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yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:04 PM Mar 2018

The Roseanne revival is incredibly honest about life in Trump's America

Source: Vox, by Todd VanDerWerff

*****

What makes Roseanne Conner’s Trump support such an interesting idea to build an episode of television around is the way it blissfully wanders into one of 2018 pop culture’s demilitarized zones: Entertainment can be for Trump supporters or for those who don’t like Trump, but it’s not supposed to be for both.

And for both white progressives and white conservatives who share a family (yes, there are people of color struggling with these political divides in their own families, but this is overwhelmingly an issue for white families), this is a constant fact of life in 2018 America: Can we still love each other? Can we work this out? Should we work this out? The answers are as varied as these families are, but Roseanne takes the simple idea of living in 2018 without killing your family members — or even just dying yourself — and builds a whole season of a TV show around it.

*****

Roseanne
has always been about the big gap between the American dream and the American reality for too many people. When I cite the original series’ “vague progressivism,” I don’t really mean that it had a coherent political framework so much as it believed in the idea that the American dream was too often hoarded by those who least needed access to it, who then parceled it out in little chunks to those further down the ladders of economic, racial, and social privilege. It called, week after week, not for revolution but for understanding that people like the Conners were out there and just trying their best.

*****

That makes Roseanne sound like some sort of dark elegy for a forgotten America, I realize, and maybe it is that. But it’s also funny and vibrant and warm. It takes a little while to rediscover its rhythms, but once it does, it feels tuned in to its world and its country in a way few sitcoms are anymore. There are punchlines in these episodes that don’t land because the audience seems scared to laugh at how raw they are. Good, I think. This show has always been better when the humor comes peppered with fear.


Read it all at: https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/3/27/17165928/roseanne-review-revival-abc-trump


Twenty years later - none of us are the same.

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The Roseanne revival is incredibly honest about life in Trump's America (Original Post) yallerdawg Mar 2018 OP
There are no MFM008 Mar 2018 #1
You're lucky. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #3
There are many in mine that we do. nolabear Mar 2018 #8
I love this Hekate Mar 2018 #109
It's hard for me too. My parents are becoming elderly TNLib Mar 2018 #135
I hear you. We all come in and we all go out. nolabear Mar 2018 #136
@#$% Roseanne. n/t Scurrilous Mar 2018 #2
Clearly! yallerdawg Mar 2018 #6
Except Carroll O'Connor was a liberal. He wasn't a Nixon humper in real life. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #9
I remember a Roseanne who wasn't deplorable. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #30
I remember her, too. GoCubsGo Mar 2018 #106
ABC's Normalizing the Alt-right is going to get push back. -nt poboy2 Mar 2018 #72
Alt-right? Roseanne is now a white nationalist? Where exactly did you get that? Hekate Mar 2018 #110
Pics wellst0nev0ter Mar 2018 #115
That is a seriously fucked-up attempt at humor. VOX Mar 2018 #126
Did you know she believes Pizza-Gate and the Seth Rich hoax too? RhodeIslandOne Mar 2018 #118
And, who cares about the rest of the cast? GoCubsGo Mar 2018 #56
Good question. cwydro Mar 2018 #79
I'll watch for Laurie Metcalf and Sara Gilbert alone. B2G Mar 2018 #81
I really like John Goodman, too. GoCubsGo Mar 2018 #105
Oh g g...there are so many other things to watch. Tikki Mar 2018 #91
Not really. GoCubsGo Mar 2018 #99
I assume you entered that post above with a computer... Tikki Mar 2018 #100
I don't like watching TV on my laptop. GoCubsGo Mar 2018 #101
Then enjoy your shows :) Tikki Mar 2018 #103
Good for you. GoCubsGo Mar 2018 #104
Should I have watched Hannity and Colmes because Colmes was ok? RhodeIslandOne Mar 2018 #119
I don't give a shit what you watch. GoCubsGo Mar 2018 #124
Wow, such polite conversation RhodeIslandOne Mar 2018 #127
Bless your heart! GoCubsGo Mar 2018 #129
TV fight. Where's the remote? n/t rzemanfl Mar 2018 #128
So much ado about a damn sitcom. GoCubsGo Mar 2018 #130
Oh gosh! Oh Swoon! Oh my lucky stars there is such TV show!!! GusBob Mar 2018 #4
+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Mar 2018 #17
I'm With Ya, GusBob ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #49
ABC's Normalizing the Alt-right is going to get push back. This is BS -nt poboy2 Mar 2018 #73
I'll pass DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #5
+1 dalton99a Mar 2018 #13
The comparisons between her and Archie Bunker are flawed because... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #16
Also, the point of All in the Family was to show how ridiculous and backward Archie's views were EffieBlack Mar 2018 #42
Well, and liberals was well zipplewrath Mar 2018 #61
Exactly! lunatica Mar 2018 #132
Also Carol O'Connor was actually talented. BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #82
I see white people. ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #7
LOL. -nt Freelancer Mar 2018 #28
It's not a white homogenous family or show. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #31
Neither were plantation owners' families EffieBlack Mar 2018 #45
The character DJ's wife is deployed... yallerdawg Mar 2018 #48
You don't find it strange that they injected "color" into the show by casting a cute black child but EffieBlack Mar 2018 #60
There are a number of appearances and characters coming up in future episodes. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #64
You think that having a black child on the show isn't "tokenism" but having a black adult on is? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #67
The old I cant be racist became ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #65
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2018 #116
Heh. betsuni Mar 2018 #114
What garbage. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2018 #10
When I was a kid I remember my friend's father was reading The Gulag Archipelago, pretty dense stuff DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #12
This right here leftstreet Mar 2018 #14
Late '80's, 90's? yallerdawg Mar 2018 #18
I don't get what you're saying. What are you saying? WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2018 #19
I think yallerdawg is pointing out that the writer of the article is talking about Demit Mar 2018 #90
Roseanne used to be progressive MountCleaners Mar 2018 #111
"Incredibly honest about life in Trump's America" What a load of shit GusBob Mar 2018 #22
Them DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #23
I agree----except I would have said "bullshit" instead of "garbage". nt Atticus Mar 2018 #107
Yay, more Trumpanzees on TV dalton99a Mar 2018 #11
lol fail. stonecutter357 Mar 2018 #15
My 85-year-old mother is a Trump supporter. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #21
Unless it's billed as a sit-com. Which it is. So it is. LanternWaste Mar 2018 #87
I watched the hour. I laughed my ass off! yallerdawg Mar 2018 #96
I disagree. They portrayed Roseannes sister as an unhinged nutjob liberal woman. Trust Buster Mar 2018 #20
No. Its honest! Incredibly honest! Its real life in America! GusBob Mar 2018 #24
What's next ? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #27
They portrayed her the way they always have, the way she's always been. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #25
Can you explain to me how a TV show, a sit-com is "great social commentary" GusBob Mar 2018 #29
Just like "West Wing." yallerdawg Mar 2018 #34
Let me try a different approach GusBob Mar 2018 #52
You're conflating reality and fiction. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #59
/sigh/ you are dodging the question. Read your OP title GusBob Mar 2018 #62
That's the title of the Vox article. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #68
Huh? GusBob Mar 2018 #70
And yet here we are discussing it. Sit-coms have often been social commentary. nolabear Mar 2018 #38
'Roseanne' delivers big ratings in much-awaited ABC return yallerdawg Mar 2018 #40
Murphy Brown will be interesting as well. Im so sad Robert Pastorelli is gone. nolabear Mar 2018 #44
Maybe they're going with these old shows... yallerdawg Mar 2018 #46
LOL! Hey, I'm glad just to BE a demographic. nolabear Mar 2018 #77
Don't be too sad. At the time of his death, he was the prime John Fante Mar 2018 #83
Really? I had no idea! nolabear Mar 2018 #98
I believe this was up against a bunch or reruns on the other networks rurallib Mar 2018 #84
There are no "reruns" on broadcast network television anymore. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #89
That's fair GusBob Mar 2018 #55
It's filmed in front of a live studio audience. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #80
OK I am sorry I was so critical GusBob Mar 2018 #125
There is social media now... MountCleaners Mar 2018 #112
They certainly did. I'd forgotten about that. -nt poboy2 Mar 2018 #74
I was disappointed that Jackie was depicted as a kacekwl Mar 2018 #97
Who voted for Jill Stein. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #102
Makes me glad we cut the cord last July. Va Lefty Mar 2018 #26
Roseanne (the person, not the character) PatSeg Mar 2018 #32
Thank you MountCleaners Mar 2018 #113
You're welcome PatSeg Mar 2018 #117
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Mar 2018 #33
Interesting. Can you elaborate a little? ecstatic Mar 2018 #85
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Mar 2018 #108
Is there a way to watch the episode? I missed the premier lunamagica Mar 2018 #35
You might try... yallerdawg Mar 2018 #36
Thank you! lunamagica Mar 2018 #37
It's also on Hulu Revanchist Mar 2018 #133
Thanks! lunamagica Mar 2018 #134
I'm still not watching this shit, period... mreilly Mar 2018 #39
I love how they stick a black grandchild in there to prove how so not racist Roseanne is EffieBlack Mar 2018 #41
What about the grandson sitting on the left wearing a skirt? yallerdawg Mar 2018 #43
Yup - families who claim to love their brown and gay members EffieBlack Mar 2018 #47
You are not describing the show. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #51
She's describing the show's namesake. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #53
I'm Not Impressed Either, Effie ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #54
Google says Roseanne is 65, so frogmarch Mar 2018 #50
What about John Goodman... yallerdawg Mar 2018 #57
For the love of money DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #66
I don't know about the others. frogmarch Mar 2018 #86
Do you have money invested in the show? RhodeIslandOne Mar 2018 #120
I "insist" you watch the show before you condemn the show. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #123
Didn't Watch It Then; Won't Watch It Now MineralMan Mar 2018 #58
THIS! Va Lefty Mar 2018 #76
Meh. They tried too hard. GoCubsGo Mar 2018 #63
l will make the bold prediction that I will not watch 1 second of the show. CentralMass Mar 2018 #69
It's hilarious vlyons Mar 2018 #71
So are all these threads. cwydro Mar 2018 #75
I'm curious now. Prior to this thread, ecstatic Mar 2018 #78
Meh, I'm rather tired of the recent trend of revivials of old shows on TV. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2018 #88
Think about it. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #92
Millennials are a major group using antenna. NutmegYankee Mar 2018 #121
I've heard good things about that one. B2G Mar 2018 #93
It's absolutely hilarious. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2018 #95
Thanks for the thread! I didn't know... LAS14 Mar 2018 #94
It's so "honest," ABC has scrubbed her Twitter account Adenoid_Hynkel Mar 2018 #122
Didn't watch it and never will. ananda Mar 2018 #131
This message was self-deleted by its author .99center Mar 2018 #137

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
8. There are many in mine that we do.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:17 PM
Mar 2018

And it’s hard. I love those people. I loved them for 60 years before he showed up. We’ve disagreed and argued and gotten mad and we’ve also tried to talk and understand one another. Sometimes we just tolerate one another because giving up our whole lives out of rage and fear is a loss too great to bear.
I’d be giving up sharing their joys and sorrows and sharing mine. We’re family. We act like family; we take care of one another and provide for one another. And it’s HARD.

If you wall yourself off when you are angry at someone who’s been important in your life I think you also wall off any path forward. And that’s unthinkable for me, as much as I despise 45.

TNLib

(1,819 posts)
135. It's hard for me too. My parents are becoming elderly
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 03:28 PM
Mar 2018

I hate watching them turn into angry old deplorables and they are starting to get to the point they may need my help soon.

and it's the same for my inlaws who have always been ultra conservative. But they are now so bad off one is on hospice and they are both in assisted living. When they get to this point, politics just doesn't matter.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
9. Except Carroll O'Connor was a liberal. He wasn't a Nixon humper in real life.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:17 PM
Mar 2018

If he was I would have never watched the series.

GoCubsGo

(32,083 posts)
106. I remember her, too.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 07:44 PM
Mar 2018

I don't know what the hell happened to her. I'm sure I'll get slammed for saying this, but I think developed some sort of mental illness at some point. She did suffer a head injury from being hit by a car when she was a teenager, and one has to wonder if it has been manifesting itself in her behavior. I can't hate her the way most people here seem to. I abhor her support for Spanky the Ass Clown, but outside of that, I rather feel bad for her. She seems extremely messed up.

Hekate

(90,681 posts)
110. Alt-right? Roseanne is now a white nationalist? Where exactly did you get that?
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 08:57 PM
Mar 2018

Or do you not know that alt-right is synonymous with Neo-Nazi and White Nationalist?

I am not getting that from the new Rosanne Conner at all.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
115. Pics
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 11:48 PM
Mar 2018




Context: She insisted on wearing that outfit for a photo shoot with millennial Jewish magazine HEEB. And she is of Jewish heritage.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
126. That is a seriously fucked-up attempt at humor.
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 08:38 AM
Mar 2018

Not blaming you in the slightest, wellst0nev0ter. (Actually glad you posted those, I haven't seen them until now.) I'm blaming her for pushing that image. It's going where thoughtful people shouldn't go.

But there's the catch: "thoughtful."

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
118. Did you know she believes Pizza-Gate and the Seth Rich hoax too?
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 01:35 AM
Mar 2018

She is beyond “just voting for Trump” she is full blown deplorable.

GoCubsGo

(32,083 posts)
56. And, who cares about the rest of the cast?
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 02:06 PM
Mar 2018

Apparently, they don't matter, even though at least a couple of them are most certainly NOT Deplorables.

GoCubsGo

(32,083 posts)
99. Not really.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 06:44 PM
Mar 2018

Especially if one doesn't have cable, which I don't. I'm not a fan of "NCIS" or shit like "The Voice." That was pretty much the best of the line-up, which tells you how bad it was.

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
100. I assume you entered that post above with a computer...
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 06:57 PM
Mar 2018

Nothing on PBS, it is online? There are some free online classic movie sites.

We, also, don't have cable.

Tikki

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
4. Oh gosh! Oh Swoon! Oh my lucky stars there is such TV show!!!
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:12 PM
Mar 2018

I honestly don't know how I would be able to conduct my life without such a wonderful creation

Jesus fucking christ

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
16. The comparisons between her and Archie Bunker are flawed because...
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:24 PM
Mar 2018

The comparisons between her and Archie Bunker are flawed because Carroll O'Connor wasn't a Deplorable in real life. I might have watched the show if Roseanne wasn't a Deplorable in real life.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
42. Also, the point of All in the Family was to show how ridiculous and backward Archie's views were
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 01:50 PM
Mar 2018

not to help the country better understand bigots.

Archie was the joke.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
61. Well, and liberals was well
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 02:15 PM
Mar 2018

The most admirable character was supposed to be Edith, not Meathead. She was to be the rational voice. Archie was to be the over the top lower middle class character, but Meathead was to be the over the top left winger.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
132. Exactly!
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 01:32 PM
Mar 2018

Archie Bunker was deliberately made to look like a modern day deplorable of low intelligence and shallow reasoning, if even that. He was not there to normalize racism and sexism. He was there to show the stupidity and ignorance of it. To blow it up by taking it out of the shadows and put an unblinking spotlight on it. The humor was pure genius. It was the sugar which made it easier to face.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
45. Neither were plantation owners' families
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 01:51 PM
Mar 2018

Having a black grandkid doesn't mean someone's not racist. A lot of my male ancestors had black children and grandchildren. They were still racist as hell.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
48. The character DJ's wife is deployed...
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 02:00 PM
Mar 2018

overseas as was he, and that is their child.

There is nothing here that is strange or remarkable. This is family today.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
60. You don't find it strange that they injected "color" into the show by casting a cute black child but
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 02:12 PM
Mar 2018

the black adult who could actually push back on Rosanne is conveniently out of sight and silent?

All the better to show how supposedly not-racist Trump supporters are without having to actually confront any difficult race issues face to face with an actual black person over the age of 10.

I guess DJ can occasionally speak up for black folk since he is, after all, he has proven how so not racist he is because he married an invisible black woman and can be our voice when he so chooses. And since having an actual real live grown-assed black woman speaking for herself would be divisive.

Still totally not impressed.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
64. There are a number of appearances and characters coming up in future episodes.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 02:18 PM
Mar 2018

It's only a "thirty minute" show - and a comedy.

Aren't we past 'token' yet?

I dream of the day this doesn't even cross one's mind.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
67. You think that having a black child on the show isn't "tokenism" but having a black adult on is?
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 02:19 PM
Mar 2018

Okaaay.

Happy viewing.

ismnotwasm

(41,979 posts)
65. The old I cant be racist became
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 02:19 PM
Mar 2018

“I dated a black person for 3 years”
“I have a half black grandchild”
“My best friend from high school is black AND Native American”
“Insert spurious or legit relationship to person(s) of color here, all the while blithely ignoring the racism of privilege and the existence of white supremacy”

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,338 posts)
10. What garbage.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:19 PM
Mar 2018
When I cite the original series’ “vague progressivism,” I don’t really mean that it had a coherent political framework so much as it believed in the idea that the American dream was too often hoarded by those who least needed access to it, who then parceled it out in little chunks to those further down the ladders of economic, racial, and social privilege. It called, week after week, not for revolution but for understanding that people like the Conners were out there and just trying their best.


That's not vague progressivism, that's populism, which is exactly what gave us Trump. Calling for "understanding" about "people like the Connors" out there who are "just trying their best" is lazily coded dogwhistling and a full-on excuse for any racial, gender or other class scapegoating "people like the Connors" might do.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
12. When I was a kid I remember my friend's father was reading The Gulag Archipelago, pretty dense stuff
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:21 PM
Mar 2018

He was a construction worker, Not all blue collar people are rubes.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
18. Late '80's, 90's?
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:25 PM
Mar 2018

You want to apply how we feel today back to when we were transitioning from Bush 2.0 to the hopeful promise of Clinton?

I guess you can.

I just remember it different.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
90. I think yallerdawg is pointing out that the writer of the article is talking about
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 03:51 PM
Mar 2018

what the original show was trying to do back then ("It called, week after week, not for revolution but for understanding that people like the Conners were out there and just trying their best." )

Not sure I agree with that, myself. I just remember the show being built around Roseanne Barr's shtick: the "domestic goddess," as she jokingly called herself in her standup routine, who was anything but. She relied a lot on shocking people's expectations. I never saw that as social commentary, exactly.

MountCleaners

(1,148 posts)
111. Roseanne used to be progressive
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 09:06 PM
Mar 2018

Dealt with class issues, race issues, queer issues. That's why I watched the show.

Obviously she's nutso now, but if you read interviews with her back then, she was very progressive.

I'm going to watch it anyway. I think it's good for Trumpies to see other Trumpies interacting with civility toward left-wingers. The fact that Roseanne is a Trumpie on the show only opens her up to criticism from all of the other characters.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
22. "Incredibly honest about life in Trump's America" What a load of shit
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:35 PM
Mar 2018

Its a goddamned TV show. They probably said the same thing about Duck Dynasty.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
21. My 85-year-old mother is a Trump supporter.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:32 PM
Mar 2018

She had an "I'd Still Vote for President Nixon" bumper sticker on her car after he left office, while I was still in school. She spent 40 years with the Republican

I have family members who visit us - and some who don't visit us.

Maybe this isn't a laughing matter.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
87. Unless it's billed as a sit-com. Which it is. So it is.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 03:28 PM
Mar 2018

"Maybe this isn't a laughing matter..."

Unless it's billed as a sit-com. Which it is. So it is.

I get it... it's fun to pretend so much tolerance for the sake of self-righteousness at the expense of others for simply not watching a sitcom.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
96. I watched the hour. I laughed my ass off!
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 04:09 PM
Mar 2018

I knew what was comin' - I started watchin' this show in late '80's!

I don't care if anyone doesn't watch the show. Just don't review it if you don't!

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
20. I disagree. They portrayed Roseannes sister as an unhinged nutjob liberal woman.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:30 PM
Mar 2018

I thought it was disgraceful. Will never tune in again.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
24. No. Its honest! Incredibly honest! Its real life in America!
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:37 PM
Mar 2018

Its entertainment for everybody!

Gawd this review is so fricking gag worthy. Its almost offensive

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
25. They portrayed her the way they always have, the way she's always been.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:37 PM
Mar 2018

That's the point.

Knowing the Roseanne character, both are pretty true to the previous 9 years depicted - 20 years ago. It was great social commentary back then, and has the makings to be that now.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
29. Can you explain to me how a TV show, a sit-com is "great social commentary"
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:51 PM
Mar 2018

Its all made-up. actors, writers, scripts, producers, stages, props. a week time frame compressed into 30 minutes

There is no social feedback loop. You sit there and watch it

The point is not to get you to think, respond or interact

The point is to get you to watch commercials

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
34. Just like "West Wing."
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 01:20 PM
Mar 2018

We bring something to everything we see.

Commercials, subscription fees, tickets, pay for what we want to see. If it fails, we don't see it anymore.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
52. Let me try a different approach
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 02:02 PM
Mar 2018

Do you think this sit-com represents an "incredibly honest" portrayal of America under Donald Trump?

How in any way is it accurate?

If it was honest and accurate ABC would not be deleting the lead characters tweets. They would in fact be part of the show

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
59. You're conflating reality and fiction.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 02:11 PM
Mar 2018

I don't see life through one single lens. It's too limiting.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
62. /sigh/ you are dodging the question. Read your OP title
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 02:15 PM
Mar 2018

Do you think that the show is an incredibly honest portrayal of life in Trumps America

You posted the piece. Is it fact or fiction?

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
68. That's the title of the Vox article.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 02:20 PM
Mar 2018

If you read the article/review, you will understand what the writer is conveying.

But you don't have to!

Come with what you got before you saw the show you will never watch!

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
38. And yet here we are discussing it. Sit-coms have often been social commentary.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 01:34 PM
Mar 2018

I'm fascinated by the responses. Some respond out of the politics of Roseanne Barr herself. Some watch and don't like the depiction of one character that they identify with. Some see it as a class issue. Some resonate because they have relatives like the characters and wrestle with dealing with them too. Some cheer for the sides like they do teams.

I welcome that.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
40. 'Roseanne' delivers big ratings in much-awaited ABC return
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 01:44 PM
Mar 2018
The Roseanne Barr comedy, returning to ABC two decades after it ended its first run, averaged 18.2 million viewers, more than doubling its competitors in young-adult ratings for Tuesday's hourlong premiere, according to Nielsen.

In both categories, Roseanne was the top regularly scheduled broadcast this season, and the premiere even outpaced (by 10%) the 16.6 million recorded for its May 1997 series finale.

The return was much larger than the premiere of another original-cast revival, NBC's Will & Grace, which opened to 10.2 million viewers last September. A third season has been added to its two-season order. Another original-cast comedy, CBS's Murphy Brown, is in the works for fall.

Roseanne
towered over tough competition, CBS's NCIS and NBC's The Voice, and delivered ABC's best results in the time period since 2006. It scored the highest rating for a comedy since The Big Bang Theory's 2014 fall premiere.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2018/03/28/roseanne-makes-huge-ratings-noise-much-awaited-abc-return/466083002/

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
44. Murphy Brown will be interesting as well. Im so sad Robert Pastorelli is gone.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 01:50 PM
Mar 2018

Her cast members haven’t gone on to such major careers so seeing them will be more of a surprise.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
46. Maybe they're going with these old shows...
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 01:53 PM
Mar 2018

'cause 'old fahts' like me are the only one's left watching TV!

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
77. LOL! Hey, I'm glad just to BE a demographic.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 03:06 PM
Mar 2018

I was surprised that the first ad last night, in what must have been an expensive slot, was Haribo gummy bears!

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
83. Don't be too sad. At the time of his death, he was the prime
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 03:23 PM
Mar 2018

suspect in the murder of his girlfriend.

rurallib

(62,414 posts)
84. I believe this was up against a bunch or reruns on the other networks
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 03:24 PM
Mar 2018

and for us here a repeat "Antiques Roadshow." So it was the only thing new on "regular" TV at the time.

I opted for Chris Hayes and an NIT game.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
89. There are no "reruns" on broadcast network television anymore.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 03:37 PM
Mar 2018
On NBC, “The Voice” (1.6, 8.9 million) was down significantly in both measures from last week, as were “Rise” (0.8, 4.5 million) and “Chicago Med” (1.0, 5.8 million).

For CBS, “NCIS” (1.3, 11.8 million) was down in both measures while “Bull” (1.2, 10.7 million) and “NCIS: New Orleans” (0.9, 8.6 million) held steady.

New episodes of “LA to Vegas” (0.6, 2 million) and “The Mick” (0.6, 1.8 million) were down on Fox.

On The CW, “Black Lightning” (0.5, 1.5 million) was even.

http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/roseanne-revival-abc-ratings-1202738237/

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
55. That's fair
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 02:05 PM
Mar 2018

I take issue with the fawning approach this article presents.

This fucking sit com is not an honest portrayal of life in Donald Trumps America

There's no laugh track out here. No goddamned punch lines for ratings

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
80. It's filmed in front of a live studio audience.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 03:11 PM
Mar 2018

The two sisters hadn't spoken to each other in a year over the 2016 election. The two oldsters have to portion out half their prescriptions, all they could afford. The kids are back in the house to watch the aging parents, for job issues, for money issues, for help with kids. On and on.

These aren't punchlines.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
125. OK I am sorry I was so critical
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 08:23 AM
Mar 2018

I didn't know that they had so many problems. I hope things work out for the Connell family.

Looks like Trump, our TV president, is a big fan as well

kacekwl

(7,017 posts)
97. I was disappointed that Jackie was depicted as a
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 04:52 PM
Mar 2018

liberal loon. Did not find the show itself funny at all.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
102. Who voted for Jill Stein.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 07:02 PM
Mar 2018

If you watched the previous 9 seasons you'd recognize this was her character.

PatSeg

(47,430 posts)
32. Roseanne (the person, not the character)
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:59 PM
Mar 2018

was always a bit off-the-wall publicly. Some of her antics were really outrageous and off-putting, but people watched the show anyway, as it had an excellent ensemble cast and top notch writing. They covered topics that few shows addressed and the family was more realistic than most sitcoms.

Of course, I thought Roseanne's support of Trump was a real turnoff, but I watched the show, because I wanted to see John Goodman as Dan and Laurie Metcalf as Jackie again. Though the show was named after Roseanne, she was not necessarily the strongest or most convincing actor. I never felt like she transitioned well from standup comedian to actor all that well. Without that extraordinary cast and writers, the show would have bombed I'm sure.

Meanwhile, prior to the show's debut, Roseanne started showing up in the news because of her extreme Tweets about politics. Maybe it was just Roseanne, being Roseanne, or maybe she was intentionally drawing attention to herself and as such, to her new show.

I will watch again, in support of the entire cast and writers.

MountCleaners

(1,148 posts)
113. Thank you
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 09:12 PM
Mar 2018

I think some people here are just cynical about tv in general.

The constant negativity gets me down sometimes. I found the show a relief from that. It wasn't as good as the old show, but it wasn't bad. I'm not gonna die because I listened to a Trumpie character. It still portrays a working-class family, which is how I grew up. I could relate to a lot of the stuff that was in the original show.

PatSeg

(47,430 posts)
117. You're welcome
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 12:23 AM
Mar 2018

I agree, it wasn't as good as the original - I still watch reruns of it now and then - but it was actually better than I was expecting. Reboots rarely recapture the magic of the originals, but it is good to see so many cast members back together. They really do capture working class families. I was raised in the Chicago area and so much of the show rings true.

I am looking forward to the reboot of Murphy Brown. With today's politics, that should be very interesting.

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ecstatic

(32,703 posts)
85. Interesting. Can you elaborate a little?
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 03:25 PM
Mar 2018

I was a kid when it aired before, but I watched, despite not relating to the characters (except for the daughter) or lifestyle. Most likely I watched because of the time slot and proximity to other shows that I had a stronger interest in.

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yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
36. You might try...
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 01:30 PM
Mar 2018
http://abc.go.com/

If you have excellent firewall and anti-virus, the episodes are "shared" all over the internet.
 

mreilly

(2,120 posts)
39. I'm still not watching this shit, period...
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 01:35 PM
Mar 2018

... 3 reasons why:

1. I don't watch television at all since it's all mind-numbingly stupid and dull. There isn't a single show out there which captures my interest.

2. Roseanne is literally one of the most annoying celebrities out there, regardless of politics.

3. I refuse to watch anything from a piece of shit Trump supporter.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
43. What about the grandson sitting on the left wearing a skirt?
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 01:50 PM
Mar 2018

Looks like a lot of families in the USA today.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
47. Yup - families who claim to love their brown and gay members
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 01:56 PM
Mar 2018

But then add their votes to the votes of people who hate them to give them the numbers they need to elect people whose mission it is to make it government policy to take away their rights, dehumanize them and return to a time when it was fine to treat them like shit.

So, forgive me if I'm not impressed that they let the black kid and the kid with skirt stay in the family picture.

frogmarch

(12,153 posts)
50. Google says Roseanne is 65, so
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 02:01 PM
Mar 2018

how come she didn't commit suicide at age 60 like she'd said years ago that everyone should?

I can't stand her. Never could, not even before I knew what a piece of shit she is.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
120. Do you have money invested in the show?
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 01:53 AM
Mar 2018

You seem insistent everyone needs to watch this goddamn show.

Plenty of good people work at Walmart. I choose not to shop there regardless.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
123. I "insist" you watch the show before you condemn the show.
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 06:49 AM
Mar 2018

I shopped at Walmart. I learned about Walmart. I worked at Walmart.

I choose not to shop at Walmart because I know Walmart.

GoCubsGo

(32,083 posts)
63. Meh. They tried too hard.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 02:17 PM
Mar 2018

Could have been a decent show had the left out the politics, and tried not to shoe-horn every social issue on the planet into it. They went waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overboard to a point where it was just one big cliche. Wish they had stuck closer to the original show. I watched because there wasn't much else on that interested me. I don't know if I'll watch again.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
75. So are all these threads.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 03:00 PM
Mar 2018

As I said elsewhere, I’m just thrilled that this DU tempest about a sitcom has knocked Stormy off the front page in GD.

ecstatic

(32,703 posts)
78. I'm curious now. Prior to this thread,
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 03:06 PM
Mar 2018

I had zero interest in Roseanne or her show. I didn't realize it was a reboot of the old show, with many of the same characters. There's no more room on my DVR, but I might check it out on demand (if time ever permits).

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
88. Meh, I'm rather tired of the recent trend of revivials of old shows on TV.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 03:33 PM
Mar 2018

The old show was okay, had its good moments, slacked off towards the end, and that should have been that.

Not rushing to watch it all again.

Honestly, we haven't run out of original ideas that entertaining brand new shows can't still be made.

I just finished binge watching Season 2 of Santa Clarita Diet on Netflix. Absolutely hysterical.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
92. Think about it.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 04:05 PM
Mar 2018

Broadcast TV. Cord cutting. Internet. Smart phones.

Who are the only people who have a digital antenna hooked up to their TV? People who watched all these old shows!

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
121. Millennials are a major group using antenna.
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 02:27 AM
Mar 2018

They cut the cord and use the TV reception for morning news and sports. In fact, OTA (over the air) receiving is growing every year as people realize they can get their HD TV without a $200 cable bill. That said, I spend far more time watching Netflix for shows, but an antenna is a one time only cost vs monthly and I like my weather/traffic in the morning.

As for antennas themselves, there is no such thing as a digital antenna. It's a marketing gimmick - most people in a major city can use rabbit ears and ring to great effect. The old antennas still work, though some were optimized for VHF (54-88MHz and 174-216 MHz), and most TV stations were moved into the UHF bands (470 - 806 MHz). With a digital format they can broadcast on a higher frequency channel and still show up on the TV as their original channel. For example, WFSB CBS Channel 3, in Connecticut broadcasts on UHF channel 33 (584-590 MHz), but appears on my TV as channel 3. The lower band of VHF was mostly eliminated during the switch to open these frequencies up for emergency communications.

The examples people cite of losing a channel with the digital switch are likely caused by either having a VHF optimized antenna and the frequency changed to UHF, or the UHF being even more "line of sight" sensitive and terrain blocks the new signal.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
95. It's absolutely hilarious.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 04:09 PM
Mar 2018

Someone said let's combine the premises of The Walking Dead, Dexter, and Desperate Housewives, and just mix in a bunch of absurdist humor, and run with it.

And it works.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
94. Thanks for the thread! I didn't know...
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 04:08 PM
Mar 2018

... it was back on the air. Got on 'On Demand'. It's just as smart and funny as ever.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
122. It's so "honest," ABC has scrubbed her Twitter account
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 02:32 AM
Mar 2018

And is trying to hide her vile racism and Alex Jonesery of the past two years in order to market a warm and fuzzy kind of Trumpism

ananda

(28,859 posts)
131. Didn't watch it and never will.
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 09:37 AM
Mar 2018

I watched the much earlier version some because
Laurie Metcalf was so funny.

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