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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo is a Ron Paul win in Iowa good for President Obama or more dangerous than the other cons?
I always look at these things in context. Surely a RP victory drives the GOP crazy but does it help our cause?
Personally I think he is most dangerous and most extreme candidate out there. His monitary schemes would drive this country past the brink IMHO. His form of Libertarianism is just Republicanism on steroids. His bigotry, homophobia & blatent antisemitism are vile. Clearly only his anti war stance is the only thing we have in common with.
Comparing him to to the other clowns in the race to the bottom he is the only one who would pull off some low information Liberals. I doubt any of the other Candidates would appeal to Independents. Part of Obama's electorate was most definitely Independent in 2008. Will that be effected by a RP win?
In short this Stormfront posterboy scares the crap out of me.
You?
catabryna
(2,080 posts)DU needs to get over him.
sellitman
(11,606 posts)I'll get over him when he has returned to Texas a beaten broke loser.
Autumn
(45,056 posts)Whomever the media and TPTB wants to be President will be President. Make no mistake about it.
progressoid
(49,978 posts)If that were true, Hillary would been our nominee . By all accounts, she was the chosen one.
Autumn
(45,056 posts)How about Kerry and Bush? Hillary was pushed by the media a year or so leading up to the primaries, when the primaries were all set the media pushed her aside.
Obama has been a cooperative tool for the 1%, and there is really no reason to believe anything will change. The Iowa and New Hampshire sideshows really mean nothing, but they make it seem to the fooled that they have some influence, and allows them to let off steam arguing amongst themselves.
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Pisces
(5,599 posts)are all below Obama and will never stand up to debates with him. Ron Paul may appeal to idealist, but he will never be the nominee.
The only candidate who has some brains to compete with Obama is Huntsman and his party thinks he is too smart and moderate.
It will be Obama 2012!!!
quinnox
(20,600 posts)is civil liberties, Paul makes a habit of speaking against the police state and so on. Besides the anti-war stance as you pointed out.
Not sure what a potential Paul win in Iowa means to our side. I guess it would hurt Romney a little, but in the long run it might not matter all that much.
No, Ron Paul doesn't scare me. It would be a miracle if he actually won the nomination. I don't see it happening.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)means anything. Especially if Paul or god's (so called) one Santorum (he said says)win.
FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)People are looking for reality. They don't want to hear about Paul's lawless utopia where it's kill or be killed.
sellitman
(11,606 posts)I think that is where Obama puts distance between him and any of the Cons that are unlucky enough to grab the GOP mantle.
zbdent
(35,392 posts)but I live in a world where we don't make our own reality ...
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)it frightens me that Ayn Rand's Libertarian Nightmare Party seems to be making inroads into american politics.I've seen no other country where Rand's insane mutterings are taken seriously but here they are gaining popularity,especially among the young.I fear this country will eventually fall for one of these clowns.
MarkCharles
(2,261 posts)seeing what a bunch candidates for clown college all those Republicans are.
Whoever "wins" is only popular with 1/3 of the people at the caucuses, and only 1/3 of Republicans ever go to these events!!!!
EVEN If a "winner" gets 1/3 of the votes, from 1/3 of the Republicans, that's 1/9th of all Republicans supporting one person.
These caucuses are a meaningless fiction propagated by the television networks to keep us under-informed and entertained.
surfdog
(624 posts)It's a good thing for Pres. Obama , this will assure that the primaries drag on a little longer than they would have if Romney had won
KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)First about the Iowa Clown Car Demolition Derby. This isn't the entire state...it's a minority. Remember, the last rushpublican to win Iowa was Raygun in '84. Even moreso, this is a universe of active rushpublicans...those with some kind of agenda that sees all the media activity as a chance to make noise and get noticed.
The state and caucus process is also one where organizations matter the most. Since you need to get your supporters in one place at one time, those who have the ground troops will always do better than those who rely on winning "over the air" with teevee ads. Polls mean little when many who are contacted either don't go to the caucus or can show up and decide at the last moment. If anything, when it looks like your candidate is doing poorly, many causes give you the chance to switch to another candidate before the votes are finally tallied. This is where organization is really critical as those with the strongest supporters will always attract the stragglers.
Overall, a Paul win or Rectorum or Trix Rabbit means little to this President. The Paulbots will make noise and win delegates to the convention and be a bigger threat to a Mittens or any other "frontrunner". The fun begins when they realize their candidate won't get much more than a speaking slot at the convention and lets see how many run to Gary Johnson or try to get Paul to run third party. Now, if that happens, it'll help President Obama...but that's months away from happening. In the meantime the demolition derby will go on...
ecstatic
(32,685 posts)Grumpy, snapping, cranky and old. But then you have young celebrities like Kelly Clarkson who are so enamored with Paul... so it's hard to say.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)they will never nominate him.
deacon
(5,967 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)and anything that pushes Paul in that direction is a good thing.
He isn't a serious candidate but some wing nuts think he is.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)sellitman
(11,606 posts)A third Party run would be sweet.
napoleon_in_rags
(3,991 posts)LOL. I'm not scared of RP or any outsiders, right or left. What scares me is the insiders, what scares me is what people are trying to accept as normal. America is at a WWII level of debt, engaged in the longest war in its history, and a major part of that was a war that killed hundreds of thousands over WMDs that did not exist.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Renew Deal
(81,855 posts)If you look at the list of republican Iowa winners you'll find few nominees let alone presidents.
I think Ron Paul can only disappoint.