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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRegardless of the Hillary situation, bashing Comey only helps Trump and the Republicans.
Comey is a witness to obstruction. Lets keep our eye on the ball and not discredit him as a witness...buy the book nothing could make Trump and the GOP hellions more angry. Already on TV...this is being discussed. Trump is terrified of Comey...look at his tweets...we are too smart to fall for this shit.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Ideological consistency is admirable.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)fall for Russian GOP crap about Comey. I want him to help get Trump for obstruction.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Yes, one of the things we stand for is seeing that Trump is removed form office and the rule of law restored. If you don't believe the witness of James Comey brings us closer to achieving that goal there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.
You should send that to Hallmark in the event we have a holiday where we celebrate cliches.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again though it contradict every thing you said to-day."
Ralph Waldo Emerson
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)And the New World (in Emerson and Thoreau's New England, no less) had far more wilderness than the other thing.
However, in this age of Russia-fed Trumpian chaos we must not mistake planned chaos for holy wilderness.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)GetRidOfThem
(869 posts)Trump is a national hazard that must be more than just contained. And Comey is vital in this fight.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)That was then. This is now. As John Maynard Keynes purportedly said " When the facts change, my opinion changes. What do you do, sir ?
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)brush
(53,771 posts)He's trying to redeem himself.
Have at it, Comey.
obnoxiousdrunk
(2,910 posts)louis c
(8,652 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:50 AM - Edit history (1)
I'm a pretty smart guy, but I have yet to learn how to go back in time.
Right now, Comey brings us closer to our goal. He fucked up with Clinton and admits it. There's plenty of blame to go around. But first we have to fix the problem.
Bradshaw3
(7,515 posts)We are fighting for our democracy and there are two opposite narratives going on. Comey was wrong in what he did during the campaign but he was on the right side after dump took office and is now. We need every person on deck in this fight and I wish the people who are still refighting 2016 would realize we need to look at the larger picture and move forward to win this fight with dump, the RW and, most importantly, the oligarchs.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Fullduplexxx
(7,860 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)At the very least, they think he's a useful idiot.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)useful idiot.
meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)the rest of the world thinks he's a disgrace. But not Russia.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)Fullduplexxx
(7,860 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)and a threat to everyone.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)work to stop Trump? What is the point of this? Discrediting Comey helps Trump.
Ninga
(8,275 posts)concern and questions might tarnish Comey.
I want to,hear from Comey, The Who, what where when and why he took to the podium 16 fucking days before the fucking election to "reopen" ?
I may be alone in my distain for arrogant Comey...so be it.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)smart enough not to fall for Russian GOP crap...they tricked us once...we going to help them discredit a major witness?
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)is that the NY FBI and Comey probably wanted to thread the needle. Allow Clinton to win but ensure she didn't have Senate and House majorities.
When and if the Democrats regain control of some institution, it should be all hands on deck investigating what actually did happen. We are talking about a Select Committee of the House investigation of the JFK and MLK type investigation.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)properly.
Ninga
(8,275 posts)my angst about Comey has any affect on the greater good.
Just sayin.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Ninga
(8,275 posts)outside to the porch.
To debate smartly, requires common sense. Anyone who takes this to twitter shows a lack of understanding.
I'll shut up now!
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)brush
(53,771 posts)Keep it in-house.
Yep, I went there. Couldn't help myself.
Cha
(297,174 posts)It's true, of course
brush
(53,771 posts)brush
(53,771 posts)redeem himself.
Let him have at but we won't forget what he did.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Shelving my righteous indignation.
You are correct, of course. I will put down my knives.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)putting up with Comey in order to stop him.
highplainsdem
(48,973 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)will be when a book that shows him to be a liar and an obstructionist hits the best seller list.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)Logic and common sense. I refuse to help drump and the Republicons by disagreeing with you. K&R!!
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)quickesst
(6,280 posts)I say if anyone has an axe to grind with Comey let them do it after he has served our purpose. He's not going anywhere.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)There may come a time when we ask for a explanation from Comey.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)For those who seemingly disagree with your OP, I believe they do grasp the rationale behind it, thus their disagreement.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)was that he assumed Dems would go along with it because we were still furious with Comey.
But theres a difference - at least for me.
I am absolutely furious with Comey for what he did to Hillary and may never get over it. ButI really dont think he did it out of malice or for political reasons. I think he was so obsessed with his own purity and bent over backwards trying to do what he thought was the right thing - being transparent with Congress - as stupid and boneheaded as that was in light of how he should have known they would handle it. It was arrogant and smacked of Im not political - so the election be damned sanctimony. I also think he believed Hillary would win so he wanted to look like a straight shooter who wasnt afraid of the most powerful person on earth - it was probably some kind of power play to set up the dynamics of the relationship he would have with the woman he thought would be the next president and his boss.
BUT I dont think Comey is corrupt or evil or dishonest. I think hes a straight arrow who tells the truth. And I think he is truly horrified by Donald Trump.
So, I agree that we shouldnt be joining in to the attacks on Comey. We have issues with him, but our issues are very different than the ones Trump and his crowd have - and right now, hes one of our strongest allies. We need to keep our powder dry and not help the Republicans with their dirty work.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)self-righteous. I will never get over the Hillary thing but as you say, we need to keep our powder dry. He is genuinely horrified by Trump as we all should be. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. We can't allow the GOP and Trump to discredit a major witness.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)I really appreciate your clarity and logic.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Ninga
(8,275 posts)I believe Comey would have to have had his arrogant hat on....
I do not believe for one hot minute that Mueller's success depends on the sale of Comey book.
The dog and pony TV book roll out interviews will seal the deal for Comey.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)the obstruction charge. We must not join in on this. I will buy the book simply to annoy Trump..if it hits the best seller list, Trump will be so pissed. I also believe that Comey is not completely corrupt...he could have gone along with Trump and still had his job.
Ninga
(8,275 posts)on the tip of a double edged sword. To discredit him, wouldn't they would need to expose Giuliani and the NYC Feds? Nah, it ain't gonna happen....they will NOT discredit Comey over what he did to help Trump win....
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)the revelations and information - and the discussions theteof - can go a long way to changing public perceptions of Trump and his behavior.
Lets remember that most Republicans arent nutjobs (I know, I know - hard to tell) and, notwithstanding Trumps bleating, they are generally very pro-law enforcement. Having the former head of the FBI, a straight arrow right out of Central Casting, out trashing Trump can soften up Trumps support among the less batshit members of the GOP.
Butterflylady
(3,543 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,515 posts)I think he was in a bad situation and made a bad call. That being said, James Comey is a career professional who wants the best for our country. If he has any evidence that can lead to getting rid of Trump, I'm ready to hear it.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)Remember that Chaffetz is the one that cherry-picked the memo, and leaked it.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)It always leaves me curious. Given the circumstances he was in what was the right call?
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)squirming like the snake he is. I will do nothing to discredit a witness against him.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)He has already discredited himself.
Luckilly, there are thousands of witnesses to Trump's crimes and betrayals.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)should not help the GOP do this.He is a very important witness and his firing an example of Trump's obstruction of the Russian investigation.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)If nothing else, he can serve as an object lesson as to the danger of associating in any way with a Trump--but he will no doubt corroborate many facts that Mueller will be presenting.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)credibility has been destroy by such words as even the Democrats...
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)He is not an unmixed bag of shit. By the standards of the Trump Administration, at least, he's downright patriotic.
I have his book on order.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Trump is and that he is a danger to our country and the rule of law. Regardless of how we feel about Comey...Trump admitted obstructing justice when he fired Comey in the Hold interview.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)now simply with pre-orders. It will be on the NY Times list probably week of 4/29.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)be discredited in order to 'save' Trump. Trump just threatened the Panama that if they don't help the Trump steal that hotel ...they will go after them. Trump must be stopped. Whatever Comey did or didn't do. He tried to stop Trump from interfering with the Russian investigation.
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)There is, I suspect, a very real possibility that some anti-democracy pseudo-democrats will take to the internet, and attempt to stir the pot, to create chaos. Such dynamics might be found on any political discussion site. As Beatle George Harrison warned, "Beware of darkness."
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)collusion and obstruction...we must try to stop this. I have no doubt the Russian trolls are at it too.
dalton99a
(81,459 posts)HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)All these absolutes and all this rigid thinking has turned American politics into the dumpster fire it is. Comey is neither all good or all evil. It's almost impossible to get to the facts when everything has to carry a political spin. Comey's actions before the election was a tragic mistake. His actions and assessments with regard to Trump since sound spot on.
Clear critical thinking is essential to democracy's future. I am not goingto become them, only with a different political viewpoint.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)I have done things that I am ashamed of to this day.
mcar
(42,307 posts)But you are correct, Demsrule. We have to keep our eyes on the ball. Comey is a witness to Dotard & Cos crimes.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)However, you are right he is an important witness against Dotard and his crime family.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Selling books, making money, and getting a moment in the sun is a fine agenda for the man.
There is nothing to hang OUR hats on, as we know from all of his negative, destructive actions that impacted the 2016 election at the last moment.
Let him rehab his name. It is not my job.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)to help destroy an important Mueller witness.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)"I have one perspective on the behavior I saw, which while disturbing and violating basic norms of ethical leadership, may fall short of being illegal, Comey said.
With "friends" like this...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/04/13/the-not-so-good-news-for-democrats-in-james-comeys-book/
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)obstructionist particularly with Flynn...and he calls Trump a liar multiple times.
manor321
(3,344 posts)Our side insists on being pure instead of strategic. This is one reason conservatives win.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)dsc
(52,160 posts)won't be nuns and saints but that doesn't mean we need to pretend that Comey is a saint. He can be both a flawed person and a witness who is telling the truth.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)good or bad...he did refuse to help Trump obstruct justice.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)but Trump's firing of him was for totally different and corrupt reasons. That's what Democrats need to emphasize if they're ever called out about their own criticisms of Comey.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)But his firing was obstruction.
dalton99a
(81,459 posts)I welcome all ammunition against the regime
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)intervene in the hotel dispute...there will be repercussions...threatened a country to help his business...he is a criminal.
elocs
(22,569 posts)Anybody who wants to trash Comey right now is doing exactly as Trump does.
Who here wants to double-team with Trump to stomp Comey?
At this moment Comey is hurting Trump and that's a good thing.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)him when he fired Comey. I t didn't work. And they are trying to use us again to justify Trump's behavior..."why Dems agree that Trump is a bad actor and needed to fired". It isn't true. Trump obstructed justice when he fired Comey. We must consider to act in ways that serves our need too oust Trump.
bucolic_frolic
(43,144 posts)he paddles from the right. He tries to nuance non-partisanship, but has a tin ear for the effect of his analysis on the political discourse. This book will be a great read, but it will create controversy, and it may not help achieve the balance or higher moral political purpose he hopes to achieve. That said, I have great admiration for the man, he is always interesting to listen to and he doesn't miss a trick and will not be duped very often.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)It wasn't just the unbelievably unjust and unlawful Hillary situation, either. That was simply the most disgusting and conspicuous example of a pattern of partisan criminality that is so appalling it can't be even be discussed here. No, I have no sympathy for Comey and don't give a fig what he says about anything. He's worse than corrupt, he's a corrupt RWNJ on a mission and he's better off out of power.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)stand up for the rule of law in the Flynn situation. Personally, I am offended that Trump tried to use us to get rid of Comey for not being fair to Hillary when Trump and his minions were behind Wiki leaks and colluded with Russia to get dirt on her . Trump hates Hillary and the firing of Comey had nothing to do with Comey's mishandling of the Hillary situation...it was obstruction. Comey would not go along with Trump's attempt to kill the Russian investigation. Also, a good point that Comey made is Trump's complete disinterest in making Russians pay for their meddling in our election. I thank God that Comey would not pledge loyalty to Trump. Can you imagine if he had?
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)His book will no effect on anything other than his own hagiography and there's no reason to believe a word of it. He's not our friend and as a nation we are much better off with him gone. I wish Sessions would hurry up and get himself fired but he's too crooked to allow that to happen I guess. I frankly don't have hopes that Mueller will ever produce anything of much value to us but he's clearly got himself well-situated which is good. Comey is simply burnishing his own reputation and his book is a complete non-sequitur.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)simple. Trump wants your support in the firing of Comey...I can't believe you will give it in the end.
progressoid
(49,988 posts)That is, not a lot.
It's nice that it will piss off Donnie, but in the long run, will it have anymore impact than Fire and Fury did? It'll be a hot topic for a week or so and then we're back to the nightmare on Pennsylvania Ave. I don't know what his intentions were in writing this book. But since it was supposedly vetted by the FBI, I doubt there will be any bombshells.
The ball to keep an eye on is Mueller and his team.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)not be destroyed by Trump and his minions. They should not be able to use our words to accomplish this.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)I have issues with Comey over Hillary for sure but I can walk and chew gum at the same time. Today's issue isn't about Hillary it's about getting rid of tRump and if Comey can help with that by telling his story so be it. I even ordered his book.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)It is about getting rid of a president who obstructed justice like you said.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)he can do.
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)We cannot allow the Trumpsters or Right-wing own the narrative on this one because that's their plan. Yes, we can all find fault with Comey and his actions at the end of the 2016 election. I have my own theories on the 'why' of that but it hardly matters at this point.
Defeating Trump's corrosive effect on the country, bulldozing the November election with a massive Democratic win and supporting Mueller/Comey/the investigative team in the Trump/Russia question is the only thing that matters.
And you're absolutely right--Trump is terrified of what's coming. This is a man who has never been held accountable for anything. Comey represents the end of the ballgame for Don the Con and his entire criminal enterprise. They know it; we know it.
It's now all about pushing through the last of the Trumpster's defenses and ignoring the propaganda.
We can do this on all fronts. It's our storyline now!!
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)eloquently.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)His testimony and this book plus interviews is a good start.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)I don't think Godwin's Law is in much danger to say that this unadministation is the worst government of a powerful democratic nation since the 30's. There is almost no deal I wouldn't make with Comey to get Job One accomplished.
He is one person in the entire human context, but in this context, he is a potential colossus. There is little room ATM for the moral absolutism that, really, has been the province of the GOP for decades.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)of the purists on DU must be playing well with the Trump crowd, and giving their Russian bots and trolls some great ideas.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)But we are in crisis mode now. We need to lay aside our anger and deal with the real emergency our country is facing NOW. Job One: Flip the House and if possible the Senate. Job Two: Get rid of Trump. I believe Comey can help with the second at least, so to hell with my anger. The system is flashing red and we have to save our democracy.
Right now, NOTHING else matters. Nothing.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)down judges.
awesomerwb1
(4,267 posts)Ok, juvenile rant over.
It doesn't help our side to criticize him right now....so I'll bite my tongue.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)elmac
(4,642 posts)the enemy of our enemy is our friend, as long as we need him we should have his back. As far as what he did to HRC, I will never forgive.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)still_one
(92,181 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 13, 2018, 08:26 PM - Edit history (1)
lie about the letter to Congress, versss the obstruction of justice
The media and republicans are trying to confuse those two issues, in spite of Democrats being quite clear about those differences
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)blake2012
(1,294 posts)Some on DU attacking Comey right now are sincereuseful idiots who mean well, others are conservative trolls, some are JPR trolls and I imagine some of them are good people.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)be angry and easily manipulated and then there are the trolls.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)With all due respect to you, please don't tell us how to feel that an asshole got elected president.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Trump's hands. I think what Comey did was wrong but his firing was obstruction, and he is an important witness in the obstruction investigation.