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The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 06:39 PM Jul 2012

Police murder in Perkasie Pa

Matt Coughlin Staff Writer Phillyburbs.com
Posted on July 30, 2012
by Matt Coughlin
Perkasie police erred in shooting and killing a handcuffed man, but it wasn't a crime, according to the Bucks County District Attorney’s Office.
Michael Marino Jr., 26, posed a danger to the officers after they arrested him behind an abandoned building next to railroad tracks in Sellersville on June 9, DA David Heckler said Monday. But he also called into question several tactical decisions made at the scene that led to the fatal altercation.
And, Heckler said charging the officer who shot Marino, Seth Mumbauer, with manslaughter, would be making him a scapegoat for society's decisions.
According to the Bucks County Detectives' reports filed with the DA's office, Marino, of Quakertown, was handcuffed and seated on an embankment when the sergeant on duty that day stepped away to call for an ambulance. An officer started patting down Marino, who began yelling gibberish and flailing, police said. That officer and Mumbauer began struggling with Marino, who kicked down one officer. After being repeatedly kicked, Mumbauer was able to step free, pull his gun and shoot Marino.

They shot and killed a man in handcuffs. A man with mental illness and a drug problem. No charges are being filed. Was the officer tested for steroids? No answer. He got mad and shot a person yet he walks.
Can you believe that excuse. It is societies fault that the cop lost his temper and shot the person.
I am sick

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Police murder in Perkasie Pa (Original Post) The Jungle 1 Jul 2012 OP
I wonder how often that DA is reluctant to make anyone else... mike_c Jul 2012 #1
The more they get away with it, the more it will happen. Scootaloo Jul 2012 #2
What were the police supposed to do with this guy? Archae Jul 2012 #3
Taser? Nightstick? Pin him to the ground? Fumesucker Jul 2012 #4
They tried. Archae Jul 2012 #5
"Synthetic marijuana"? Fumesucker Jul 2012 #8
It's called "K2" in head shops. Archae Jul 2012 #9
Bingo, it's not marijuana at all.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #11
I wish he had been smoking pot. Archae Jul 2012 #12
So lets just MURDER him DiverDave Jul 2012 #10
killing our own people!!! HiPointDem Aug 2012 #15
Not having read the article ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #6
That's how we do it in bootstrap land. nt raouldukelives Aug 2012 #14
Were they also wearing digital camoflauge and toting fully automatic weapons? Earth_First Jul 2012 #7
Two cases-two outcomes JrsyGirl Aug 2012 #13
Answers to your silliness guest0429 Aug 2012 #17
Yay, Cops! Iggo Aug 2012 #16

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
1. I wonder how often that DA is reluctant to make anyone else...
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 06:44 PM
Jul 2012

"...a scapegoat for society's decisions." That is beyond lame.

Archae

(46,364 posts)
3. What were the police supposed to do with this guy?
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 06:48 PM
Jul 2012

Being handcuffed doesn't always mean someone is harmless.

And this guy was out of his mind.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
4. Taser? Nightstick? Pin him to the ground?
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 06:51 PM
Jul 2012

There are other options besides shooting a handcuffed person..

Archae

(46,364 posts)
5. They tried.
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 06:54 PM
Jul 2012

The full article with link:

Perkasie police erred in shooting and killing a handcuffed man, but it wasn't a crime, according to the Bucks County District Attorney’s Office.

Michael Marino Jr., 26, posed a danger to the officers after they arrested him behind an abandoned building next to railroad tracks in Sellersville on June 9, DA David Heckler said Monday. But he also called into question several tactical decisions made at the scene that led to the fatal altercation.

And, Heckler said charging the officer who shot Marino, Seth Mumbauer, with manslaughter, would be making him a scapegoat for society's decisions.

According to the Bucks County Detectives' reports filed with the DA's office, Marino, of Quakertown, was handcuffed and seated on an embankment when the sergeant on duty that day stepped away to call for an ambulance. An officer started patting down Marino, who began yelling gibberish and flailing, police said. That officer and Mumbauer began struggling with Marino, who kicked down one officer. After being repeatedly kicked, Mumbauer was able to step free, pull his gun and shoot Marino.

Authorities said Marino had stopped taking mental health medication before the incident, that synthetic marijuana was found in his system and white plastic beads, which he had swallowed, were found in his stomach.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/crime/da-shooting-not-criminal-never-should-have-happened/article_e93a9b2c-5a15-573c-b941-f5a4418d9354.html

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
8. "Synthetic marijuana"?
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 07:00 PM
Jul 2012

No such thing unless the guy was taking Marinol, which is quite expensive (considerably more so than the real thing), requires a prescription, is actually synthetic THC and comes in a capsule..

Sounds like bullshit to me and definitely makes me suspect the rest of the story..

Archae

(46,364 posts)
12. I wish he had been smoking pot.
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 07:11 PM
Jul 2012

He would have been mellowed out, not freaking out on someone's weird concoction of chemicals.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
6. Not having read the article ...
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 06:54 PM
Jul 2012

I wonder what "societal decision" the DA is referring to? It being more cost-effective to shoot and kill a mentally ill drug addict, than arrest, house and daresay I, provide treatment?

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
7. Were they also wearing digital camoflauge and toting fully automatic weapons?
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 06:55 PM
Jul 2012

You know, they *new* civilian law enforcement department....

JrsyGirl

(1 post)
13. Two cases-two outcomes
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:10 AM
Aug 2012

Here's a history of "death by Cop" in Bucks County.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/my_town/pennridge/no-word-on-sellersville-shooting-ruling/article_6c5b31c8-8010-5380-90df-117fb503652f.html

It's interesting how the ten page report shows pictures of the scene, but no pictures of Marino's swollen wrists from the handcuffs. No pictures of the officer bruised jaw. A cop shoots and kills, then weaves a story as to why he was in fear of his life- a kick to the groin and jaw. But, no so much in fear that back up wasn't called. Also, witness statements were given almost immediately. Cops statements were given over 10 days later, after all three cops met and re enacted the scene together, without independent council. What happened to - pull them aside separately within hours of the incident and interview? Truth doesn't need collaboration.

June 18th- NJ cop, went to same district, armed with enough weapons to take a neighborhood down, shot at police, had a bullet proof vest on... and was "negotiated" to safety.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57455142-504083/doylestown-shooting-richard-klementovich-off-duty-nj-cop-faces-attempted-homicide-charges-after-standoff-with-police/

Difference? The Perkasie cop is notorious for his temper/harassment of citizens. The big bad 6'7" 200 lb cop, standing on solid ground was furious that a 5'6" 135 lb cuffed and sitting on unstable embankment kicked him in the groin.

guest0429

(2 posts)
17. Answers to your silliness
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:01 PM
Aug 2012

Umm... They have two different outcomes because they were two different situations. Mumbauer is not "known for his temper/harassment". Yes... I know this for fact. You're basing that comment off Marinos family and friends statements. None of them live in perkasie or sellersville to have ever come in contact with him. Marino kicked him in the groin and in the jaw. That wouldn't knock you for a loop? Marino then stood up and lunged at mumbauer. Did you forget to read that part? He was also 160lbs... Not 135lbs.

The doylestown situation?! That was a depressed and crazy cop from jersey. They were shooting at him! They were ordered to kill him if need be. He just lucked out that he didn't get hit.

The news reporters were the one who got the witness accounts firsthand... Gee... Wonder if that's why they came out first? One more thing... Why should they show you the autopsy pics of Marinos wrists, or the bruising of the cops face? Did you stop to think that maybe its sealed evidence?

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