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JUST IN: Paul Manafort asks judge to suppress evidence from over 20 boxes of files from a storage locker in Va. Motion contains some juicy lists of what the boxes contain. 2 lists below. Full motion, courtesy ofPaul Manafort is still writhing on the hook as his September trial approaches, filing various motions to fend off Mueller about this or that. In THE RAID last year (remember that one Paulie? The no-knock warrant? Where you woke up at 6am with the FBI handing you your robe and slippers, telling you keep that toothbrush in plain sight...sir?), the one that seized all sorts of electronic devices, ledgers, bank accounts numbers (and now we know, froze their cash) now comes another piece.
Apparently Manafort has a pal who owns a storage locker. In the same RAID the FBI also seized 20 boxes of Manaforts STUFF from that storage locker. We know this because Manafort just filed a motion to suppress the evidence from those 20 boxes (and Mueller will of course counter-file.) When you do that, you have to be specific, so Manafort had to NAME the 20 boxes in question.
So he said (according to a CNBC reporters twitter HERE) theres this one labeled X, and and that one labelled Y, etc. Box 12 read Ukraine Binders (!!) and listed things like Georgia (likely the country, not the state) ballot security, Ukraine campaign(!) and stuff like that. (No word if this was also labeled Pre-Season Warm-Up for Hillary)
Yes, Mr. Mueller is going to be DAMN interested in keeping that stuff in evidence.
Also, another box label mentions Jules Nasso. Who?
Apparently back in 04 Mr. Nasso pleaded guilty to threatening the actor Steven Seagal on behalf of the Gambino Crime family. (Mr. Seagal? I have a message from my boss .). And Mr. Jules Nasso is connected to Paul Manafort?
Way to pick your friends there, Paulie! Part 1.
Oh and BTW, part of Manaforts defense and motion to suppress is that Muellers warrant didnt extend to the Storage Locker. Which is actually 100% true.
On the other hand, apparently Muellers team went to the ACTUAL OWNER of the storage locker and asked permission to search it...and the guy said something like, Sure. Anything to help the FBI. You dont need a warrant if the owner says Yes.
Way to pick your friends there, Paulie! Part 2.
Hope this helps that second cup of coffee on Saturday taste even better.
Shalom.
MORE:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/4/7/1754954/-Mueller-is-Closing-in-the-Left-is-Energized-and-Trump-is-Unraveling-Saturday-s-Good-News#comment_69800160
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4433460-Suppress.html
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emulatorloo
(44,257 posts)This crook needs to be nailed to the wall.
FakeNoose
(32,843 posts)... he probably has no clue what's in those cartons.
Historic NY
(37,457 posts)for their just desserts. I read elsewhere the agents hung around for a couple days before they actually executed the warrant, to see if anyone would show up for the stuff.
TexasTowelie
(112,579 posts)then he could be charged with obstruction of justice and a decent size list of other charges. He saw the $ signs dangling if he needed to hire defense attorneys and gave up the goods on Manafort.
Leghorn21
(13,527 posts)l o c k e r
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)those boxes are in an off-site storage locker owned by someone else.
Manafort didn't want to store them at his residence for a reason. I wonder what that reason could possibly be?
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Nevertheless, this has to be extremely damaging to Manafort. The more information exposed the more jail time. Maybe Manafort should start thinking of his loyalty to shithole because from past loyalties, t-rump has none except maybe for his dream girl, oops, I mean his daughter, Ivanka.
triron
(22,028 posts)erronis
(15,403 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)or at least, that's not all. I think there are some terribly incriminating things in there that have little or nothing to do with Trump, that could put "Paulie" (I love that) in prison for a long time. It might explain why he's refusing any kind of deal/cooperation. The Ukranians don't play. Neither does Putin.
dem4decades
(11,315 posts)In jail.
WhiteTara
(29,729 posts)He has been wanting out of that apartment!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)roscoeroscoe
(1,370 posts)Thanks!
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)No way the FBI get to that information without Gates.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I got the impression they've had these boxes for quite a while, well before Gates is known to have turned. Thought it was around the time of the raid on Manafort's place, but maybe I misunderstood.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)At several locations, including one again at Manafort's home. I could be wrong, but that is what I understood.
magicarpet
(14,200 posts)If you have done nothing wrong....
You have nothing to worry about....
Just let justice take it's course.
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Paulie has been Mr. Fix it for dictators and nasty thugs for so long - now the shit hitting the fan is about to splat of over him. His day in the barrel has come now that Mueller has him in his sights. Paulie's secret past is about to come back and haunt him.
C_U_L8R
(45,029 posts)Apparently there's a Julius Nasso who is a Gambino mob associate. How curious.
I followed the links in the kos story. Nasso was Steven Seagal's producer. Apparently Seagal wasn't living up to the contract. So Nasso and his brother took him on a ride to meet a coubpe of Gambino's associates. Where they threatened Seagal, who ended up paying them $700,000.
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/13/nyregion/a-mafia-case-and-a-scene-straight-out-of-hollywood.html
Look who is Seagal's new best friend, with a Russian passport
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Izzy Blue
(282 posts)"2001: Paul Cohen and Julius Nasso launch Manhattan Pictures International, a New York-based motion picture distribution and production company. Manafort is part of the team behind the new company. Nasso is arrested in 2002 by federal agents, and pleads guilty in 2003 for using Gambino family mob enforcers to extort money from the actor Steven Seagal. He spends more than a year in prison.
Nasso was friendly with Trump. In a story in the New York Post from December 1999, Nasso says he asked Trumps opinion of Abe Hirschfeld before deciding to do business with him on the film The Prince of Central Park.
I checked him out with Donald Trump. Donald said he was a nice guy, Nasso told the paper.
Julius Nasso has an uncle who is also named Julius Nasso. The elder Nasso owned the Julius Nasso Concrete Company, which, in 1975, entered into a joint venture with the S&A Concrete Company, owned by Anthony Fat Tony Salerno, boss of the Genovese crime family, and Paul Castellano, boss of the Gambino family. Cohn was Salernos lawyer. At the time, most of Manhattans major development projects had mob involvement, Trumps included. S&A Concrete supplied building material to the Trump Plaza on Manhattans East Side.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/10/a_timeline_of_paul_manafort_s_relationship_
Botany
(70,627 posts)Please don't use the evidence that you got by investigating me
against me. He is fucked. Hey Pauli Walnuts, turn state's evidence
or spend the rest of your life in prison. And don't think a Trump
pardon will get you off because Mueller has a deal w/NY's AG to
go after you on state charges if that happens.
MaryMagdaline
(6,858 posts)They're still interested in Russian-funded campaigns back there
ancianita
(36,190 posts)but once he did, and read the labels on the boxes, then he went for a search warrant of the unit and boxes.
It was an arguable point, but the court ruled on the basis of the defendant's past obstructions of disclosure.
And the fact that anything obtained in the 6 a.m. raid could be legally pursued.
Botany
(70,627 posts).... and new evidence & leads were produced which brought about the raid and additional
search warrant(s) of Manafort's associate's storage unit then what case can Pauli's lawyer
bring to a court?
ancianita
(36,190 posts)Botany
(70,627 posts).... in both cases a legal search warrant was in effect.
ancianita
(36,190 posts)time and place or other relationships might alter the scope of a warrant.
I see that the court is settling the legal question raised by the FBI's enforcement paradigm that says FBI investigations must be free to flow in whatever directions the original impetus leads, along with original warrants.
And that paradigm might be materially different from the scope of enforcement by any other, less global, investigative agencies.
This sets a solid precedent for other cases that involve distant -- even across border - evidence gathering.
WhiteTara
(29,729 posts)as the storage unit's owner gave permission.
getagrip_already
(14,923 posts)that the "friend" is an employee who didn't have the authority to grant the fbi access in the first place. That's a dubious claim. Even another resident in your home can give a leo permission to search the home if you aren't present; even if you explicitly told that person no searches were allowed.
They are claiming the search warrant eventually obtained wasn't valid because it was based on information they got from the improper access the employee gave them.
I don't think the judge will care. As long as the employee and the fbi were acting in good faith, they will let the warrant stand. About the only way they would object is if the fbi grossly lied - like saying there was potentially a child at risk and they didn't have time to get a warrant. that wasn't the case.
This is the spaghetti against the wall legal strategy. But it is expensive. If all his bank accounts were frozen, where is the money for lawyers coming from?
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Frozen
But he still had a can flow problem
Lien against future publication revenue?
erronis
(15,403 posts)Same place that's been keeping dumpster garbage barge afloat. Moneybags in the US and some overseas.
I've long wondered how much money can be transferred off-books before it becomes obvious to those looking for the flow. And wondering when the puppet-masters decide that they've done enough, exposed themselves enough. Maybe they keep going until dump can sink the ship of state.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts).......fucking with the election, or for economic crimes? This is beginning to read like an episode of the Sopranos, or the old Untouchables program, with Trump as Al Capone.
Nitram
(22,936 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,239 posts)Nitram
(22,936 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Grammy23
(5,815 posts)it will be the story for the ages. Can anyone imagine the books, documentaries and movies that will come out of this convoluted tale? All doubts about the dirty deeds that were committed by tRump and a whole host of other players will be erased once the details (with the supporting evidence) is released. I am looking forward to Muellers report and eventually trials for the people swept up in his investigation. It will make OJs trial coverage look like the old Saturday Morning cartoons.
PatrickforO
(14,602 posts)will lead us directly to the leadership of this administration, Donald Trump, and a whole bunch of Republican leaders in the US House and Senate, including Paul 'Punk' Ryan and Mitch 'Turtle' McConnell. The evil men would sell us out just for personal power.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind they are traitors.
HOWEVER - did you guys see Geraldo Rivera on Bill Maher last night? You remember when Maher was asking Rivera about collusion - not treason but collusion - and Rivera, who works at Fox, asked him, "Can you name one instance of collusion, just one instance?"
Maher was speechless a moment and then recalled the meeting with the Russians at the White House that excluded the American press. I don't think he was expecting that question...nor was I.
My point? We have Fox News watchers, millions of them, including rank and file in white male dominated unions, who are operating on a totally different set of 'facts.' Like Obama said when Letterman interviewed him in January this year, we have a whole group of people in this nation that are not operating from the same set of facts.
When we sweep Congress in November and get majorities in both Houses, how about we REINSTATE THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE? HOW ABOUT THAT BECOME PART OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY PLATFORM?
vlyons
(10,252 posts)erronis
(15,403 posts)machoneman
(4,016 posts)Best? The volume of this new information will likely push back Mueller's report into later in the year, hopefully about 60 days before the November elections!
Yippee!
lindysalsagal
(20,782 posts)kind. Manafort kept the records of the state leaders he's helped so they will pardon him? So they'll pay him?
I'm thinking that if Manafort kept evidence of his own wrong-doing, that paperwork must serve his personal interest in some way.
Such a shame that 45 has totally effed the fbi for a year+.....They're probably a little sore about it.......
Amaryllis
(9,526 posts)Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)Because that sounds about right
TwistOneUp
(1,020 posts)The letter "n" is backwards.
Just like cyrillic script.
Go figure.
BigmanPigman
(51,648 posts)I checked out how he formed the "M" to compare. I used to teach first grade and had to spend 99% of my time trying to decipher what they were trying to write. I always told fellow teachers that the FBI could use my skills to compare writing samples, etc.
Leghorn21
(13,527 posts)Takket
(21,661 posts)The owner of a rental unit CANNOT allow police to search it. only the tenant can. i would assume the same applies to rental storage units.
So if they searched the unit with only the owner's permission, they might have a problem..........
although i can't believe the people on mueller's team would by that careless when all they would have to do is park outside for an hour or two and wait for the warrant to be issued.
csziggy
(34,139 posts)Manafort was listed as the additional person authorized to enter the unit. It was not the owner of the rental unit who allowed the original entry, it was the "low level former employee" whose name was on the lease who opened the unit for the FBI and let them look inside.
Based on that look, Mueller's people got a warrant to search the unit and then seized the boxes of material inside.
ETA:
https://www-politico-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/04/07/manafort-moves-to-suppress-evidence-found-in-storage-unit-507984
Manafort's lawyers acknowledge that the "former low-level employee" was "named as an occupant on the lease agreement" in fact, he is the only occupant named on the lease. They go on to argue, however, that he was so named "simply for administrative convenience and only because he happened to be the DMP employee tasked with setting up the storage lease on DMPs behalf and moving DMPs business records into the unit."
The lawyers claim that their argument is "bolstered" by the fact that "Mr. Manafort appears on the agreement as the only person with authorized access to the storage unit," though that appears to be a misreading of the agreement. The lease has a line for listing the "Occupant's Authorized Access Persons" meaning people authorized by the occupant to access the unit. By the terms of the lease, the occupant was the "former low-level employee"; Manafort's was the only name listed as an authorized access person by the occupant.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/paul-manafort-says-the-fbi-illegally-searched-a-storage?utm_term=.wdk6v2dE6#.vwJjBlRAj
From: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142032223
Takket
(21,661 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,806 posts)could theoretically be the huge electric grid (Pennsylvania-New Jersey-Maryland) that includes D.C.
http://www.pjm.com/
eggplant
(3,915 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,806 posts)I forgot that these categories were labeled as such by the investigators.
Hekate
(90,939 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,572 posts)We probably don't know more than the tip of the iceberg.
ailsagirl
(22,901 posts)JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)RainCaster
(10,939 posts)Get 'im Mueller!
torius
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