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Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:07 PM Apr 2018

I will not link to their site but RT.com because it is Russian propaganda. RT is reporting that

Last edited Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:55 PM - Edit history (1)

there is no proof of a chemical attack. That there was a bombing of a building that caused a fire on another level of the building and people had smoke inhalation. There was an interview with one of the emergency workers at the emergency room person who said people rushed in, who are not medical professionals, and started pouring water on their relatives and other people because right after the bombing a chemical weapons scare was shouted by someone. This whole situation seems very strange. RT is saying "the White Helmets" were involved in the lie somehow. I don't know who the white helmets are but it seems very shaky what RT is saying. The timing of this on Friday the 13 is also suspect because of the Cohen situation. Not sure it's wag the dog but I do think a scenario of look at the shiny object over here and ignore the news regarding Cohen is involved.
If you care to check it out it's truly interesting to watch on RT. I don't trust their sourcing because it's Russian propaganda. Maybe now we'll see the pee tape from Putin

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I will not link to their site but RT.com because it is Russian propaganda. RT is reporting that (Original Post) Lint Head Apr 2018 OP
Why is it so hard to prove a chemical attack? Why is it always "suspected"? Fred Sanders Apr 2018 #1
It's not like they are letting people in to test the area etc. So that is why it's Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #4
So if it is just suspected, is a decleration of war on the country the proper response? Fred Sanders Apr 2018 #7
Are you saying chemical weapons should not be treated differently than conventional? oberliner Apr 2018 #17
"the White Helmets" are community volunteers in the Syrian Civil Defence procon Apr 2018 #2
Well I also believe if that Assholesad didn't use Chem weapons last week this wouldn't be Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #3
White helmets lunasun Apr 2018 #5
I wouldn't doubt that this was choreographed between Trump and Putin. world wide wally Apr 2018 #6
So because Trump did this, and it seems justified for using chemical weapons on civilians, GulfCoast66 Apr 2018 #8
At least if it's RT we know to expect Russian Propaganda HopeAgain Apr 2018 #9
Why would this be any more or less valid than the shit The_Casual_Observer Apr 2018 #10
Ill believe the French and their incontrovertible proof blake2012 Apr 2018 #11
RT are proven liars Loki Liesmith Apr 2018 #12
Oh boy Russian propaganda 4now Apr 2018 #13
I had hoped the days of breathlessly repeating Codeine Apr 2018 #14
Breathlessly? I think you're breathlessly reacting to my post Lint Head Apr 2018 #19
This is russian propaganda sharedvalues Apr 2018 #15
You need to know what the enemy is doing. Lint Head Apr 2018 #16
If you want to post propaganda, use Lakoff method: Truth first, then note the lie, then truth again. sharedvalues Apr 2018 #21
I do not a lecture or schooling in this regard. Thanks. I'm am very well educated. Lint Head Apr 2018 #22
Lakoff is ALWAYS worth discussing. Lets all try to avoid propaganda for the right. sharedvalues Apr 2018 #25
No shit, eh? RhodeIslandOne Apr 2018 #18
The only person less trustworthy than Trump is Putin./nt DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #20
I would never check out RT...I have no doubt Assad used chemical weapons. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #23
RT!? LOLOLOL!!!!! Adrahil Apr 2018 #24
more awareness of propaganda is needed sharedvalues Apr 2018 #26
Why does the Kremlin want us to believe there is no proof of a chemical attack? Wwcd Apr 2018 #27
Pentagon reported a 2000% increase in trolling after strikes. Hortensis Apr 2018 #28

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
1. Why is it so hard to prove a chemical attack? Why is it always "suspected"?
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:11 PM
Apr 2018

To this day is there anything more than suspicion, followed by verdict and execution of sentence...in 5 days while the public is supposed to swallow the conclusion whole...I remember Iraq...the American media is in love with war...that never changes...and very willing to forward any lie other war lovers use to justify killing...evidence or not.

Remember Iraq.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
7. So if it is just suspected, is a decleration of war on the country the proper response?
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:26 PM
Apr 2018

Is the message it is OK to kill innocents by missiles, and bombs dropped from the air, as America does, but not this method? Is there a difference to the dead and wounded?

Like other suburbs thissuburb is under control of foreign Islamist forces that had surrounded Damascus until driven out, this being the last area..why do the rebels offer no proof? Not a single molecule of the suspected agent?

Not to mention, Assad was already advancing on the suburb and likely to take it in days, just as they have in other suburbs...what is the point of using chemicals? Makes no sense. Revels have been decimated in the past year, all over Syra.

I like things to make sense, not be a Pavolian responder to the regurgitations of politicians, war lovingly media and war loving politicians anc corporations...but that is just me.

Do not buy it.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
17. Are you saying chemical weapons should not be treated differently than conventional?
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 10:29 AM
Apr 2018

Or are you saying that you don't think Syria used chemical weapons?

Or both?

procon

(15,805 posts)
2. "the White Helmets" are community volunteers in the Syrian Civil Defence
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:16 PM
Apr 2018

They are the equivalent first responders who risk their lives to help anyone in need during an emergency. They rush into bombed out buildings to rescue people without regard of religion or politics. They have been widely praised, so RT being what it is, I would not put too much stock in the propaganda they are trying to push.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
3. Well I also believe if that Assholesad didn't use Chem weapons last week this wouldn't be
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:16 PM
Apr 2018

happening...so really what kind of wag the dog is that? Trashbag said he was gonna strike prior to the Cohen raid.
To wag a dog it would need to be sustained...this coverage is only going to last a few days....just in time for the Comey interview and the book drop. RUMP needs to bomb Syria every fucking day in order for a successful wag the dog campaign.

Most everything coming from RT is a lie...it's what they do.
How FUCKING DARE THEY besmirch the white helmets who go in and risk their lives to save others. I believe they are from Turkey. I wish Putin would drop dead too even though I 'm sure there is another scumbag in the wings.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
5. White helmets
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:25 PM
Apr 2018
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/18/syria-white-helmets-conspiracy-theories
The Guardian has uncovered how this counter-narrative is propagated online by a network of anti-imperialist activists, conspiracy theorists and trolls with the support of the Russian government (which provides military support to the Syrian regime).

Victims of propaganda

The White Helmets, officially known as the Syria Civil Defence, is a humanitarian organisation made up of 3,400 volunteers – former teachers, engineers, tailors and firefighters – who rush to pull people from the rubble when bombs rain down on Syrian civilians. They’ve been credited with saving thousands of civilians during the country’s continuing civil war.

world wide wally

(21,759 posts)
6. I wouldn't doubt that this was choreographed between Trump and Putin.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:26 PM
Apr 2018

We'll know for sure if the missles were terribly inaccurate.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
8. So because Trump did this, and it seems justified for using chemical weapons on civilians,
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:27 PM
Apr 2018

We are prepared to believe RT that this is all a wag the dog thing even though we all know RT carries Putin’s water? And France and Britain I guess are in on the gag?

There are people and forces more evil than Trump in this world. Assad has repeatedly used Chemical weapons on his own people.

This may be the first thing Trump has done I do not hate. Even Germany tacitly supports this action.


HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
9. At least if it's RT we know to expect Russian Propaganda
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:29 PM
Apr 2018

I just don't know why anyone would go to their site

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
10. Why would this be any more or less valid than the shit
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:29 PM
Apr 2018

Coming out of the government? Nobody knows what the fuck is going on.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
19. Breathlessly? I think you're breathlessly reacting to my post
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 10:34 AM
Apr 2018

The intent is to have knowledge and to be aware of what the enemy is doing and what their propaganda is. You can think you know what they're going to say but you don't until you look and make you yourself aware. I do not approve of RT. And I resent your implication.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
16. You need to know what the enemy is doing.
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 10:28 AM
Apr 2018

Otherwise you're shouting into the dark. I'm not approving of what are RT is saying. To be ignorant of what your enemy is doing is to be blind. I know there is evidence.
I am resistant to any enemy of the United States and their propaganda. And I don't need schooling on how to do so.
You know nothing about me.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
21. If you want to post propaganda, use Lakoff method: Truth first, then note the lie, then truth again.
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 04:19 PM
Apr 2018
http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/california-forum/article193085404.html

With investigators closing in on Trump’s possibly treasonous Russia dealings, think of him as a trapped rat with a Twitter account. His attempts to distract will only intensify, but we must stop falling for them.

This doesn’t mean ignoring Trump. It means maintaining a steely focus on things that really matter, like the attack on our public institutions, the massive transfer of wealth and power to the rich, the resurgence of extreme racist politics, and the criminal investigation into the Trump Organization.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
25. Lakoff is ALWAYS worth discussing. Lets all try to avoid propaganda for the right.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:01 PM
Apr 2018

We could use more discussion of Lakoff here, so feel free to post more about him.

Demsrule86

(68,773 posts)
23. I would never check out RT...I have no doubt Assad used chemical weapons.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 04:09 PM
Apr 2018

And Trump did wag the dog...but the Russians are scum sucking liars.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
27. Why does the Kremlin want us to believe there is no proof of a chemical attack?
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:29 PM
Apr 2018

RT is Russia Propaganda.

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