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kpete

(72,035 posts)
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 09:10 AM Apr 2018

Apparently Manafort has a pal who owns a storage locker with boxes of evidence (Now in FBI hands)

JUST IN: Paul Manafort asks judge to suppress evidence from over 20 boxes of files from a storage locker in Va. Motion contains some juicy lists of what the boxes contain. 2 lists below. Full motion, courtesy of





Paul Manafort is still writhing on the hook as his September trial approaches, filing various motions to fend off Mueller about this or that. In THE RAID last year (remember that one Paulie? The no-knock warrant? Where you woke up at 6am with the FBI handing you your robe and slippers, telling you “keep that toothbrush in plain sight...sir”?), the one that seized all sorts of electronic devices, ledgers, bank accounts numbers (and now we know, froze their cash) now comes another piece.

Apparently Manafort has a pal who owns a storage locker. In the same RAID the FBI also seized 20 boxes of Manafort’s STUFF from that storage locker. We know this because Manafort just filed a motion to suppress the evidence from those 20 boxes (and Mueller will of course counter-file.) When you do that, you have to be specific, so Manafort had to NAME the 20 boxes in question.



So he said (according to a CNBC reporter’s twitter HERE) there’s this one labeled X, and and that one labelled Y, etc. Box 12 read “Ukraine Binders” (!!) and listed things like “Georgia” (likely the country, not the state) “ballot security”, “Ukraine campaign”(!) and stuff like that. (No word if this was also labeled “Pre-Season Warm-Up for Hillary”)

Yes, Mr. Mueller is going to be DAMN interested in keeping that stuff in evidence.

Also, another box label mentions “Jules Nasso.” Who?

Apparently back in ‘04 Mr. Nasso pleaded guilty to threatening the actor Steven Seagal on behalf of the Gambino Crime family. (“Mr. Seagal? I have a message from my boss….”). And Mr. Jules Nasso is connected to Paul Manafort?

Way to pick your friends there, Paulie! Part 1.

Oh and BTW, part of Manafort’s defense and motion to suppress is that Mueller’s warrant didn’t extend to the Storage Locker. Which is actually 100% true.

On the other hand, apparently Mueller’s team went to the ACTUAL OWNER of the storage locker and asked permission to search it...and the guy said something like, “Sure. Anything to help the FBI.” You don’t need a warrant if the owner says ‘Yes.’

Way to pick your friends there, Paulie! Part 2.

Hope this helps that second cup of coffee on Saturday taste even better.

Shalom.




MORE:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/4/7/1754954/-Mueller-is-Closing-in-the-Left-is-Energized-and-Trump-is-Unraveling-Saturday-s-Good-News#comment_69800160
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4433460-Suppress.html



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Apparently Manafort has a pal who owns a storage locker with boxes of evidence (Now in FBI hands) (Original Post) kpete Apr 2018 OP
Kick and Rec. Manafort and his lawyers are not as clever as they seem to think they are emulatorloo Apr 2018 #1
If the friend says "sure, anything to help the FBI" FakeNoose Apr 2018 #11
Which why they stopped and went to get a warrant.... Historic NY Apr 2018 #31
Or the FBI told him that if he didn't cooperate, TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #64
Mmmmm, *storage locker*....I just about started drooling when I first saw a reference to it!!! Leghorn21 Apr 2018 #2
There's a reason..... SergeStorms Apr 2018 #63
The leaking is something else . . . Iliyah Apr 2018 #3
Why does anyone have loyalty to such an asshole as Trump?? triron Apr 2018 #28
Because he's her Daddy! erronis Apr 2018 #38
I don't think it is loyalty to Trump NastyRiffraff Apr 2018 #48
Can they just pull his bail so Manafort can get on with the rest of his life? dem4decades Apr 2018 #4
very good! WhiteTara Apr 2018 #25
Manafort is going to need an entire department just to prosecute him jberryhill Apr 2018 #5
Who was the prick who led the chants "lock her up?" Him or flynn? Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #51
Flynn jberryhill Apr 2018 #54
Awesome roscoeroscoe Apr 2018 #6
Gates is singing like a canary. Blue_true Apr 2018 #7
I think you're misunderstanding the timeline ... or I am ... mr_lebowski Apr 2018 #34
I read that some new raids were done this week. Blue_true Apr 2018 #57
Rethug viewpoint.... magicarpet Apr 2018 #8
Jules Nasso C_U_L8R Apr 2018 #9
yes. mercuryblues Apr 2018 #50
Nasso-Manafort-Trump Izzy Blue Apr 2018 #60
Manafort's appeal to the court Botany Apr 2018 #10
Not to mention extradition to Ukraine MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #13
Defense argument is that the agent had no probable cause for entering the storage unit, ancianita Apr 2018 #14
So if during the first raid of Manafort's home which was done with a legal search warrant .... Botany Apr 2018 #16
They want to limit the scope of warrants. This was located not in the home, but a storage locker. ancianita Apr 2018 #17
I am not a lawyer but it seems to me that warrant #1 led to warrant #2 @ the storage locker and ... Botany Apr 2018 #24
I'm not, either, and that's why the court is instructive. But I get how, in the eyes of lawyers, ancianita Apr 2018 #26
Warrant 2 wasn't necessary WhiteTara Apr 2018 #27
he is claiming.... getagrip_already Apr 2018 #12
Very good points. I thought only his foreign accounts were grantcart Apr 2018 #20
"If all his bank accounts were frozen, where is the money for lawyers coming from?" erronis Apr 2018 #39
Place your bets, ladies and gents.....Will Trump & Co go to the slam for dealing with Russia and.... LongTomH Apr 2018 #15
How about, "all of the above?" Nitram Apr 2018 #19
When you see Air Force 1 fly to Russia for a summit... it's going to be a one-way trip for Trump. TheBlackAdder Apr 2018 #58
I love it! Nitram Apr 2018 #18
Asked for more detail Manafort said "smoking gun in box 3" grantcart Apr 2018 #21
Methinks that when ALL of the details come out about these thugs and thieves Grammy23 Apr 2018 #22
Now I know I'm preaching to the choir here when I say I believe this treason PatrickforO Apr 2018 #23
His goose is so cooked vlyons Apr 2018 #29
That's enough to make me a vegetarian. Get that butterball lardass turkey out of my eyes! erronis Apr 2018 #40
Wow! Talk about a major development. machoneman Apr 2018 #30
Paper records? Seems to me, a crook wouldn't keep paper records, unless, it was insurance of some ki lindysalsagal Apr 2018 #32
YOu couldnt make a movie out of all this. It would have to be a TV series spanning years. Amaryllis Apr 2018 #33
Did he have a box marked "illegal Russia stuff"? Happyhippychick Apr 2018 #35
Did anyone notice? TwistOneUp Apr 2018 #36
Yeah, I did right away. BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #56
Tweeter SpicyFiles pointed out that the Mueller attorney who signed off on this the best of the best Leghorn21 Apr 2018 #37
according to this: Takket Apr 2018 #41
From another thread, the person who allowed the search was the primary on the lease csziggy Apr 2018 #49
Great! then Manafort has 0 leg to stand on. Takket Apr 2018 #55
"PJM" BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #42
Or Paul John Manafort. Occam's razor and all. n/t eggplant Apr 2018 #44
Yes BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #46
Such a pleasant start to my day Hekate Apr 2018 #43
Manafort is the gift that keeps on giving. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #45
The plot keeps thickening... ailsagirl Apr 2018 #47
Like STDs, he's the gift that keeps giving! JNelson6563 Apr 2018 #52
That's better than binders full of women! RainCaster Apr 2018 #53
"Storage Wars are easy to win!" nt torius Apr 2018 #59
HA!! Leghorn21 Apr 2018 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author radical noodle Apr 2018 #61

emulatorloo

(44,257 posts)
1. Kick and Rec. Manafort and his lawyers are not as clever as they seem to think they are
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 09:17 AM
Apr 2018

This crook needs to be nailed to the wall.

FakeNoose

(32,843 posts)
11. If the friend says "sure, anything to help the FBI"
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 10:15 AM
Apr 2018

... he probably has no clue what's in those cartons.



Historic NY

(37,457 posts)
31. Which why they stopped and went to get a warrant....
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 12:57 PM
Apr 2018

for their just desserts. I read elsewhere the agents hung around for a couple days before they actually executed the warrant, to see if anyone would show up for the stuff.

TexasTowelie

(112,579 posts)
64. Or the FBI told him that if he didn't cooperate,
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:25 AM
Apr 2018

then he could be charged with obstruction of justice and a decent size list of other charges. He saw the $ signs dangling if he needed to hire defense attorneys and gave up the goods on Manafort.

Leghorn21

(13,527 posts)
2. Mmmmm, *storage locker*....I just about started drooling when I first saw a reference to it!!!
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 09:28 AM
Apr 2018
s t o r a g e

l o c k e r

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
63. There's a reason.....
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 01:45 AM
Apr 2018

those boxes are in an off-site storage locker owned by someone else.

Manafort didn't want to store them at his residence for a reason. I wonder what that reason could possibly be?

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
3. The leaking is something else . . .
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 09:29 AM
Apr 2018

Nevertheless, this has to be extremely damaging to Manafort. The more information exposed the more jail time. Maybe Manafort should start thinking of his loyalty to shithole because from past loyalties, t-rump has none except maybe for his dream girl, oops, I mean his daughter, Ivanka.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
48. I don't think it is loyalty to Trump
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 05:49 PM
Apr 2018

or at least, that's not all. I think there are some terribly incriminating things in there that have little or nothing to do with Trump, that could put "Paulie" (I love that) in prison for a long time. It might explain why he's refusing any kind of deal/cooperation. The Ukranians don't play. Neither does Putin.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
34. I think you're misunderstanding the timeline ... or I am ...
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 01:14 PM
Apr 2018

I got the impression they've had these boxes for quite a while, well before Gates is known to have turned. Thought it was around the time of the raid on Manafort's place, but maybe I misunderstood.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
57. I read that some new raids were done this week.
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 08:55 PM
Apr 2018

At several locations, including one again at Manafort's home. I could be wrong, but that is what I understood.

magicarpet

(14,200 posts)
8. Rethug viewpoint....
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 09:35 AM
Apr 2018

If you have done nothing wrong....
You have nothing to worry about....
Just let justice take it's course.

___________

Paulie has been Mr. Fix it for dictators and nasty thugs for so long - now the shit hitting the fan is about to splat of over him. His day in the barrel has come now that Mueller has him in his sights. Paulie's secret past is about to come back and haunt him.

mercuryblues

(14,552 posts)
50. yes.
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 06:02 PM
Apr 2018

I followed the links in the kos story. Nasso was Steven Seagal's producer. Apparently Seagal wasn't living up to the contract. So Nasso and his brother took him on a ride to meet a coubpe of Gambino's associates. Where they threatened Seagal, who ended up paying them $700,000.

https://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/13/nyregion/a-mafia-case-and-a-scene-straight-out-of-hollywood.html

Look who is Seagal's new best friend, with a Russian passport


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Izzy Blue

(282 posts)
60. Nasso-Manafort-Trump
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:38 AM
Apr 2018

"2001: Paul Cohen and Julius Nasso launch Manhattan Pictures International, a New York-based motion picture distribution and production company. Manafort is part of the team behind the new company. Nasso is arrested in 2002 by federal agents, and pleads guilty in 2003 for using Gambino family mob enforcers to extort money from the actor Steven Seagal. He spends more than a year in prison.

Nasso was friendly with Trump. In a story in the New York Post from December 1999, Nasso says he asked Trump’s opinion of Abe Hirschfeld before deciding to do business with him on the film The Prince of Central Park.

“I checked him out with Donald Trump. Donald said he was a nice guy,” Nasso told the paper.

Julius Nasso has an uncle who is also named Julius Nasso. The elder Nasso owned the Julius Nasso Concrete Company, which, in 1975, entered into a joint venture with the S&A Concrete Company, owned by Anthony “Fat Tony” Salerno, boss of the Genovese crime family, and Paul Castellano, boss of the Gambino family. Cohn was Salerno’s lawyer. At the time, most of Manhattan’s major development projects had mob involvement, Trump’s included. S&A Concrete “supplied building material to the Trump Plaza on Manhattan’s East Side.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/10/a_timeline_of_paul_manafort_s_relationship_

Botany

(70,627 posts)
10. Manafort's appeal to the court
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 10:01 AM
Apr 2018

Please don't use the evidence that you got by investigating me
against me. He is fucked. Hey Pauli Walnuts, turn state's evidence
or spend the rest of your life in prison. And don't think a Trump
pardon will get you off because Mueller has a deal w/NY's AG to
go after you on state charges if that happens.

ancianita

(36,190 posts)
14. Defense argument is that the agent had no probable cause for entering the storage unit,
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:01 AM
Apr 2018

but once he did, and read the labels on the boxes, then he went for a search warrant of the unit and boxes.

It was an arguable point, but the court ruled on the basis of the defendant's past obstructions of disclosure.

And the fact that anything obtained in the 6 a.m. raid could be legally pursued.

Botany

(70,627 posts)
16. So if during the first raid of Manafort's home which was done with a legal search warrant ....
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:19 AM
Apr 2018

.... and new evidence & leads were produced which brought about the raid and additional
search warrant(s) of Manafort's associate's storage unit then what case can Pauli's lawyer
bring to a court?

Botany

(70,627 posts)
24. I am not a lawyer but it seems to me that warrant #1 led to warrant #2 @ the storage locker and ...
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 12:19 PM
Apr 2018

.... in both cases a legal search warrant was in effect.

ancianita

(36,190 posts)
26. I'm not, either, and that's why the court is instructive. But I get how, in the eyes of lawyers,
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 12:44 PM
Apr 2018

time and place or other relationships might alter the scope of a warrant.

I see that the court is settling the legal question raised by the FBI's enforcement paradigm that says FBI investigations must be free to flow in whatever directions the original impetus leads, along with original warrants.

And that paradigm might be materially different from the scope of enforcement by any other, less global, investigative agencies.

This sets a solid precedent for other cases that involve distant -- even across border - evidence gathering.

getagrip_already

(14,923 posts)
12. he is claiming....
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 10:53 AM
Apr 2018

that the "friend" is an employee who didn't have the authority to grant the fbi access in the first place. That's a dubious claim. Even another resident in your home can give a leo permission to search the home if you aren't present; even if you explicitly told that person no searches were allowed.

They are claiming the search warrant eventually obtained wasn't valid because it was based on information they got from the improper access the employee gave them.

I don't think the judge will care. As long as the employee and the fbi were acting in good faith, they will let the warrant stand. About the only way they would object is if the fbi grossly lied - like saying there was potentially a child at risk and they didn't have time to get a warrant. that wasn't the case.

This is the spaghetti against the wall legal strategy. But it is expensive. If all his bank accounts were frozen, where is the money for lawyers coming from?

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
20. Very good points. I thought only his foreign accounts were
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:49 AM
Apr 2018

Frozen

But he still had a can flow problem

Lien against future publication revenue?

erronis

(15,403 posts)
39. "If all his bank accounts were frozen, where is the money for lawyers coming from?"
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 02:02 PM
Apr 2018

Same place that's been keeping dumpster garbage barge afloat. Moneybags in the US and some overseas.

I've long wondered how much money can be transferred off-books before it becomes obvious to those looking for the flow. And wondering when the puppet-masters decide that they've done enough, exposed themselves enough. Maybe they keep going until dump can sink the ship of state.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
15. Place your bets, ladies and gents.....Will Trump & Co go to the slam for dealing with Russia and....
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:04 AM
Apr 2018

.......fucking with the election, or for economic crimes? This is beginning to read like an episode of the Sopranos, or the old Untouchables program, with Trump as Al Capone.

Grammy23

(5,815 posts)
22. Methinks that when ALL of the details come out about these thugs and thieves
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 12:05 PM
Apr 2018

it will be the story for the ages. Can anyone imagine the books, documentaries and movies that will come out of this convoluted tale? All doubts about the dirty deeds that were committed by tRump and a whole host of other players will be erased once the details (with the supporting evidence) is released. I am looking forward to Mueller’s report and eventually trials for the people swept up in his investigation. It will make OJ’s trial coverage look like the old Saturday Morning cartoons.

PatrickforO

(14,602 posts)
23. Now I know I'm preaching to the choir here when I say I believe this treason
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 12:10 PM
Apr 2018

will lead us directly to the leadership of this administration, Donald Trump, and a whole bunch of Republican leaders in the US House and Senate, including Paul 'Punk' Ryan and Mitch 'Turtle' McConnell. The evil men would sell us out just for personal power.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind they are traitors.

HOWEVER - did you guys see Geraldo Rivera on Bill Maher last night? You remember when Maher was asking Rivera about collusion - not treason but collusion - and Rivera, who works at Fox, asked him, "Can you name one instance of collusion, just one instance?"

Maher was speechless a moment and then recalled the meeting with the Russians at the White House that excluded the American press. I don't think he was expecting that question...nor was I.

My point? We have Fox News watchers, millions of them, including rank and file in white male dominated unions, who are operating on a totally different set of 'facts.' Like Obama said when Letterman interviewed him in January this year, we have a whole group of people in this nation that are not operating from the same set of facts.

When we sweep Congress in November and get majorities in both Houses, how about we REINSTATE THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE? HOW ABOUT THAT BECOME PART OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY PLATFORM?

machoneman

(4,016 posts)
30. Wow! Talk about a major development.
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 12:52 PM
Apr 2018

Best? The volume of this new information will likely push back Mueller's report into later in the year, hopefully about 60 days before the November elections!

Yippee!

lindysalsagal

(20,782 posts)
32. Paper records? Seems to me, a crook wouldn't keep paper records, unless, it was insurance of some ki
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 01:10 PM
Apr 2018

kind. Manafort kept the records of the state leaders he's helped so they will pardon him? So they'll pay him?

I'm thinking that if Manafort kept evidence of his own wrong-doing, that paperwork must serve his personal interest in some way.

Such a shame that 45 has totally effed the fbi for a year+.....They're probably a little sore about it.......

BigmanPigman

(51,648 posts)
56. Yeah, I did right away.
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 07:49 PM
Apr 2018

I checked out how he formed the "M" to compare. I used to teach first grade and had to spend 99% of my time trying to decipher what they were trying to write. I always told fellow teachers that the FBI could use my skills to compare writing samples, etc.

Leghorn21

(13,527 posts)
37. Tweeter SpicyFiles pointed out that the Mueller attorney who signed off on this the best of the best
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 01:50 PM
Apr 2018

?s=20

—-Oh hot damn—-

Takket

(21,661 posts)
41. according to this:
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 02:16 PM
Apr 2018
https://www.rentprep.com/legal/can-landlords-give-consent-police-search/

The owner of a rental unit CANNOT allow police to search it. only the tenant can. i would assume the same applies to rental storage units.

So if they searched the unit with only the owner's permission, they might have a problem..........

although i can't believe the people on mueller's team would by that careless when all they would have to do is park outside for an hour or two and wait for the warrant to be issued.

csziggy

(34,139 posts)
49. From another thread, the person who allowed the search was the primary on the lease
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 05:51 PM
Apr 2018

Manafort was listed as the additional person authorized to enter the unit. It was not the owner of the rental unit who allowed the original entry, it was the "low level former employee" whose name was on the lease who opened the unit for the FBI and let them look inside.

Based on that look, Mueller's people got a warrant to search the unit and then seized the boxes of material inside.

ETA:

The FBI first got into the Alexandria, Va. storage unit last May with the assistance of an employee who worked at two or more of Manafort's companies, an agent told the federal magistrate judge who issued the warrant. Then, the agent used what he saw written on so-called Banker's Boxes and the fact there was a five-drawer filing cabinet to get permission to return and seize many of the records.
https://www-politico-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/04/07/manafort-moves-to-suppress-evidence-found-in-storage-unit-507984


Manafort's lawyers argue that by the time the FBI returned to get the documents, the search was already "fundamentally flawed" because the former employee of Davis Manafort Partners was not authorized to consent to a search of the unit.

Manafort's lawyers acknowledge that the "former low-level employee" was "named as an occupant on the lease agreement" — in fact, he is the only occupant named on the lease. They go on to argue, however, that he was so named "simply for administrative convenience and only because he happened to be the DMP employee tasked with setting up the storage lease on DMP’s behalf and moving DMP’s business records into the unit."

The lawyers claim that their argument is "bolstered" by the fact that "Mr. Manafort appears on the agreement as the only person with authorized access to the storage unit," though that appears to be a misreading of the agreement. The lease has a line for listing the "Occupant's Authorized Access Persons" — meaning people authorized by the occupant to access the unit. By the terms of the lease, the occupant was the "former low-level employee"; Manafort's was the only name listed as an authorized access person by the occupant.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/paul-manafort-says-the-fbi-illegally-searched-a-storage?utm_term=.wdk6v2dE6#.vwJjBlRAj



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