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Mon Mar 19, 2018, 10:18 AM

Franklin Delano Roosevelt might have had a crystal ball



How did he know?

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Reply Franklin Delano Roosevelt might have had a crystal ball (Original post)
FakeNoose Mar 2018 OP
hueymahl Mar 2018 #1
Boomerproud Mar 2018 #2
erronis Mar 2018 #9
Boomerproud Mar 2018 #20
erronis Mar 2018 #21
gabeana Mar 2018 #13
mopinko Mar 2018 #3
Wounded Bear Mar 2018 #4
FakeNoose Mar 2018 #6
Wounded Bear Mar 2018 #7
catrose Mar 2018 #5
RobertDevereaux Mar 2018 #8
erronis Mar 2018 #10
Bleacher Creature Mar 2018 #11
sweetroxie Mar 2018 #12
murielm99 Mar 2018 #14
blue-wave Mar 2018 #15
Ligyron Mar 2018 #18
True Blue American Mar 2018 #19
bucolic_frolic Mar 2018 #16
liberalhistorian Mar 2018 #17

Response to FakeNoose (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 10:23 AM

1. Such a great leader

I hope we as a party can continue to uphold his ideals.

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Response to FakeNoose (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 10:27 AM

2. He was the target of such men and Gen. Smedley Butler

Saved this country from a coup. Roosevelt was considered a traitor to his class.

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Response to Boomerproud (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:52 AM

9. Just wanted to clarify that Gen. Smedley Butler was not part of "such men".

He was supposedly brought into a plot to overthrow the government but he instead revealed it. The committee that was set up to hear his secret testimony was similar to the McCarthy commie hunts - predecessors of dump's attack on the FBI and gov't.

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Response to erronis (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 02:06 PM

20. I said in my post that Gen. Butler saved this country.

N/t.

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Response to Boomerproud (Reply #20)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 02:16 PM

21. I was clarifying your title: "He was the target of such men and Gen. Smedley Butler"

If you had written it as "He and Gen Smedley Butler were the target of such men" it would have meant what you were implying.

Otherwise "such men and Gen. Smedley Butler" are considered a noun phrase and are taken together. (Jeez, it's been 60+ years and I [think] I remember things like "noun phrases".)

Anyway, points taken and agreed upon. (win-win)

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Response to Boomerproud (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 12:05 PM

13. Smedley Butler

brought the information of the coup to Roosevelt

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Response to FakeNoose (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 10:27 AM

3. cuz it has ever been thus.

since the beginning of time, there have always been pigs and scammers.

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Response to FakeNoose (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:17 AM

4. He watched Europe melt down and turn Fascist during the Great Depression...

What is happening now in the US happened in Italy, Spain, Germany and all over the Baltics back in the 30/40's.

One could argue (and some have) that Roosevelt saved American capitalism from Fascism back then.

This is just the next round. Russia has already fallen, Eastern Europe is in danger again. We're there again.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:25 AM

6. It was fear of communism that drove the fascist movement in the 1930's

...and I think that same fear was growing here in the US during that time.

But we can't say that TODAY. Something else is fueling this conservative cycle, I believe it's a different kind of fear. And yes certainly, a few greedy, extremely wealthy people are taking advantage of it, and "feathering their nests."

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:40 AM

7. Here and now, it is fear of existence...

Conservatives know that the demographic clock is ticking. The country is getting less white and less Christian. The Repub base is melting away.

They are fighting to retain power as a minority ruling class. Unfortunately, there are millions out there that hear that and react with fear and anger.

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Response to FakeNoose (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:24 AM

5. These were the people he dealt with every day

And he won--4 terms and the establishment of many progressive programs, many of those still in operation today.

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Response to FakeNoose (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:48 AM

8. And thank God for Eleanor...

...who coaxed FDR even further in progressive directions.

An extraordinary woman and our finest First lady!

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Response to RobertDevereaux (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:55 AM

10. Brava! And she stood by her husband and supported him even with all the pressures

on both of them.

I can think of a couple of other strong Democratic women (well more than a couple) who have been strong and persevered even in the face of vile/bile-spouting politicians and "news" media. I hope we can honor all of them.

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Response to FakeNoose (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:57 AM

11. Great quote, but definitely not indicative of a crystal ball.

This stuff has been going on all through human history. It's far from new.

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Response to FakeNoose (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:58 AM

12. He was just a good reader of human nature.nt

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Response to FakeNoose (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 12:35 PM

14. FDR knew this because they were his class.

He grew up with these people.

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Response to FakeNoose (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 12:36 PM

15. K&R

Let's not forget that these selfish men tried to overthrow Roosevelt in a coup, either making him a puppet or removing him completely from office.
http://www.eclectica.org/v1n1/reviews/wharton_plot.html


Roosevelt knew about these men because he was surrounded by them his whole life. He grew up in privilege, but thank God he was able to see through those who wanted America only for themselves. Roosevelt saved America and he saved, although those selfish men then and today won't admit, capitalism from itself.

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Response to blue-wave (Reply #15)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 12:57 PM

18. Where are such members of the 1% in this day and age?

Ones with a conscience?

Few and far between nowadays...

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Response to FakeNoose (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 12:46 PM

16. He knew because he went to school with them

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Response to FakeNoose (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2018, 12:49 PM

17. He knew the truth of this better even than

most average Americans because he grew up with, and was in the same class as, the very people who would gladly do this. He knew their bottomless selfishness and greed and that they didn't care about the effects on millions of Americans, and the country as a whole, as long as it benefitted them. Many members of his own family, especially on his mother's side, fit this description. Hence the title of a famous biography of him, "Traitor to his Class".

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