well. Isnt that interesting.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)That Dem Party?
What does anyone think Our Rev is for?
Its intent all along has been to unseat every Dem they can, & cause a split in the voter block that would have helped keep Trump out of the Presidency.
She has her own agenda & its not about loyalty to anyone but her self promotion of cockeyed ideology, borrowed in pieces from others before her and compiled into an idea that serves her own ambitions before the people she claims to stand for.
She's basically full of it when she claims "Committment to the Dem Party".
Our Revolution proves that point.
That Dem Party? Just more word salad from Nina.
She, like others' "committment to the Dem Party was a useful tool for "Money & Media".
George II
(67,782 posts)JI7
(89,286 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Climb that ladder Nina!
BlueDestiny
(25 posts)Cha
(297,975 posts)and ears open.
BlueDestiny
(25 posts)Cha
(297,975 posts)his lawyer getting raided.
Like I said.. Turner is useful to trump and the corp media.
BlueDestiny
(25 posts)Health care, education, wages, those sorts of things, issues.
Cha
(297,975 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)And if she cared at all about the issues you listed, then she would be focused on fighting the orange asshole.
She is a professional gadfly. That's all. She like to hear herself complain. Especially about Democrats.
R B Garr
(17,010 posts)how it was attacked. She reveals her phoniness when she's more CONCERNED about how the FBI treated Trump's lawyer than how the FBI treated our nominee, Hillary Clinton. When she is more invested in umbrage about Trump's lawyer, nothing else she says is credible and is a reflection of her motives.
All those "issues" you mentioned are what every politician discusses, so she gets no special ribbons for discussing what every other politician is either campaigning or elected to discuss.
BlueDestiny
(25 posts)and by that I mean policy. It's TMZ politics is what it is and taking Nina's words and spinning them.
To many of us she isn't a phony either and is the real deal. It would seem that some have a problem with a black woman with a powerful voice and when you can't win on policy, you attack.
The FBI is not our friend nor has it ever been and this is what you're missing with what Nina is saying. MLK, Malcolm X, Fred Hampton, ask them how they feel about the FBI.
R B Garr
(17,010 posts)It's a very predictable "TMZ" tactic for someone who has no voice but is trying to bring attention to herself. That's it.
Speaking of women, Nina didn't care about the actual, proven tactics used by the FBI to harm Hillary Clinton, but instead manufactures some outrage about the FBI overreaching for a white racist President's lawyer. That's how it's easy to see this isn't about the FBI at all, so to throw MLK and Malcolm X in with her TMZ tactic, she just shows that she is willing to be a patsy for the Trumpies. That is certainly not a strong voice.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I guess if you want to offer up your own definitions for words, that's one thing.
But don't expect people to understand what you're talking about.
Cha
(297,975 posts)That's Nina's role.
BlueDestiny
(25 posts)isn't useful to Trump at all. If anything it would appear some are rather afraid of her including Trump.
I don't get the outrage about what she said either. The FBI is not our friend and never has been. Under Hoover, they said MLK was a Russian communist spy, targeted MLK & have a history of targeting black activists (Black Panthers.) Nina is a social justice warrior fighting the good fight and I admire that.
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Cha
(297,975 posts)BlueDestiny
(25 posts)Ragnarok Lobster? Seriously? You're going to cite him as a source? The same Ragnarok Lobster who tweeted this? Classy.
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Nina isn't fooling anyone and I'm sorry if you dislike a strong black woman who talks with heart and soul while preaching progressive values. To each their own but nobody has said exactly how she is wrong in what she's saying however many are misrepresenting what she said. Let's break down the truth.
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Cha
(297,975 posts)BlueDestiny
(25 posts)And I wouldn't expect anybody to know what good sources are when they cite Lobster as a source.
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Cha
(297,975 posts)insults.
That's all she ever has. You have nothing so you try to "kill the messenger". So typical.
I'm done.. you go ahead and keep up your insults.. it says everything about you and nothing about my sources.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)mcar
(42,452 posts)Just thought you should know.
BlueDestiny
(25 posts)Because "My sources are the best.. I wouldn't expect anyone who supports nina turner to know that." is pretty damn insulting but hey, I'm new here so of course I'm not white knighted.
Gothmog
(145,827 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)radius777
(3,635 posts)WoC were Hillary's strongest supporters.
Cha
(297,975 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)a strong black women a "token" & you don't have a problem with that.. surprising considering all your racial sensitivity last week.. your inconsistency is showing..
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)I dont have a problem with her being called a token, because I think she IS a token - and not only a willing (albeit not very effective) one, but one who tries to exploit it to her own advantage for all its worth.
Heres a clue - being racially sensitive does not mean defending every black person in every situation regardless how they behave. It also means calling out one of my own when I think they deserve it. And Nina Turner deserves it.
But thank you for your concern about how I choose to speak about other black people. If nothing else, its nice to know youre paying attention to my posts.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)if you have a problem with what Senator Sanders said which required a lot of reading into and/or interpreting what he said (aka spinning & smearing) vs. this, which is an outright offensive term directed at a prominent WOC.. then it is obvious you have an agenda and care little about "racial sensitivities"
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)who can never be criticized.
I'm also woke enough to know that one of the fundamental elements of tokenism is the hope that the token's black skin will stave off or blunt any valid criticism of the token or the cause she represents.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)if your gonna chose to be a token.. why take the difficult route to tokenism?? Why stand on principles?? Why not go on bended knee to TPTB?? Isn't that the whole point?? I mean, if your criticism is that she doesn't represent what she believes, that she is just using her "black skin" to advance herself it makes little sense to go the untraditional route and support the so called "outsider".. a bit of a contradiction.
& no she is no "snowflake"..
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EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Thats why I have so little respect for her.
But obviously, you like and respect her, and Im not gong to change your mind nor you mine, so it is what it is.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)who believe perfect candidates exist and when they dont, they are not to vote.
scary
The empressof all
(29,098 posts)She strikes me as someone who believes speaking her interpretation of the truth to be paramount regardless of who could be damaged.
Cha
(297,975 posts)We're strong and have wonderful leaders on the front lines fighting for us.
She's her own worst enemy.. she's useful to trump and the corporate media.
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Me.
(35,454 posts)is it exactly. I can't believe I used to root for this woman when she ran for SOS. But now... self-serving, duplicitous, greedy, grasping and a disgrace IMO. How could she, for a second, consider backing a Con?
Cha
(297,975 posts)I started reading all the crap she was spewing about President Obama and of course Hillary.
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Me.
(35,454 posts)Maybe an alien took over her body...
Cha
(297,975 posts)Atticus
(15,124 posts)a channel change. Why would anyone voluntarily listen to her nonsense?
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)BlueDestiny
(25 posts)As a WOC myself, Nina speaks for me and millions of others. For too long we haven't had a voice that spoke for us and told it as it is. Finally we do. I understand that may scare some people and it should.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)the more people who wake up to this, the better...
Caliman73
(11,760 posts)She was outspoken against what Republicans were doing in her state and in Wisconsin. It is sad to see how far she has gone into the dark underbelly with her constant criticism of the Democratic Party. I am not saying that criticizing the party is always wrong, but she seems to spend much much more energy doing that than attacking the actual party that is ruining the US.
Stinky The Clown
(67,838 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,452 posts)who loudly complained about the DNC snubbing her by offering her group donuts?
still_one
(92,494 posts)for the Democratic nominee, and did everything to undermine the Democratic nominee.
They can go to hell as far as I am concerned, and when 2020 rolls around I will do my part to insure that the Democratic nominate a Democrat, and not someone who only becomes a Democrat to satisfy their political ambitions.
I really have had it with their purist bullshit.
It is way past time for the Democrats to get rid of Open Primaries, and unDemocratic caucuses. I do NOT want non-Democrats determining who will be the Democratic nominee, which is what Open Primaries do.
For the who are unaware of Dan Lipinski, he was the extrememly conservative Illinois Democrat who won the primary against the progressive Democrat, and the main reason for that was because of their Open Primary, and republicans crossing over to insure the conservative Democrat would win the Democratic nomination.