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Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:11 AM Apr 2018

Regardless of the Hillary situation, bashing Comey only helps Trump and the Republicans.

Comey is a witness to obstruction. Lets keep our eye on the ball and not discredit him as a witness...buy the book nothing could make Trump and the GOP hellions more angry. Already on TV...this is being discussed. Trump is terrified of Comey...look at his tweets...we are too smart to fall for this shit.

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Regardless of the Hillary situation, bashing Comey only helps Trump and the Republicans. (Original Post) Demsrule86 Apr 2018 OP
I don't see how any rational person could demur from your assessment. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #1
Democrats stand for things other than annoying Trump oberliner Apr 2018 #8
I disagree. Sidelining Trump is our most important mission as he is a danger to our country. I won't Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #10
I don't see how any rational person could demur from your assessment. (REDUX) DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #22
Let's disentangle this, shall we ? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #20
Well said! You words reminded me of Emerson...one of my favorite quotes. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #39
Emerson! Nice! Transcendentalism emerged via an appreciation of nature... DemocracyMouse Apr 2018 #105
Very interesting point. I went to High School in New England. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #120
I am with you! GetRidOfThem Apr 2018 #62
If you were here during the election you would have seen us all excoriating him. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #66
Great quote...I was not familiar with it...so going to steal it! Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #70
Yeah, let's see how his book helps to get trump out, but never forget what he did to put trump in. brush Apr 2018 #96
+1. Thank you. obnoxiousdrunk Apr 2018 #81
No matter what else we have to do, we must first remove and discredit Trump louis c Apr 2018 #84
It goes a lot deeper than "annoying trump" Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #87
And can be as counterproductive AF RandomAccess Apr 2018 #117
Thanks so much ...always a pleasure to talk to you. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #17
Comey is as bad if not worse than any russian infiltrator Fullduplexxx Apr 2018 #2
No he is not...he hates Trump so he is clearly not a Russian. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #4
Lots of Russians hate Trump oberliner Apr 2018 #5
No they don't. They elected him and God knows how he as already helped them. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #9
Sorry-I don't believe that leftynyc Apr 2018 #86
Whether they like him or not they support him. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #121
Because he's THEIR leftynyc Apr 2018 #137
That is the only country right now that gives him positive poll numbers meadowlark5 Apr 2018 #128
In their own way, Comey's actions were more threatening to our democracy than Putin's were. (eom) StevieM Apr 2018 #110
Agreed ..... nt Fullduplexxx Apr 2018 #111
I completely disagree. The Russians hacked the Clinton emails...Putin is murdering scum bag Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #122
Def. +1000000! SammyWinstonJack Apr 2018 #139
Comey's behavior with respect to HRC was shameful oberliner Apr 2018 #3
Sure it was but Comey is a witness to Trump's obstruction so how exactly does your OP Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #6
Well do we just kick the can down the road? I don't give a shit that my sincere Ninga Apr 2018 #7
I do...because nothing can be done about the Hillary situation, but we can stop Trump if we are Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #12
I think the answer to that question exboyfil Apr 2018 #13
I agree completely. Neither the House nor the Senate under GOP control will investigate Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #15
As far as I can tell, the only place the knives are out, is here. I do not believe that Ninga Apr 2018 #25
It has started at twitter...some names I know some are not surprisingly new...hmmm Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #35
I hope such tweets sink. I am Italian. We fight within the family but never ever take it Ninga Apr 2018 #42
Please don't shut up...I enjoy your input. And I agree...keep it in the family. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #54
Agreed. This is a complaint many of us have with a certain senator from a small state. brush Apr 2018 #106
Glad you did.. Cha Apr 2018 #141
I'm with you on that. Ghouliani's role in that NY FBI cabal needs to be outted. brush Apr 2018 #103
It was actually only 11 days before the election that he tipped it to trump. Now he's trying to... brush Apr 2018 #100
Hope his book ends up in the bargain bin at the Dollar store. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2018 #140
So does Trump. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #143
I hate it when the greater good is best served by me.... NCTraveler Apr 2018 #11
Thank you. We have to consider the harm Trump will do and do everything in our means including Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #14
Agree. K&R highplainsdem Apr 2018 #16
Thank you so much! I am ordering the book today...and smiling as I think how pissed Trump Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #21
Your statement has two things going for it.... quickesst Apr 2018 #18
Thank you...appreciate it. I just can't see Trump using Dems to discredit Comey. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #23
You're welcome quickesst Apr 2018 #30
Now is not the time to help the GOP discredit Comey. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #34
Agree.... quickesst Apr 2018 #46
Yes, I don't understand it either. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #56
You are right. One of the reasons Trump thought he would get away with firing Comey EffieBlack Apr 2018 #19
You said it much better than I did...I agree that Comey is a straight arrow...almost Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #27
As usual, you are dead on EffieBlack Apr 2018 #74
Effie thanks...that means a great deal coming from you. I have long admired your posts. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #85
Aww, thanks, Boo EffieBlack Apr 2018 #91
Let's keep up the good fight and try to make a better world. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #144
I love you EffieBlack, and your thesis is interesting. But order to be rolled by Rudy Giuliani, Ninga Apr 2018 #33
It is not the sale of the book...it is the need to discredit Comey as a witness in order to escape Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #58
I understand. If the trumpins try and discredit Comey over this issues they will find themselves Ninga Apr 2018 #73
It doesnt depend on the sale of the book BUT EffieBlack Apr 2018 #76
Thank you, your right on the money. Butterflylady Apr 2018 #116
Comey showed poor judgement in regards to his statements about Hillary, IMO, but Arkansas Granny Apr 2018 #24
Me too! I want him to be a credible witness and not destroyed by the Trump crime family. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #29
I think at best we can say Comey was naive, expecting the GOP to treat it confidentially Tarc Apr 2018 #94
I see this often Egnever Apr 2018 #138
Letting Comey off the hook is how human refuse like Pompeo gets confirmed. n/t Orsino Apr 2018 #26
Apples and oranges...Comey is not on any hook first of all. Trump is on a hook and he is Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #31
Comey is on the hook for interfering with the election, and has given no good excuse/reason yet. Orsino Apr 2018 #40
He has not discredited himself in terms of Trump and his value as a witness. And we Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #49
He will have his say, and that's good. Orsino Apr 2018 #53
That is what I am hoping for...and the GOP won't I hope be able to disregard his words because his Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #61
He also refused to be 'loyal' to Trump and exonerate Flynn. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #52
Well, so he says. Orsino Apr 2018 #57
I do too... can you imagine the Trump anger if it hits the best seller list? Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #63
I think that Trump anger has already guaranteed it bestseller status. n/t Orsino Apr 2018 #71
Hopefully as Effie said it will move the less batshit crazy GOP types to realize how awful Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #88
It's been #1 on Amazon for a while leftynyc Apr 2018 #89
That is good news. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #145
Comey was fired in an act of obstruction which Trump admitted to Lester Holt which is why he must Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #59
Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2018 #28
Oh for sure. The GOP must destroy Comey to give Trump a fighting chance at surviving Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #32
+1. Most definitely. dalton99a Apr 2018 #55
How have American politics been so reduced to black and white? HopeAgain Apr 2018 #36
It is true...we are all a little bit gray...not completely good nor completely evil. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #47
I will never forget or forgive Comey for his actions toward HRC mcar Apr 2018 #37
I agree with you. I too will never forget or forgive Comey for what he did to HRC. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #45
Comey sounds like any disgruntled former employee with an ax to grind. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #38
That is not true. His book paints Trump as a liar and a obstructionist...and it is our interest not Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #43
"Liar and obstructionist." yallerdawg Apr 2018 #64
He will let Mueller hand out the indictments as he should. But the book paints Trump as an Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #90
Exactly manor321 Apr 2018 #41
Yep, we need to be strategic. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #44
I understand that if you are going after a conspiracy your witnesses dsc Apr 2018 #48
But we should hold our fire until after the investigation is over and no one is completely Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #65
I have plenty of problems with Comey (re: Hillary Clinton) Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2018 #50
That is exactly right. I hate what comey did during the election. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #67
History will not forget what he did to Hillary, but this is a good time to let him speak. dalton99a Apr 2018 #51
We have to stop Trump...he just sent a threatening letter to Panama telling them if the don't Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #69
Exactly. The enemy of my enemy is my friend at this moment. elocs Apr 2018 #60
+1 dalton99a Apr 2018 #68
+1000 Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #72
+1 workinclasszero Apr 2018 #75
Not sure when -bashing- became the all purpose synonym for criticism jberryhill Apr 2018 #77
There is no good to be had in criticizing Comey. Trump hoped to have Dems agree with Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #92
Comey steers to the political middle but bucolic_frolic Apr 2018 #78
I agree with you. I am hoping this infuriates Trump and he makes mistakes. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #93
One could use the same logic to reach the opposite conclusion: Comey needed to go, period. ucrdem Apr 2018 #79
One could...and most who advance this theory are Republicans (not you obviously) but he did Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #95
Comey IS a Republican. He's also a liar. And he needed to be fired. ucrdem Apr 2018 #104
Well I disagree. Comey was fired to end the Russian investigation...that is obstruction pure and Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #146
I'll give him about as much respect as I give Morning Joe. progressoid Apr 2018 #80
It is not the book. Comey is an important person in the obstruction case against Trump. Thus he must Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #97
I agree Demsrule86........ Little Star Apr 2018 #82
I have issues with Comey about Hillary too. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #98
Ding, ding, we have a winner.. I have to agree with this. n/t secondwind Apr 2018 #83
Thank you...I want Trump's yellow ass to be in jail when this is over and to minimize the damage Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #101
Thank you, Demsrule peggysue2 Apr 2018 #99
Well said. You should make this an OP...you are exactly right and you said it so Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #134
Comey had a lot to atone for SHRED Apr 2018 #102
Yes, I truly think he regrets his actions concerning Hillary. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #133
I wonder if he addresses this in the book? SHRED Apr 2018 #135
Indeed. Comey is now in our corner. IluvPitties Apr 2018 #107
Yes and we need to cut him some slack despite what he did in 16. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #132
Exactly. Getting rid of Trump is the goal. IluvPitties Apr 2018 #136
It's time for pragmatism and unified action. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #108
Yes...Comey can help show what Trump is...a threat to civilization. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #131
The bashing of Comey by some billh58 Apr 2018 #109
Yes...it serves no useful purpose for Democrats. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #130
I'm as angry as anyone about what Comey did to Hillary NastyRiffraff Apr 2018 #112
It is an emergency. That is what I think too. I would be so thrilled if we get the Senate and shut Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #129
Comey sucks!! awesomerwb1 Apr 2018 #113
He does suck. I actually think he thought Hillary would win and he didn't want to be blamed later. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #127
Its no news that Comey is a republicon and probably voted for the prick, but elmac Apr 2018 #114
I won't forgive him either. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #126
There are two different issues. Comey allowing the media and the republican to distort and still_one Apr 2018 #115
That is true. I think Trump really thought Democrats would support the firing of Comey. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #125
Correction: MOST are too smart to fall for it. blake2012 Apr 2018 #118
Yep. you are correct. It really hurt what happened to Hillary. I could see how people could still Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #123
K&R Jamaal510 Apr 2018 #119
Thanks! Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #124
Comey is the reason why that cretin got elected as president. akbacchus_BC Apr 2018 #142
With all due respect, I didn't tell you how to feel only how condemning Comey plays into Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #147

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
10. I disagree. Sidelining Trump is our most important mission as he is a danger to our country. I won't
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:18 AM
Apr 2018

fall for Russian GOP crap about Comey. I want him to help get Trump for obstruction.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
20. Let's disentangle this, shall we ?
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:24 AM
Apr 2018
"Democrats stand for things other than annoying Trump."


Yes, one of the things we stand for is seeing that Trump is removed form office and the rule of law restored. If you don't believe the witness of James Comey brings us closer to achieving that goal there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.



Ideological consistency is admirable.


You should send that to Hallmark in the event we have a holiday where we celebrate cliches.



Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
39. Well said! You words reminded me of Emerson...one of my favorite quotes.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:40 AM
Apr 2018

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again though it contradict every thing you said to-day."

Ralph Waldo Emerson

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
105. Emerson! Nice! Transcendentalism emerged via an appreciation of nature...
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:16 AM
Apr 2018

And the New World (in Emerson and Thoreau's New England, no less) had far more wilderness than the other thing.

However, in this age of Russia-fed Trumpian chaos we must not mistake planned chaos for holy wilderness.



GetRidOfThem

(869 posts)
62. I am with you!
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:57 AM
Apr 2018

Trump is a national hazard that must be more than just contained. And Comey is vital in this fight.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
66. If you were here during the election you would have seen us all excoriating him.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:00 AM
Apr 2018

That was then. This is now. As John Maynard Keynes purportedly said " When the facts change, my opinion changes. What do you do, sir ?

brush

(53,771 posts)
96. Yeah, let's see how his book helps to get trump out, but never forget what he did to put trump in.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:05 AM
Apr 2018

He's trying to redeem himself.

Have at it, Comey.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
84. No matter what else we have to do, we must first remove and discredit Trump
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:39 AM
Apr 2018

Last edited Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:50 AM - Edit history (1)

I'm a pretty smart guy, but I have yet to learn how to go back in time.

Right now, Comey brings us closer to our goal. He fucked up with Clinton and admits it. There's plenty of blame to go around. But first we have to fix the problem.

Bradshaw3

(7,515 posts)
87. It goes a lot deeper than "annoying trump"
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:48 AM
Apr 2018

We are fighting for our democracy and there are two opposite narratives going on. Comey was wrong in what he did during the campaign but he was on the right side after dump took office and is now. We need every person on deck in this fight and I wish the people who are still refighting 2016 would realize we need to look at the larger picture and move forward to win this fight with dump, the RW and, most importantly, the oligarchs.

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
128. That is the only country right now that gives him positive poll numbers
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 04:33 PM
Apr 2018

the rest of the world thinks he's a disgrace. But not Russia.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
122. I completely disagree. The Russians hacked the Clinton emails...Putin is murdering scum bag
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 04:21 PM
Apr 2018

and a threat to everyone.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
6. Sure it was but Comey is a witness to Trump's obstruction so how exactly does your OP
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:16 AM
Apr 2018

work to stop Trump? What is the point of this? Discrediting Comey helps Trump.

Ninga

(8,275 posts)
7. Well do we just kick the can down the road? I don't give a shit that my sincere
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:16 AM
Apr 2018

concern and questions might tarnish Comey.

I want to,hear from Comey, The Who, what where when and why he took to the podium 16 fucking days before the fucking election to "reopen" ?

I may be alone in my distain for arrogant Comey...so be it.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
12. I do...because nothing can be done about the Hillary situation, but we can stop Trump if we are
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:20 AM
Apr 2018

smart enough not to fall for Russian GOP crap...they tricked us once...we going to help them discredit a major witness?

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
13. I think the answer to that question
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:20 AM
Apr 2018

is that the NY FBI and Comey probably wanted to thread the needle. Allow Clinton to win but ensure she didn't have Senate and House majorities.

When and if the Democrats regain control of some institution, it should be all hands on deck investigating what actually did happen. We are talking about a Select Committee of the House investigation of the JFK and MLK type investigation.

Ninga

(8,275 posts)
25. As far as I can tell, the only place the knives are out, is here. I do not believe that
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:27 AM
Apr 2018

my angst about Comey has any affect on the greater good.

Just sayin.

Ninga

(8,275 posts)
42. I hope such tweets sink. I am Italian. We fight within the family but never ever take it
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:41 AM
Apr 2018

outside to the porch.

To debate smartly, requires common sense. Anyone who takes this to twitter shows a lack of understanding.

I'll shut up now!

brush

(53,771 posts)
106. Agreed. This is a complaint many of us have with a certain senator from a small state.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:17 AM
Apr 2018

Keep it in-house.

Yep, I went there. Couldn't help myself.

brush

(53,771 posts)
100. It was actually only 11 days before the election that he tipped it to trump. Now he's trying to...
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:10 AM
Apr 2018

redeem himself.

Let him have at but we won't forget what he did.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
11. I hate it when the greater good is best served by me....
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:19 AM
Apr 2018

Shelving my righteous indignation.

You are correct, of course. I will put down my knives.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
14. Thank you. We have to consider the harm Trump will do and do everything in our means including
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:21 AM
Apr 2018

putting up with Comey in order to stop him.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
21. Thank you so much! I am ordering the book today...and smiling as I think how pissed Trump
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:25 AM
Apr 2018

will be when a book that shows him to be a liar and an obstructionist hits the best seller list.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
18. Your statement has two things going for it....
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:24 AM
Apr 2018

Logic and common sense. I refuse to help drump and the Republicons by disagreeing with you. K&R!!

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
30. You're welcome
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:30 AM
Apr 2018

I say if anyone has an axe to grind with Comey let them do it after he has served our purpose. He's not going anywhere.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
34. Now is not the time to help the GOP discredit Comey.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:34 AM
Apr 2018

There may come a time when we ask for a explanation from Comey.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
46. Agree....
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:44 AM
Apr 2018

For those who seemingly disagree with your OP, I believe they do grasp the rationale behind it, thus their disagreement.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
19. You are right. One of the reasons Trump thought he would get away with firing Comey
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:24 AM
Apr 2018

was that he assumed Dems would go along with it because we were still furious with Comey.

But there’s a difference - at least for me.

I am absolutely furious with Comey for what he did to Hillary and may never get over it. ButI really don’t think he did it out of malice or for political reasons. I think he was so obsessed with his own “purity” and bent over backwards trying to do what he thought was the right thing - being transparent with Congress - as stupid and boneheaded as that was in light of how he should have known they would handle it. It was arrogant and smacked of “I’m not political - so the election be damned” sanctimony. I also think he believed Hillary would win so he wanted to look like a straight shooter who wasn’t afraid of the most powerful person on earth - it was probably some kind of power play to set up the dynamics of the relationship he would have with the woman he thought would be the next president and his boss.

BUT I don’t think Comey is corrupt or evil or dishonest. I think he’s a straight arrow who tells the truth. And I think he is truly horrified by Donald Trump.

So, I agree that we shouldn’t be joining in to the attacks on Comey. We have issues with him, but our issues are very different than the ones Trump and his crowd have - and right now, he’s one of our strongest allies. We need to keep our powder dry and not help the Republicans with their dirty work.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
27. You said it much better than I did...I agree that Comey is a straight arrow...almost
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:29 AM
Apr 2018

self-righteous. I will never get over the Hillary thing but as you say, we need to keep our powder dry. He is genuinely horrified by Trump as we all should be. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. We can't allow the GOP and Trump to discredit a major witness.

Ninga

(8,275 posts)
33. I love you EffieBlack, and your thesis is interesting. But order to be rolled by Rudy Giuliani,
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:33 AM
Apr 2018

I believe Comey would have to have had his arrogant hat on....

I do not believe for one hot minute that Mueller's success depends on the sale of Comey book.

The dog and pony TV book roll out interviews will seal the deal for Comey.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
58. It is not the sale of the book...it is the need to discredit Comey as a witness in order to escape
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:52 AM
Apr 2018

the obstruction charge. We must not join in on this. I will buy the book simply to annoy Trump..if it hits the best seller list, Trump will be so pissed. I also believe that Comey is not completely corrupt...he could have gone along with Trump and still had his job.

Ninga

(8,275 posts)
73. I understand. If the trumpins try and discredit Comey over this issues they will find themselves
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:05 AM
Apr 2018

on the tip of a double edged sword. To discredit him, wouldn't they would need to expose Giuliani and the NYC Feds? Nah, it ain't gonna happen....they will NOT discredit Comey over what he did to help Trump win....

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
76. It doesnt depend on the sale of the book BUT
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:13 AM
Apr 2018

the revelations and information - and the discussions theteof - can go a long way to changing public perceptions of Trump and his behavior.

Let’s remember that most Republicans aren’t nutjobs (I know, I know - hard to tell) and, notwithstanding Trump’s bleating, they are generally very pro-law enforcement. Having the former head of the FBI, a straight arrow right out of Central Casting, out trashing Trump can soften up Trump’s support among the less batshit members of the GOP.

Arkansas Granny

(31,515 posts)
24. Comey showed poor judgement in regards to his statements about Hillary, IMO, but
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:27 AM
Apr 2018

I think he was in a bad situation and made a bad call. That being said, James Comey is a career professional who wants the best for our country. If he has any evidence that can lead to getting rid of Trump, I'm ready to hear it.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
94. I think at best we can say Comey was naive, expecting the GOP to treat it confidentially
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:01 AM
Apr 2018

Remember that Chaffetz is the one that cherry-picked the memo, and leaked it.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
138. I see this often
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 07:20 PM
Apr 2018

It always leaves me curious. Given the circumstances he was in what was the right call?

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
31. Apples and oranges...Comey is not on any hook first of all. Trump is on a hook and he is
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:31 AM
Apr 2018

squirming like the snake he is. I will do nothing to discredit a witness against him.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
40. Comey is on the hook for interfering with the election, and has given no good excuse/reason yet.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:40 AM
Apr 2018

He has already discredited himself.

Luckilly, there are thousands of witnesses to Trump's crimes and betrayals.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
49. He has not discredited himself in terms of Trump and his value as a witness. And we
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:46 AM
Apr 2018

should not help the GOP do this.He is a very important witness and his firing an example of Trump's obstruction of the Russian investigation.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
53. He will have his say, and that's good.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:48 AM
Apr 2018

If nothing else, he can serve as an object lesson as to the danger of associating in any way with a Trump--but he will no doubt corroborate many facts that Mueller will be presenting.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
61. That is what I am hoping for...and the GOP won't I hope be able to disregard his words because his
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:56 AM
Apr 2018

credibility has been destroy by such words as even the Democrats...

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
57. Well, so he says.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:51 AM
Apr 2018

He is not an unmixed bag of shit. By the standards of the Trump Administration, at least, he's downright patriotic.

I have his book on order.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
88. Hopefully as Effie said it will move the less batshit crazy GOP types to realize how awful
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:49 AM
Apr 2018

Trump is and that he is a danger to our country and the rule of law. Regardless of how we feel about Comey...Trump admitted obstructing justice when he fired Comey in the Hold interview.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
89. It's been #1 on Amazon for a while
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:51 AM
Apr 2018

now simply with pre-orders. It will be on the NY Times list probably week of 4/29.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
59. Comey was fired in an act of obstruction which Trump admitted to Lester Holt which is why he must
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:55 AM
Apr 2018

be discredited in order to 'save' Trump. Trump just threatened the Panama that if they don't help the Trump steal that hotel ...they will go after them. Trump must be stopped. Whatever Comey did or didn't do. He tried to stop Trump from interfering with the Russian investigation.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
28. Recommended.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:29 AM
Apr 2018

There is, I suspect, a very real possibility that some anti-democracy pseudo-democrats will take to the internet, and attempt to stir the pot, to create chaos. Such dynamics might be found on any political discussion site. As Beatle George Harrison warned, "Beware of darkness."

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
32. Oh for sure. The GOP must destroy Comey to give Trump a fighting chance at surviving
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:33 AM
Apr 2018

collusion and obstruction...we must try to stop this. I have no doubt the Russian trolls are at it too.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
36. How have American politics been so reduced to black and white?
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:37 AM
Apr 2018

All these absolutes and all this rigid thinking has turned American politics into the dumpster fire it is. Comey is neither all good or all evil. It's almost impossible to get to the facts when everything has to carry a political spin. Comey's actions before the election was a tragic mistake. His actions and assessments with regard to Trump since sound spot on.

Clear critical thinking is essential to democracy's future. I am not goingto become them, only with a different political viewpoint.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
47. It is true...we are all a little bit gray...not completely good nor completely evil.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:44 AM
Apr 2018

I have done things that I am ashamed of to this day.

mcar

(42,307 posts)
37. I will never forget or forgive Comey for his actions toward HRC
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:38 AM
Apr 2018

But you are correct, Demsrule. We have to keep our eyes on the ball. Comey is a witness to Dotard & Cos crimes.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
45. I agree with you. I too will never forget or forgive Comey for what he did to HRC.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:43 AM
Apr 2018

However, you are right he is an important witness against Dotard and his crime family.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
38. Comey sounds like any disgruntled former employee with an ax to grind.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:38 AM
Apr 2018

Selling books, making money, and getting a moment in the sun is a fine agenda for the man.

There is nothing to hang OUR hats on, as we know from all of his negative, destructive actions that impacted the 2016 election at the last moment.

Let him rehab his name. It is not my job.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
43. That is not true. His book paints Trump as a liar and a obstructionist...and it is our interest not
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:41 AM
Apr 2018

to help destroy an important Mueller witness.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
64. "Liar and obstructionist."
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:59 AM
Apr 2018

"I have one perspective on the behavior I saw, which while disturbing and violating basic norms of ethical leadership, may fall short of being illegal,” Comey said.

With "friends" like this...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/04/13/the-not-so-good-news-for-democrats-in-james-comeys-book/

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
90. He will let Mueller hand out the indictments as he should. But the book paints Trump as an
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:51 AM
Apr 2018

obstructionist particularly with Flynn...and he calls Trump a liar multiple times.

dsc

(52,160 posts)
48. I understand that if you are going after a conspiracy your witnesses
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:45 AM
Apr 2018

won't be nuns and saints but that doesn't mean we need to pretend that Comey is a saint. He can be both a flawed person and a witness who is telling the truth.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
65. But we should hold our fire until after the investigation is over and no one is completely
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:00 AM
Apr 2018

good or bad...he did refuse to help Trump obstruct justice.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
50. I have plenty of problems with Comey (re: Hillary Clinton)
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:47 AM
Apr 2018

but Trump's firing of him was for totally different and corrupt reasons. That's what Democrats need to emphasize if they're ever called out about their own criticisms of Comey.

dalton99a

(81,459 posts)
51. History will not forget what he did to Hillary, but this is a good time to let him speak.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:47 AM
Apr 2018

I welcome all ammunition against the regime

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
69. We have to stop Trump...he just sent a threatening letter to Panama telling them if the don't
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:02 AM
Apr 2018

intervene in the hotel dispute...there will be repercussions...threatened a country to help his business...he is a criminal.

elocs

(22,569 posts)
60. Exactly. The enemy of my enemy is my friend at this moment.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:56 AM
Apr 2018

Anybody who wants to trash Comey right now is doing exactly as Trump does.
Who here wants to double-team with Trump to stomp Comey?
At this moment Comey is hurting Trump and that's a good thing.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
92. There is no good to be had in criticizing Comey. Trump hoped to have Dems agree with
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:55 AM
Apr 2018

him when he fired Comey. I t didn't work. And they are trying to use us again to justify Trump's behavior..."why Dems agree that Trump is a bad actor and needed to fired". It isn't true. Trump obstructed justice when he fired Comey. We must consider to act in ways that serves our need too oust Trump.

bucolic_frolic

(43,144 posts)
78. Comey steers to the political middle but
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:22 AM
Apr 2018

he paddles from the right. He tries to nuance non-partisanship, but has a tin ear for the effect of his analysis on the political discourse. This book will be a great read, but it will create controversy, and it may not help achieve the balance or higher moral political purpose he hopes to achieve. That said, I have great admiration for the man, he is always interesting to listen to and he doesn't miss a trick and will not be duped very often.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
79. One could use the same logic to reach the opposite conclusion: Comey needed to go, period.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:23 AM
Apr 2018

It wasn't just the unbelievably unjust and unlawful Hillary situation, either. That was simply the most disgusting and conspicuous example of a pattern of partisan criminality that is so appalling it can't be even be discussed here. No, I have no sympathy for Comey and don't give a fig what he says about anything. He's worse than corrupt, he's a corrupt RWNJ on a mission and he's better off out of power.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
95. One could...and most who advance this theory are Republicans (not you obviously) but he did
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:04 AM
Apr 2018

stand up for the rule of law in the Flynn situation. Personally, I am offended that Trump tried to use us to get rid of Comey for not being fair to Hillary when Trump and his minions were behind Wiki leaks and colluded with Russia to get dirt on her . Trump hates Hillary and the firing of Comey had nothing to do with Comey's mishandling of the Hillary situation...it was obstruction. Comey would not go along with Trump's attempt to kill the Russian investigation. Also, a good point that Comey made is Trump's complete disinterest in making Russians pay for their meddling in our election. I thank God that Comey would not pledge loyalty to Trump. Can you imagine if he had?

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
104. Comey IS a Republican. He's also a liar. And he needed to be fired.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:13 AM
Apr 2018

His book will no effect on anything other than his own hagiography and there's no reason to believe a word of it. He's not our friend and as a nation we are much better off with him gone. I wish Sessions would hurry up and get himself fired but he's too crooked to allow that to happen I guess. I frankly don't have hopes that Mueller will ever produce anything of much value to us but he's clearly got himself well-situated which is good. Comey is simply burnishing his own reputation and his book is a complete non-sequitur.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
146. Well I disagree. Comey was fired to end the Russian investigation...that is obstruction pure and
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:56 AM
Apr 2018

simple. Trump wants your support in the firing of Comey...I can't believe you will give it in the end.

progressoid

(49,988 posts)
80. I'll give him about as much respect as I give Morning Joe.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:25 AM
Apr 2018

That is, not a lot.

It's nice that it will piss off Donnie, but in the long run, will it have anymore impact than Fire and Fury did? It'll be a hot topic for a week or so and then we're back to the nightmare on Pennsylvania Ave. I don't know what his intentions were in writing this book. But since it was supposedly vetted by the FBI, I doubt there will be any bombshells.

The ball to keep an eye on is Mueller and his team.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
97. It is not the book. Comey is an important person in the obstruction case against Trump. Thus he must
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:07 AM
Apr 2018

not be destroyed by Trump and his minions. They should not be able to use our words to accomplish this.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
82. I agree Demsrule86........
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:35 AM
Apr 2018

I have issues with Comey over Hillary for sure but I can walk and chew gum at the same time. Today's issue isn't about Hillary it's about getting rid of tRump and if Comey can help with that by telling his story so be it. I even ordered his book.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
98. I have issues with Comey about Hillary too.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:08 AM
Apr 2018

It is about getting rid of a president who obstructed justice like you said.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
101. Thank you...I want Trump's yellow ass to be in jail when this is over and to minimize the damage
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:10 AM
Apr 2018

he can do.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
99. Thank you, Demsrule
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:09 AM
Apr 2018

We cannot allow the Trumpsters or Right-wing own the narrative on this one because that's their plan. Yes, we can all find fault with Comey and his actions at the end of the 2016 election. I have my own theories on the 'why' of that but it hardly matters at this point.

Defeating Trump's corrosive effect on the country, bulldozing the November election with a massive Democratic win and supporting Mueller/Comey/the investigative team in the Trump/Russia question is the only thing that matters.

And you're absolutely right--Trump is terrified of what's coming. This is a man who has never been held accountable for anything. Comey represents the end of the ballgame for Don the Con and his entire criminal enterprise. They know it; we know it.

It's now all about pushing through the last of the Trumpster's defenses and ignoring the propaganda.

We can do this on all fronts. It's our storyline now!!



BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
108. It's time for pragmatism and unified action.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:28 AM
Apr 2018

I don't think Godwin's Law is in much danger to say that this unadministation is the worst government of a powerful democratic nation since the 30's. There is almost no deal I wouldn't make with Comey to get Job One accomplished.

He is one person in the entire human context, but in this context, he is a potential colossus. There is little room ATM for the moral absolutism that, really, has been the province of the GOP for decades.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
109. The bashing of Comey by some
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:35 AM
Apr 2018

of the purists on DU must be playing well with the Trump crowd, and giving their Russian bots and trolls some great ideas.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
112. I'm as angry as anyone about what Comey did to Hillary
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:44 AM
Apr 2018

But we are in crisis mode now. We need to lay aside our anger and deal with the real emergency our country is facing NOW. Job One: Flip the House and if possible the Senate. Job Two: Get rid of Trump. I believe Comey can help with the second at least, so to hell with my anger. The system is flashing red and we have to save our democracy.

Right now, NOTHING else matters. Nothing.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
129. It is an emergency. That is what I think too. I would be so thrilled if we get the Senate and shut
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 04:33 PM
Apr 2018

down judges.

awesomerwb1

(4,267 posts)
113. Comey sucks!!
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:47 AM
Apr 2018

Ok, juvenile rant over.

It doesn't help our side to criticize him right now....so I'll bite my tongue.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
114. Its no news that Comey is a republicon and probably voted for the prick, but
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:48 AM
Apr 2018

the enemy of our enemy is our friend, as long as we need him we should have his back. As far as what he did to HRC, I will never forgive.

still_one

(92,181 posts)
115. There are two different issues. Comey allowing the media and the republican to distort and
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 12:06 PM
Apr 2018

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lie about the letter to Congress, versss the obstruction of justice

The media and republicans are trying to confuse those two issues, in spite of Democrats being quite clear about those differences

 

blake2012

(1,294 posts)
118. Correction: MOST are too smart to fall for it.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 03:24 PM
Apr 2018

Some on DU attacking Comey right now are sincereuseful idiots who mean well, others are conservative trolls, some are JPR trolls and I imagine some of them are good people.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
123. Yep. you are correct. It really hurt what happened to Hillary. I could see how people could still
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 04:28 PM
Apr 2018

be angry and easily manipulated and then there are the trolls.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
142. Comey is the reason why that cretin got elected as president.
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 06:11 AM
Apr 2018

With all due respect to you, please don't tell us how to feel that an asshole got elected president.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
147. With all due respect, I didn't tell you how to feel only how condemning Comey plays into
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:59 AM
Apr 2018

Trump's hands. I think what Comey did was wrong but his firing was obstruction, and he is an important witness in the obstruction investigation.

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