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betsuni

(25,745 posts)
1. What does that even mean, "Gun control is racist"?
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 04:57 AM
Apr 2018

When I saw that my brains refused to deal with it.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
9. Many laws on guns were passed in response to racism / xenophobia. (esp in the South)
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 10:04 AM
Apr 2018

Permits to purchase a handgun in Southern states? White racists didn't want POC having the means to defend themselves.

Open carry in California? Reagan signed a bill clobbering that once the Black Panthers demonstrated while armed on the Capitol steps.

Even New York's Sullivan Act was more about immigrant gangs (who often looked different or spoke differently) than anything else.

FakeNoose

(32,849 posts)
11. So true - I came on to say the same
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 10:37 AM
Apr 2018

The gun humpers in this country are voting as a bloc for one reason - to keep weapons in the hands of whites and out of the hands of POC and immigrants. They may not say it outright but they have plenty of codewords and catch phrases. Most of them have been brainwashed since birth, so we cannot have any intelligent discourse with them. We just have to out-vote them, and smash the NRA.

I believe it will come to that eventually, but probably not in my lifetime.

betsuni

(25,745 posts)
13. It doesn't seem like that's what the guy in the photo is protesting about.
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 11:07 AM
Apr 2018

Maybe I'm wrong, but why would the little kid be giving him that look otherwise?

dawg

(10,625 posts)
16. He thinks gun control is racist because ...
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 11:40 AM
Apr 2018

it makes it harder for good, law-abiding white people to defend themselves from the big, scary, murderous "dark" horde.

That's how they think.

syringis

(5,101 posts)
2. Shall I apply to be English literature lecturer in an alt-right university ?
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 05:14 AM
Apr 2018

Last edited Sun Apr 1, 2018, 07:08 AM - Edit history (1)

After all, my English skills seem not to be too bad, considering the sign above...

kwijybo

(240 posts)
3. That's how it started
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 07:46 AM
Apr 2018

It's a right wing meme, that gun control is racist, because a lot of the laws originated due to the arming of non-whites. Of course, it was the right wing doing it at the time, but they never mention that.
Example:
Major gun control laws were written in CA after Reagan and the right wing got scared of the Black Panthers having guns.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. Whites got scared of AA folks and hastily wrote the second amendment...a law long ago
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 08:33 AM
Apr 2018

useless and needing a trashing.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
8. it's all part of the cosplay with these guys...
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 09:54 AM
Apr 2018

seriously. It's pretty obvious the mentality:
Stuck in per-pubescent fantasizing of what masculinity is, playing "superhero" with adult toys.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
10. Through this nations history most gun control laws were racist
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 10:28 AM
Apr 2018

The first gun control laws dealt with freed blacks not being allowed arms. During the reconstruction and Jim Crow era laws passed that didn’t signal race outright but had the same effect, they engineered the laws to only impact blacks and then enforced them only on blacks.

For example laws in some states that forbid carrying of any model pistol other than the most expensive ones were used to keep poor people- AKA newly freed blacks- from being able to to afford the only legal guns.

In NC they passed a law, still on the books today, requiring a permit from the sheriff to buy any handgun in 1918. It gave wide discretion to the Sheriff as to how they determined who was worthy, so minorities could be denied for everything from not passing a literacy test to not having good enough references. Growing up in the 80’s my dad had to go and get two white men to write him letters of reference to be able to get a permit to buy a handgun- as an immigrant who served his nation and gained his citizenship he still literally had to go out and get two white men to vouch for him before he could exercise his right.

Others have pointed out laws passed in California as a result of tension about blacks being armed during the civil rights movement.

Even the Gun Control Act of 1968, always heralded out as a great success and leap in the right direction by gun control advocates, was mostly a law aimed at making it harder for non-whites to buy guns in the aftermath of the race rights and racial tensions of the 1960’s. The excuse given was it was in response to the shootings of MLK and JFK, but the truth is nothing in it would have prevented that in any way, but virtually every aspect of it did impact the ability of minorities to own guns.

Among the things the GCA of 68 did- banned imports of cheap handguns, aka “Saturday Night Specials”, based on the notion that they were a preferred gun of minority criminals and using the tactic of pricing them out of the market. Even the term “Saturday Night Special” is racist in its origins. It was the first time a national law went into effect barring felons from owning guns, and that disproportionately affected minorities who were far more likely to have criminal records. It created the FFL system and mandated all guns be sold in licensed shops, no more mail order or small Mom and Pop shops having one or two- because they knew nobody was going to set up a licensed shop in minority neighborhoods in big cities and that down south shops were still segregated enough that they would deny sales to blacks. It prohibited buying guns across state lines unless from an FFL so that minorities subject to worse laws on the state level, like NC’s pistol purchase permit law, couldn’t get relief by shopping in another state.

Literally almost every provision in that law was made to very disproportionately impact minorities and prevent them from exercising their rights, while being much less of a barrier to whites.

And that is how most gun control laws have been through this nations history.

Igel

(35,383 posts)
17. Don't see how.
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 11:59 AM
Apr 2018
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/

On the other hand, all kinds of people argue that something current is racist because at one point it or something like it was done for racist reasons. Sort of the etymological fallacy brought to policies and regulations. I think it works for neither case, but if it works for one example may as well apply the fallacy across the board to all such examples and at least avoid bias, blindness, and hypocrisy.
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