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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAny candidate who tells me they want to Impeach Trump now will be cut off from financial support.
The only thing worse than not Impeaching Trump is Impeaching him and LOSING. Anyone who talks about Impeachment today is doing so based on what they THINK he did, not based on actual evidence made public. Starting an Impeachment process under those conditions will guarantee that you won't get 2/3 of the Senate to convict, allowing Trump to claim he's been "acquitted". Add to which, having the House Democratic majority spend their time on this increases the likelihood that we'll be out of control again in 2020, because non-base voters will again see that the Democrats aren't dealing with their immediate economic problems.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)so impeaching him at that moment makes perfect sense
If the circumstances were not what they were, firing either or both would NOT be but they matter, the circumstances and would in a court of law.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)brooklynite
(94,851 posts)...much less vote on them.
procon
(15,805 posts)Given the enormous advances in technology between then and now, most of those time consuming delays are no longer a relevant issue. Mueller's investigation is huge, far more massive by several orders of magnitude, and it incorporates far more people, events and pathways than those that led to Nixon's political demise. Yet by all accounts, Mueller is moving at lightspeed.
I strongly agree that any action that includes impeachment should wait until Mueller delivers his final conclusions or recommendations so that the facts and the truth can be revealed to the public. Only if justified, can we then consider making such a momentous decision to impeach a president.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)by a change to the Mueller investigation. Firing them alone means nothing at all.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)that it needs to be the Republican's idea if it is actually going to happen. I would run on Trump being the GOP party leader. Of course our candidates need to have some sort of agenda beyond being not Trump.
Leith
(7,813 posts)in order to make the best decisions.
We do not need the ignominy of running off half-cocked in the proverbial wrong direction.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,924 posts)Right now articles of impeachment wouldn't survive the complicit, spineless House Judiciary Committee (remember that most of the GOPers in the committee who voted on the Nixon articles in '74 didn't want to impeach the bastard, even after they'd heard the "smoking gun" tape). The Dems had a majority then, but not now.
Here are the current GOP members of the HJC:
Bob Goodlatte, Virginia, Chair
Jim Sensenbrenner, Wisconsin
Lamar S. Smith, Texas
Steve Chabot, Ohio
Darrell Issa, California
Steve King, Iowa
Louie Gohmert, Texas
Jim Jordan, Ohio
Ted Poe, Texas
Tom Marino, Pennsylvania
Trey Gowdy, South Carolina
Raúl Labrador, Idaho
Blake Farenthold, Texas (not any more!)
Doug Collins, Georgia
Ron DeSantis, Florida
Ken Buck, Colorado
John Ratcliffe, Texas
Martha Roby, Alabama
Matt Gaetz, Florida
Mike Johnson, Louisiana
Andy Biggs, Arizona
Karen Handel, Georgia
How many of those weasels would vote to impeach Spanky, even if he'd been caught on tape in a golden showers episode with their own wives?
elocs
(22,622 posts)Well now that I think of it, impeachment didn't remove Bill Clinton because the Senate failed to convict. It wouldn't convict Trump either.
Ultimately, impeachment without a possibility of conviction is like sex without the possibility of orgasm.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Preparing the ground is essential, and getting the public used to the idea of impeachment will take some time. Certainly, the Republicans didn't do their advance work when they impeached Clinton, but I think their goal was simply to impeach him, not convict. Their half-assed effort resulted in a half-assed result, but that was immaterial to their larger goal, which I think was to discredit the idea of impeachment as a partisan tool.
Democrats need to rehabilitate the concept of impeachment, and restore it as the people's constitutional remedy for removal of an unfit government official.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Impeachment would be the easiest route for Trump to escape his present difficulties at the moment.
dalton99a
(81,656 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Hope you don't mind I'm going to shamelessly steal that.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Is every bit as bad as the obstruction charge that republicans voted to impeach Clinton on. That said, the bar seems to be raised much higher.
Hekate
(90,927 posts)Impeachment without the votes to back it up is a pointless exercise. Taking back the House and Senate seems a prerequisite, due to the massive self-protective corruption of the GOP.
Special Counsel Bob Mueller is doing the right thing -- and very intelligent -- by referring certain information out to State justice systems, where Presidential pardons cannot reach.
Meanwhile, out in California, Kevin De Leon is starting to run nasty ads against Diane Feinstein. He says he's a "progressive," and that "seniority" is not a qualification. Thanks to our stupid system, he could actually knock her off. Now I kind of wish she had done what Barbara Boxer did: announce retirement and give the nod to a successor like Adam Schiff.
Sunsky
(1,737 posts)brooklynite
(94,851 posts)My funds only go so far.
Sunsky
(1,737 posts)They all need support. I prefer to fight battles post election.
brooklynite
(94,851 posts)If not, then you're applying some standard for selection. Mine includes being responsible on Impeachment.
Sunsky
(1,737 posts)brooklynite
(94,851 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,022 posts)I want resignation in the face of mounting evidence of criminal activity. Barring thatits a long shot I want Republicans hamstrung by voting more Democrats in office