"Ken Starr was overzealous...Mueller is the 21st century version of Eliot Ness."

[Miles Archer]

Donald Trump’s best hope of avoiding political ruination—and maybe spending the rest of his life in prison—is to discredit the probe being conducted by Robert Mueller.

As the November midterm elections draw closer, some expect that he will implement a plan to do just that.

****

Another DC lawyer that the site talked to, Lanny Davis, who served on Bill Clinton’s legal team, predicted that intensifying his attacks on Mueller will backfire.

“We attacked Ken Starr because he was an overzealous prosecutor,” he said. “Mueller is the 21st century version of Eliot Ness… Attacking him is a boomerang. Even the most partisan among us would not have been stupid enough to attack Bob Mueller, who is beyond reproach.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/03/trumps-hope-discredit-mueller-heres-may-planned/

[Cha]

1. We got Elliot Ness/Mueller..

they had Ken Starr who projected on Bob Mueller about "overstepping".

[spooky3]

2. They had Elmer Fudd; we have Bugs Bunny.

I like our chances!

Cha!

[Cha]

3. Bugs Bunny!

there's something I haven't written.. ever.

Happy Easter, spooky

[spooky3]

6. Same to you, Cha!

[Aristus]

18. Yes! And this is why:

[spooky3]

27. :-)

[RDANGELO]

4. A recent poll showed that 70% of the people beleive that Muller should be allowed to complete the

investigation without any obstacles. Getting rid of Mueller may keep Trump out of jail, but it would be a disaster for the Republican Party which is why Ryan and McConnell have been saying publicly that he should be left alone.

[former9thward]

5. I doubt Mueller would want to be compared to Eloit Ness.

Ness died a broke, alcoholic at age 54.

What ever happens with the current investigation Mueller will also be remembered as the man who falsely hounded Steven Hatfill for years as the anthrax killer after 9/11. Hatfill sued the FBI over the false accusations and won $5.8 million from the federal government.

[JI7]

8. Mueller is in his 70s and not an alcoholic so i'm sure he isn't worried about that

but nobody really thought the comparison had to do with that anyways.

[Wednesdays]

13. Saying that Mueller is like Ness would turn Mueller into a broke alcoholic?

I'm confused.

[former9thward]

14. Why would Mueller want to be compared to someone who became a broke alcoholic?

[JI7]

16. Because the comparison is to their job not every detail of their lives

[JI7]

7. Ken Starr went searching into consensual BJ because he couldn't find anything anywhere else

and even that didn't ivolve anything like a payoff as with trump and the porn stars.

[Major Nikon]

11. Which is exactly why he couldn't charge either of the Clintons with so much as a parking ticket

Meanwhile he spent around a hundred million tax dollars and all he got was what amounted to tabloid trash. After that colossal fuckup his next biggest claim to fame was getting run out of a college presiduncy for gross incompetence.

[former9thward]

15. Clinton paid $850,000 to Paula Jones in a settlement.

[JI7]

19. After the case was first thrown out since republicans were using it to push bs scandals

[AdamGG]

9. If Mueller could just use the Ken Starr standard for Trump's testimony

With a tight focus on his face, broadcast on national television. Trump would perjure himself with every other sentence and about more substantial things than whether he had sex with somebody. It would be game over.

[PJMcK]

30. Must-see TV

A televised deposition of Trump would be the highest-rated broadcast in TV history.

It would provide evidence that could convict Trump of numerous crimes.

It would be a beautiful thing to behold.

It will not happen, however.

[Liberty Belle]

10. Our Republican Sheriff told me Mueller's a good guy

who he used to know at the FBI, and he thinks Mueller should be left alone to do his job.

[Jarqui]

12. Worst thing Starr got Bill Clinton on was lying about Monica Lewinsky

Looks like Stormy is going to nail Trump for that with an assist to McDougal

But this other stuff Mueller is looking into is much worse than lying about a fling: obstruction, collusion, treason, bribery and money laundering to name a few. The evidence seems to be mounting with his staff cutting guilty plea deals to chirp. When a special counsel is piling up guilty pleas to criminal acts, it is pretty tough to convince people to get him to stop what he is doing or that this is a media witch hunt. Folks don't plead guilty for no good reason. Actions speak louder than words to confirm Mueller must be on the right track.

[former9thward]

17. The difference is lying under oath.

Clinton lied under oath. Trump has made no comments on Daniels, oath or otherwise.

[Jarqui]

20. Looks trivial in comparison to the charges Trump looks like he'll face

[former9thward]

21. I don't know.

Unlike many who post on the internet I am not part of Mueller's team...

[blake2012]

24. Bahahaha. Trump is going down hard

Not just because of all of his crimes currently being investigated but because he is a nasty and unlikeable person.

[Jarqui]

25. I do not think you have to be part of Mueller's team to have an opinion on what it "looks" like

This is a forum intended in part for discussion of such opinions.

Bill Clinton was never convicted of a crime. He was fined for contempt in a civil court and got his ability to practice law suspended for five years.

Like Clinton, they're looking into deception when it comes to Trump's disclosures when he took office. But all these other things they are looking into on Trump are criminal: obstruction, bribery, treason, collusion, money laundering, and they're probably looking into tax evasion while they are at it.

A number of those who were around Trump have already plead guilty.
A number of others who were around Trump are facing criminal charges.
The investigation continues which means they haven't finished. Therefore, there is likely more to come with something that has already delivered criminal convictions.
They're trying to line up speaking with Trump himself so he is still very much a person of interest with many Republicans hoping Trump does not speak with Mueller because he could incriminate himself - which "looks" bad
There have been several reports about Trump wanting to fire Mueller which looks bad
The circumstantial evidence around the Russian collusion concern is massive. Most have concluded the Russians interfered in the election. They have established many people in Trump's circle associating with Russians leading up to Nov 2016. There are only a few more dots of evidence to join to match the allegations.
The Steele dossier remains as not yet fully proven but parts of it have been established and nothing in it of significance has been disproved.
Lots more could be said on the other evidence that has been published
Trump's lawyers are jumping ship while many other good lawyers turn him down which is an eyebrow raising cause for concern.
His White House cabinet/staff high turnover is also not a good sign as a number of departures have cut a deal with Mueller.

At the beginning of the year, oddsmakers thought it was nearly twice as likely that Trump will be impeached as it would be that he will serve four years in office. It "looks" bad to them as well.

[former9thward]

26. A whole bunch of things you have posted are inaccurate.

You say: "A number of those who were around Trump have already plead guilty." Well if by a "number" you mean 2. And they plead guilty to process crimes not crimes relating to the substance of the investigation. They plead guilty to lying to investigators. The 3 others who plead guilty were minor people not "around" Trump and they plead either to lying or identity theft.

You say: "His White House cabinet/staff high turnover is also not a good sign as a number of departures have cut a deal with Mueller. " No evidence of that.

You say: "A number of others who were around Trump are facing criminal charges." Well again 2 and those charges relate to matters back to 2006 and have nothing to do with the original Russia investigation.

You say: "Lots more could be said on the other evidence that has been published " Well except no evidence has been published but that has not stopped anyone from speculating on total rumor.

You say: "I do not think you have to be part of Mueller's team to have an opinion on what it "looks" like". See, we agree on something!

[Jarqui]

28. In response:

You said:

A whole bunch of things you have posted are inaccurate.

You say: "A number of those who were around Trump have already plead guilty." Well if by a "number" you mean 2. And they plead guilty to process crimes not crimes relating to the substance of the investigation. They plead guilty to lying to investigators. The 3 others who plead guilty were minor people not "around" Trump and they plead either to lying or identity theft.

Rick Gates, Manafort right hand man:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/gates-guilty-plea-mueller-russia/index.html
Gates, 45, was Manafort's right-hand man for a decade, was privy to most, if not all, of Manafort's activities during the campaign and stayed in the Trump orbit after Manafort's exit.
- plead guilty to conspiracy and lying to the FBI and is charged with money laundering

George Papadopoulos, Trump campaign adviser :
Why George Papadopoulos' guilty plea is a much bigger problem for Trump than the Manafort indictment
https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/30/politics/george-papadopolous-trump-guilty/index.html
- for lying to the FBI

Michael Flynn, Former Trump national security adviser:
Flynn pleads guilty to lying to FBI, is cooperating with Mueller
https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-charged/index.html

London lawyer Alex Van der Zwaan
https://www.npr.org/2018/02/20/587262174/mueller-investigation-secures-another-guilty-plea
- for lying to the FBI and failure to produce emails
He was a lawyer for Gates/Manafort
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/27/politics/alex-van-der-zwaan-memorandum/index.html
Van der Zwaan recorded a phone call with :

That Gates and the unnamed person, who had lived in Kiev and Moscow and worked for one of Paul Manafort's companies, were in touch in September and October 2016 was "pertinent to the investigation," a court filing from prosecutors said Tuesday night.

By my count that is at least 4 guilty pleas - all lying about Russia-Trump.

This guilty plea is also a likely connection:
California resident Richard Pinedo pleaded guilty to identity fraud in connection to Mueller's Russia probe
http://www.businessinsider.com/richard-pinedo-pleaded-guilty-to-aiding-russia-is-cooperating-with-mueller-2018-2

Special counsel Robert Mueller's office announced Friday that California resident Richard Pinedo pleaded guilty on February 12 to one count of identity fraud in connection with the Russia probe.
According to the statement of offense, Pinedo created fake bank accounts using stolen identities to help users circumvent the security protocols set up by large online payment websites like PayPal.
A separate indictment filed by Mueller's office earlier on Friday said that Russian nationals used PayPal to purchase Facebook ads aimed at sowing discord during the 2016 election.
Pinedo appears to have unwittingly aided the defendants named in the earlier indictment in their efforts to create PayPal accounts, and he is now cooperating with Mueller.

On top of that we know ex-campaign manager Paul Manafort has numerous grand jury indictments along with grand jury indictments of 13 Russians and three Russian organizations.

People do not usually lie to the FBI about something like this for no reason

[former9thward]

37. When this is all said and done

I will be more correct than your wild analysis.

[Jarqui]

29. In response 2:

A whole bunch of things you have posted are inaccurate.
....
You say: "His White House cabinet/staff high turnover is also not a good sign as a number of departures have cut a deal with Mueller. " No evidence of that.

First of all:
Trump's White House is setting records — in turnover of high-level staff
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-have-so-many-people-have-left-trumps-white-house-2018-3
https://www.brookings.edu/research/why-is-trumps-staff-turnover-higher-than-the-5-most-recent-presidents/

Aside from Gates, Flynn & Papadopoulos who cut plea deals:

Mark Corallo, a former spokesperson for Trump's legal team, is alleged to have flipped on Hope Hicks
http://www.newsweek.com/why-hope-hicks-resigning-communications-director-824876

Hicks became implicated in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation when Mark Corallo, a former spokesperson for Trump's legal team, told Mueller about a conference call he was on with Hicks and the president, during which time she reportedly promised that the communications between Donald Trump Jr. and a Russian lawyer about damaging Hillary Clinton's campaign would "never get out."

Felix Sheferovsky (Sater) is cooperating with Mueller
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/paul-manafort-russia-donald-trump-fbi-robert-mueller-george-papadopoulos-investigation-election-a8029636.html

George Nader, 'Man of mystery' cooperates with Mueller in Russia probe
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/06/politics/george-nader-robert-mueller/index.html
A Middle East specialist with ties to Donald Trump's team attended secret meetings during the presidential transition between the United Arab Emirates and Trump associates, and is now cooperating with special counsel Robert Mueller, two people familiar with the matter say.

(Fired Steve) Bannon Agrees to Cooperate With Mueller Inquiry
http://www.berkshireeagle.com/stories/bannon-agrees-to-cooperate-with-mueller-inquiry,529688
- though some might question how much cooperation Bannon will provide - he was fired so they may tap into his bitterness if Bannon wants Pence to take over.

Naturally fired acting/deputy AG Sally Yates would be helping.
So would fired FBI Director Jim Comey
So would fired acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe

When one fires or asks for the resignation of so many in a short period of time - putting a major blemish on their resume after volunteering to help Trump, and after he behaves like the asshole he is, some of those folks he does that to are going to be bitter. It's a simple fact of life. Now whether they act on
- that bitterness
- for the good of their party
- for the good of their country
- because the like Mike Pence better
or whatever
Some of those people are going the "Et Tu Brute" route and we don't know about them yet.

It is in the national best interest of allies and enemies who don't like Trump to go out of their way to help Mueller.

[former9thward]

34. None of these were cabinet members.

Your speculation on the others is out of sight in my view. When people start using words like "alleged" and "reportedly" and "according to sources" (always unnamed) I know its the internet at hard work.

[Jarqui]

38. Flynn was National Security Advisor and a member of his cabinet

Flynn's guilty plea in 2017 related to him lying about his activities with Russians in late 2016 - not 2006.

Steve Bannon was Senior Counselor to the President - he's cooperating.

My quote said "White House cabinet/staff high turnover" - staff was included.

Guilty pleas take us beyond "alleged", "reportedly" and "according to sources"
They are blatant admissions to criminal acts.
When you are caught lying to the FBI, there is a bunch of bad stuff you did that you did not want them to find out about.

[former9thward]

39. Flynn was not a member of the cabinet in 2016

Trump did not even take over until Jan. 20, 2017. Besides lying to the FBI exactly what did Flynn do that was illegal?

[Jarqui]

41. He was a member of Trump's cabinet. Period.

By his own guilty plea, he lied to the FBI about Russia.

As well
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/flynn-plea/547241/

Flynn retroactively filed under the Foreign Agent Registration Act for lobbying, in Flynn’s case for work on behalf of Turkey that occurred during the campaign and ended (per Flynn) only with Flynn’s November 2016 appointment as national-security adviser. The plea deal stipulates that Flynn made “materially false statements and representations” in his March 2017 FARA filings that disclosed this work, but those were not among the statements for which he was charged. That’s at least one clear instance in which Mueller is aware of criminal misconduct which he has chosen not to prosecute at this stage of his investigation.

That’s not all. According to reports and an account from former CIA Director James Woolsey, Flynn discussed a plot to kidnap Fethullah Gulen, the Turkish cleric living in self-imposed exile in Pennsylvania, whom the Turkish government accuses of fomenting a failed 2016 coup, and bundle him off to Turkey. Flynn also reportedly pushed a business plan on which he’d been a paid consultant after he entered the White House, a potential misuse of his office.

Flynn could also be in trouble for things he did before he was appointed national-security adviser. After leaving the military, Flynn was paid for trips overseas, including one to Russia for a fete celebrating RT, the Kremlin-backed news and propaganda outlet; at dinner, Flynn was seated with President Vladimir Putin. As former top brass, Flynn should have sought Pentagon permission before taking those trips; he also should have disclosed them when applying to renew his security clearance in 2016. Members of Congress allege that Flynn did neither.

The stench of his criminal behavior goes beyond the lies to the FBI and they have evidence of it (ie money received and/or the picture of him at dinner with Putin and/or the testimony of the former CIA Director, etc)

His plea deal is not because he cannot afford a lawyer. As the Miranda warning goes " If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you". The government has the burden of proof and therefore, the much greater legal cost. This isn't a civil proceeding. His net worth was estimated at about $7 million
https://coed.com/2017/12/01/michael-flynn-net-worth-united-states-general-national-security-advisor-money-value-dollars-assets/

If that wasn't enough, his buddy, Trump, could loan him all kinds of Russian dough if he was really innocent. But all the money in the world wasn't going to overcome the evidence they had against him. So he cut a deal.
https://www.scribd.com/document/366051713/Flynn-Plea-Agreement

Here's the original statement of offense against Flynn
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4319066-Flynn-Statement-of-Offense.html

[Jarqui]

32. In response 3:

A whole bunch of things you have posted are inaccurate.

You say: "A number of others who were around Trump are facing criminal charges." Well again 2 and those charges relate to matters back to 2006 and have nothing to do with the original Russia investigation.

That is absurdly false.

As above, four have provided guilty pleas directly related to the investigation of Russia & Trump.

Flynn's guilty plea
https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-court-filing/index.html
Specifies Flynn lied to the DOJ/FBI on or about Jan 24, 2017 about things that happened on Dec 22, 2016 and Dec 29, 2016, while working for Trump and related to the sanctions against Russia for messing with the US election.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/29/politics/russia-sanctions-announced-by-white-house/index.html

Gates guilty plea
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/rick-gates-plea-document/index.html
"Between 2008 and 2017 ... Manafort and Gates devised and attempted to devise, executed and attempted to execute a scheme and artifice to defraud and to obtain money ... by means of false and fraudulent pretenses ..."
They moved $12 mil illegally into the US - part of which arrived as late as 2014 - not 2006
They operated illegally as lobbyists through to 2014 on behalf of the Ukraine
In Nov 2016 and February 2017, Manafort and Gates lied to the Dept of Justice about this
The issues with the bank accounts and tax evasion occurred between 2008 and 2014
Manafort used the assets brought in right through to 2016 to obtain bogus mortgages and Gates helped him
Manafort also helped mess with elections and was Trump's campaign manager in 2016

They have this audio of US Congressman
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/paul-ryan-keeps-it-family-kevin-mccarthy-russia-trump

“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy said
...
In the Post piece, McCarthy’s remark is met with laughter, and Ryan cautions his colleagues, “This is an off the record . . . No leaks! . . . All right?”

And then, amid more laughter, Ryan says, “This is how we know we’re a real family here.”

What Mueller is doing is what Deep Throat said "Follow the money" Gates and Manafort are key players to discover in that search for how the money could get from Russia to the US.

So this guilty plea and cooperation of Gates is very significant as Mueller untangles what really went on here and now has evidence via the guilty plea of it going on into 2016 and the lying about it into 2017. This was a fully operational money laundering vehicle that delivered cash from Ukraine/Russia to the US. What they don't show are the transactions beyond 2014. They don't have to show those to get a conviction - as evidenced by Gates guilty plea. They wouldn't want to as those transactions will reveal where a key part of the investigation was going - which they would naturally want to keep confidential for now.

Van Der Zwaan guilty plea - ties him to Gates & Manafort
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/02/what-this-lawyers-guilty-plea-tells-us-about-muellers-investigation/

Person A, who Weissmann said lives largely in Ukraine, appears to be Konstantin Kilimnik, Manafort’s longtime business associate in the country. Prosectors have previously suggested that Kilimnik has ties to Russian intelligence. He also functioned in 2016 as an intermediary between Manafort and Oleg Deripaska, an aluminum oligarch suspected of providing intelligence on the US presidential election to Russian President Vladimir Putin in 2016. In one email Manafort sent while he chaired Trump’s campaign, he told Kilimnik that he was willing to privately brief Deripaska on the 2016 presidential contest. Kilimnik’s involvement appears to further tie Van Der Zwaan’s case to Mueller’s broader investigation.

Prosecutors also charge that Van Der Zwaan told other lies about his role in preparing the report. These include giving a false explanation for why he failed to turn over to his own lawyers and to prosecutors a September 12, 2016 email in Russian from Person A. The email included a request that Van Der Zwaan communicate though an encrypted messaging application called Viber. Weissmann said in court that Van Der Zwaan secretly recorded a follow up conversation in which Person A said the “payments [to Skadden] that were public” were the tip of the iceberg.

Van Der Zwaan guilty plea involved him lying to the DOJ/FBI in 2017-18 about things that happened in 2016 relating to Russian "payments" that were "the tip of the iceberg". There's nothing about 2006.

Papadopoulos guilty plea
https://www.justice.gov/file/1007346/download
- relates to him, as an advisor to Trump, finding out about and working towards getting "dirt" on Hillary Clinton in March 2016 - not 2006
Search that document for years. 2006 doesn't show up. 2016 shows up 36 times, 2017 shows up 6 times
I rest my case on Papadopoulos - it's a waste of time on you.

The fifth guilty plea of Pinedo
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/16/17021178/mueller-russian-indictments-richard-pinedo-plea-deal
is evidence of a path for how the Russian money for the Facebook ads got through

The indictment of the 13 Russians and 3 Russian organizations show it beginning in 2014 - not 2006
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/politics/mueller-indictment-13-russian-nationals/index.html

The Manafort indictment
https://www.justice.gov/file/1038391/download
has 2 hits for 2005, 5 hits for 2006 and 7 hits for 2007 but 452 hits on dates after 2007 including 103 in 2014 and after. And Mueller would not fully disclose the recent events yet because he's working on catching others involved.

Try reading the guilty pleas and indictments and enlightening yourself on the real facts and evidence of the case rather than spewing right wing talking points.

[former9thward]

35. I wish Mueller could read this stuff.

[Jarqui]

40. He already has.

Those guilty pleas are a permanent criminal record of what these people said they did.

Now, we know they haggled to the lesser charges, etc so the pleas are not all encompassing. But they are an admission of criminal wrong doing that Mueller nailed them on. And now, they've flipped to help Mueller get more.

[Jarqui]

33. In Response 4:

A whole bunch of things you have posted are inaccurate.
...
You say: "Lots more could be said on the other evidence that has been published " Well except no evidence has been published but that has not stopped anyone from speculating on total rumor.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/14/adam-schiff-there-ample-evidence-collusion-between-trump-campaign-russians/336786002/

Schiff said there is evidence — heard by the committee behind closed doors —that he can't talk about publicly because it remains classified. But he said there is plenty of evidence of collusion that has been reported publicly, including:


— Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about talking in April 2016 to a professor with close ties to the Kremlin who told Papadopoulos that Moscow had "dirt" on Hillary Clinton. The professor told him about thousands of emails the Russians had from the Clinton campaign.

— Donald Trump Jr., Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner, and former campaign chairman Paul Manafort met with a Russian attorney at Trump Tower in June 2016 after being promised "dirt" on Clinton. The campaign later communicated to meeting organizers that they were disappointed they didn't get what they were promised.

— In July 2017, the president and White House advisers put together a misleading statement about the nature of the Trump Tower meeting, saying that it was for the purpose of discussing Russian adoptions.

— The Trump campaign knew through Papadopoulos that the Russians had obtained thousands of emails from the Clinton campaign. Then-candidate Trump publicly asked the Russians in July 2016 to hack Clinton and find her "30,000 emails that are missing" from the personal email server she used while secretary of State. WikiLeaks began posting emails from the Clinton campaign in October, just weeks before the November election.

— Former White House national security adviser Michael Flynn held secret conversations with Russian officials in December 2016 during the presidential transition period, promising to undermine sanctions imposed against Russia by the Obama administration for meddling in the U.S. election. Flynn pleaded guilty late last year to lying to the FBI about those conversations.

"All of this is evidence of collusion," said Schiff, a former federal prosecutor. "Now, I've never said that there was proof beyond a reasonable doubt. That's for Bob Mueller to decide. But to say there's no evidence of collusion, you'd have to ignore all this."
...
"If this were a trial on the issue of did the Trump campaign conspire with the Russians to interfere or violate U.S. election laws by providing help to the Trump campaign, if this were a trial on that conspiracy charge...all of that evidence would come in as evidence of collusion," Schiff said.

The grand jury indictments and guilty pleas are riddled with summaries of the evidence that was presented to the grand juries to obtain those indictments or guilty pleas. For example naming specific bogus companies that were set up and documenting the wire transfers to/from them including the date and amount. Transcripts of public testimony to congress and quotations given to the media. Justification of FISA warrants contain evidence. etc, etc

Here's 108 page Brooking report just on Trump and Obstruction of Justice
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/presidential-obstruction-of-justice-the-case-of-donald-j-trump-final.pdf

There are significant questions as to whether President Trump obstructed justice. We do not yet know all the relevant facts, and any final determination must await further investigation, including by Special Counsel Robert Mueller. But the public record contains substantial evidence that President Trump attempted to impede the investigations of Michael Flynn and Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, including by firing FBI Director James Comey. There is also a question as to whether President Trump conspired to obstruct justice with senior members of his administration although the public facts regarding conspiracy are less well developed.

The word evidence comes up 63 times in that paper and they point out what that evidence is in the public domain.

If they were not continuing to find evidence, the investigation would have dried up long ago.

People don't plead guilty in the face of no evidence of wrong doing. They plead guilty when they're caught dead to rights with the evidence of their crime and are looking to minimize the punishment.

[former9thward]

36. Ahh no.

"heard by the committee behind closed doors —that he can't talk about publicly because it remains classified."

Ah yes, always behind closed doors. Everything else has been leaked but apparently the central theme of the investigation is not leaked.

People don't plead guilty in the face of no evidence of wrong doing. They plead guilty when they're caught dead to rights with the evidence of their crime and are looking to minimize the punishment.

I do criminal law and yes people do plead guilty to things they are not guilty of everyday in this country because they can't handle the financial and personal pressure of the government. If you think otherwise it is clear you have no experience in our legal system. You live in a fantasy world. Whatever helps I guess....

[Jarqui]

42. "always behind closed doors"? Really?

Read the full transcript of Fusion GPS co-founder's House intel panel testimony on the Trump dossier
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/18/trump-dossier-full-transcript-of-fusion-gps-cofounder-at-house-intel.html

Full Transcript and Video: James Comey’s Testimony on Capitol Hill
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/08/us/politics/senate-hearing-transcript.html

Full transcript: Sally Yates and James Clapper testify on Russian election interference
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/05/08/full-transcript-sally-yates-and-james-clapper-testify-on-russian-election-interference/?utm_term=.2f94c9d1dd2d

Transcript: Jeff Sessions' testimony on Trump and Russia
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/13/full-text-jeff-session-trump-russia-testimony-239503

Here's Exactly What Jeff Sessions Said About Russia at his Confirmation Hearing
http://time.com/4688494/jeff-sessions-russia-confirmation/

Transcript: Andrew McCabe Testified with Congressional Committee
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1712/21/cnnt.01.html

Transcript of ex-Trump adviser Carter Page's testimony on 2016 Russia trip released
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/06/transcript-ex-trump-adviser-carter-pages-testimony-on-2016-russia-trip-released.html

Facebook, Google, and Twitter Executives on Russia Election Interference
https://www.c-span.org/video/?436360-1/facebook-google-twitter-executives-testify-russias-influence-2016-election

Erik Prince testimony
http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20171130/106661/HHRG-115-IG00-Transcript-20171130.pdf

Roger Stone Full Statement to Congress House Intelligence Committee "Russia Probe" 9/26/2017

Here are all of the court documents Mueller's office has filed in the Russia probe that have been unsealed so far (only to Nov 1, 2017)
http://www.businessinsider.com/manafort-gates-papadopoulos-court-documents-robert-mueller-russia-2017-11

The Dworkin Report, Nov 2016:
Evidence Tying Donald Trump To Russia
https://www.scribd.com/document/330757147/The-Dworkin-Report-by-The-Democratic-Coalition


There are volumes more in the media

etc, etc.

I do not embrace every word of the above as evidence but there is plenty of good evidence that has been gathered in the public domain.

Not everything is behind closed doors. If it was, Trump wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem with it.

[FakeNoose]

22. Well ...

Cheeto swore to uphold the Constitution. That was under oath, and it was a lie.

[former9thward]

23. We will have to greatly expand our prison capacity

if that crime is ever charged.

[PatSeg]

31. Such a perfect analogy