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Renew Deal

(81,802 posts)
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 12:23 AM Mar 2018

Firing McCabe would be unfathomable cruelty which could have major blowback

I think people underestimate the amount of blowback and hostility that would be generated by firing McCabe. I'm pretty sure that ordinary people would see it as unimaginable cruelty. It would be portrayed (rightly) as the rich and powerful guy screwing the working man out of his pension. Don't underestimate the reaction to such a mean spirited move.

I also wonder what kind of unintended consequences it could unleash from the FBI.

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Firing McCabe would be unfathomable cruelty which could have major blowback (Original Post) Renew Deal Mar 2018 OP
Anyone in the FBI... SHRED Mar 2018 #1
The FBI has been Republican throughout its history. shanny Mar 2018 #7
If you grew up in the 1960s, it does feel surreal. But right is right and wrong is wrong... Hekate Mar 2018 #12
x1000!! peggysue2 Mar 2018 #32
Even if they only go after THIS republican administration leftynyc Mar 2018 #35
Firing McCabe and stripping him of a pension would be vintage Trumpy. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2018 #2
Expect this to happen. democratisphere Mar 2018 #3
If I understand correctly, it's up to Rosenstein marylandblue Mar 2018 #4
I think its up to Sessions, unfortunately. regnaD kciN Mar 2018 #6
McCabe met with Rosenstein today marylandblue Mar 2018 #8
He did, but this is ultimately Sessions decision. herding cats Mar 2018 #13
Isn't Sessions recused? This is a continuance of the Russian probe. The Wielding Truth Mar 2018 #30
Yes, just like with the Muslim ban dawg day Mar 2018 #11
It may be the best thing to ever happen to McCabe EffieBlack Mar 2018 #45
Trump's gloating tweet tonight is going to be evidence in a lawsuit, I bet. nt tblue37 Mar 2018 #62
"Unfathomable cruelty"... regnaD kciN Mar 2018 #5
Yes it is. MontanaMama Mar 2018 #19
stealing his pension is creepy but In private practice he will make an extra 15 million Cicada Mar 2018 #9
First, that is not the point. Second, none of what you said about his future is a given... Hekate Mar 2018 #15
No, he won't. He has criminal prosecution expertise. No private law firm does that. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #17
Rudy Giuliani left govt for case and white, $1.7 mill per partner income Cicada Mar 2018 #40
Rudy is a soulless corrupt fuck. I don't think McCabe wants to sell his soul. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #59
I dont agree that being a partner in such firms requires selling your soul Cicada Mar 2018 #60
I have yet to meet a partner in such a firm who hasn't sold their soul. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #65
yup Skittles Mar 2018 #18
I think Mueller would react to that. hvn_nbr_2 Mar 2018 #10
Cruelty Nasruddin Mar 2018 #14
cruelty is SOP for repukes Skittles Mar 2018 #16
I thought I heard yesterday that the IG's report will first go to a review group who decide what OnDoutside Mar 2018 #20
They had, what, decades to fire him, but waited until his last 3 months? lindysalsagal Mar 2018 #21
The WSJ claims the FBI itself recommends firing McCabe. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2018 #22
No, his wife ran as a Democrat and took money from a Hillary pack...that is the issue... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #24
Ok, I was just wondering if anyone could shed some light on it. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2018 #27
McCabe wiki says that he Informed them at the time grantcart Mar 2018 #29
I know but this is Trump...and McCabe voted for no one last election...which further infuriates Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #31
It is bullshit...this is completely not how the FBI operates...so please stop. It won't work GOP. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #25
I need a solid rebuttal to this editorial. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2018 #28
Solid how? It is clearly Trump...anyone who has experience with the government knows it doesn't work Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #33
You 'need' I see...well I suggest google. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #34
Yeah, thanks. I have. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2018 #41
No, I think the hostility is due to your minimizing and dismissal of valid responses. LanternWaste Mar 2018 #52
I havent gotten any concrete responses. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2018 #53
I agree...it makes me sick...and more importantly my GOP brother is upset by this... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #23
More reason why Trump would do it. no_hypocrisy Mar 2018 #26
Go for it Dump, even rethugs will find this distasteful njhoneybadger Mar 2018 #36
The blowback to this action . . . peggysue2 Mar 2018 #37
Don can't possibly be that stupid to have McCabe fired causing a loss of pension. Vinca Mar 2018 #38
On morning Joe right now they are talking about a physical threat from Dumps team on Stormy njhoneybadger Mar 2018 #39
great theatre for gop town halls dembotoz Mar 2018 #42
Unfathomable cruelty is why he was elected. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #43
He's not exactly a "working man" MichMary Mar 2018 #44
One thats worked for 18 years in public service under a lower salary with the promise of retirement Renew Deal Mar 2018 #47
Meter maids MichMary Mar 2018 #48
They can if they attain the education and skills required to become an FBI Director Renew Deal Mar 2018 #49
I was a Civil Service employee MichMary Mar 2018 #50
I'm not sure why you think it's a "sweet deal" Renew Deal Mar 2018 #55
18 years in the position, 49 years old, and can retire MichMary Mar 2018 #56
He could have made more in the private sector Renew Deal Mar 2018 #57
Because, for example, I have a "sweet deal" compared to the average working joe/jane Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #64
You got what you wanted Renew Deal Mar 2018 #58
This isn't something I wanted MichMary Mar 2018 #66
I think it is bad for government service. alarimer Mar 2018 #46
His pension is estimated to be $55,000 per year before taxes and health insurance deductions wishstar Mar 2018 #51
Trump is a small and petty man Gothmog Mar 2018 #54
It goes to obstruction and witness tampering, I think. McCabe thinks so, too. nt tblue37 Mar 2018 #61
I honestly think some folks do not care anymore. susanna Mar 2018 #63
The FBI peeps were already pissed about Comey getting the boot. oasis Mar 2018 #67
 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
7. The FBI has been Republican throughout its history.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 12:45 AM
Mar 2018

There's never even been a Democratic Director (and why is that, exactly, one wonders). I doubt if even tRump could have changed the culture that fast.
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otoh maybe he could


Seriously though, seeing Democrats as the defenders of the CIA and the FBI and intelligence agencies in general is a little surreal.

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
12. If you grew up in the 1960s, it does feel surreal. But right is right and wrong is wrong...
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:10 AM
Mar 2018

...and what Trump is doing is howlingly wrong.

peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
32. x1000!!
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 07:19 AM
Mar 2018

Yes, it is wa-a-ay into ironyville that the Boomers, the generation that pushed back against authority figures--The Man, Law Enforcement, the Military--is now standing shoulder-to-shoulder with those organizations to save the Republic.

But as you said: right is right, wrong is wrong. Trump and his odious acolytes are toxic, reprehensible, treasonous.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
35. Even if they only go after THIS republican administration
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 07:25 AM
Mar 2018

it could really unleash some nasty stuff. They have access to "fbi files", those juicy bits of personal, business and professional acts that can embarrass people. I wouldn't be surprised to see some "leaks" about this administration start making their way into the public eye.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,410 posts)
2. Firing McCabe and stripping him of a pension would be vintage Trumpy.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 12:29 AM
Mar 2018

It really does fit with everything we've seen and heard about him. One of the obsessions he has during his long fidgety nights is to plot ways of exacting revenge on those who displease him. McCabe's in his sights and he will believe it to be a sign of weakness if he doesn't destroy McCabe. Trumpy must have a steady diet of this kind of "cleansing." Look for more. There will always be more, just as there will always be suckers who think they'll be able to extract from Trumpy more than he'll extract from them.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
4. If I understand correctly, it's up to Rosenstein
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 12:42 AM
Mar 2018

And if so, he won't do it, because McCabe could sue for retaliation based solely on Trump's public statements, let alone what he probably said in private.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
8. McCabe met with Rosenstein today
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 01:02 AM
Mar 2018

So that makes me think Sessions is not involved because McCabe is a witness for Mueller.

herding cats

(19,549 posts)
13. He did, but this is ultimately Sessions decision.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:18 AM
Mar 2018

That’s what everything I’ve read today has said, at least.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
11. Yes, just like with the Muslim ban
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 01:26 AM
Mar 2018

Trump's nasty tweets will be used against him. McCabe would be able quickly to prove malice, and in fact, Trump a few months ago even tweeted about McCabe's plan to retire.
Anyway, anyone who fires someone a few days before retirement is clearly malicious.
But Trump's minions are already in force-- "Well, he SHOULD be fired!"

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
45. It may be the best thing to ever happen to McCabe
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 09:34 AM
Mar 2018

He would certainly be a very wealthy man after he and his lawyers gets through with them ...

*That’s a joke ... I wouldn’t wish this on anyone. But at least he could have the last laugh in the end.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
9. stealing his pension is creepy but In private practice he will make an extra 15 million
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 01:21 AM
Mar 2018

He is 49 or 50. His forced exit will probably be followed by partnership in a top firm. He will probably make an extra 15 million or so before he turns 65. So stealing his 1.8 million pension is typical Trump cruelty but we need not worry about Mr McCabe’s finances.

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
15. First, that is not the point. Second, none of what you said about his future is a given...
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:40 AM
Mar 2018

If Trump gets away with this, it is one more rip in the fabric of the Civil Service and in the idea of a career in government service. These are the people who hold the institutional memory; these are the people who actually believe they are serving their country. In some career categories, they actually put their lives on the line.

Remember when Dick Cheney outed Valerie Plame? This is in the same category of heinous betrayal.

I'm old enough that I have had my issues with the sometimes-behavior of the FBI, CIA, US military, and so on. But while I profoundly believe in oversight, while I believe there is great room for improvement, I never doubt the necessity for these agencies nor do I doubt the sense of service most of their personnel have. You don't go into it for the money.



SunSeeker

(51,377 posts)
17. No, he won't. He has criminal prosecution expertise. No private law firm does that.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 03:06 AM
Mar 2018

His only option for making good money (but nothing like $15M, more like $200k to $400k/year) is to become a white collar criminal defense attorney. I don't see him wanting to do that. He'd see that as going to the dark side. He's been a prosecutor his entire 20-year career.

However, maybe he could get a job with a state Attorney General office. That pays only about $75k to $150k/ year.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
40. Rudy Giuliani left govt for case and white, $1.7 mill per partner income
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 07:48 AM
Mar 2018

Rudy left and became a partner at a firm where profit per partner is now 1.7 million per year. Mary Jo White works as a partner for a firm where per partner profit is more than 2 million per year. 40 US firms have profits per partner over 1.5 million per year. In my thirties my girl friend also in her thirties made between one and three million per year in Los Angeles. I think the prestige of a guy at the deep throat level of the FBI (Felt was also #2) should be worth a lot to a firm. His net worth is already 11 million I read, so it is creepy that Trump may steal his 1.8 million present value pension but I am relieved that this is not a major issue for him, financially. His wife is a doctor who probably makes several hundred thousand per year. Look, I don’t condone Trump’s cruelty, but I was relieved to find out the damage is not grave. I am just trying to lessen the pain of those worried for him, as I was before I thought it through.

SunSeeker

(51,377 posts)
59. Rudy is a soulless corrupt fuck. I don't think McCabe wants to sell his soul.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 10:51 PM
Mar 2018

Otherwise, he would not have fought for his pension.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
60. I dont agree that being a partner in such firms requires selling your soul
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 01:49 AM
Mar 2018

Though I certainly agree Rudy is reptilian. Maybe that is unfair to reptiles. Mary Jo White represented a journalist sued by Trump because the reporter said Trump lied. There is a wonderful 170 page transcript of a deposition in which Trump was forced to face many many many off his lies, based on his own documents contrasted with his dishonest statements. But maybe I am naive. Maybe working for such firms is immoral. I chose to bail out after only a couple years as a mere associate so I am not an expert. And my girlfriend who persisted was in fact kind of creepy.

SunSeeker

(51,377 posts)
65. I have yet to meet a partner in such a firm who hasn't sold their soul.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 03:18 AM
Mar 2018

You weren't money-focused enough to stay. Billing 2500 hours a year in a corporate firm is really hard if you have a soul.

hvn_nbr_2

(6,481 posts)
10. I think Mueller would react to that.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 01:24 AM
Mar 2018

We might not see it publicly for awhile, but that would be a direct attack on the institutions that Mueller reveres. Mueller would definitely react.

Nasruddin

(741 posts)
14. Cruelty
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 02:33 AM
Mar 2018

"I'm pretty sure that ordinary people would see it as unimaginable cruelty."

I don't think so. Maybe if you emphasized his law enforcement career.

There are a lot of people who bitterly resent government workers receiving any benefits, and pensions make them hyperbolic. You'll get remarks like, "It's a good start!".

OnDoutside

(19,908 posts)
20. I thought I heard yesterday that the IG's report will first go to a review group who decide what
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 05:38 AM
Mar 2018

happens next, before it would go to Sessions ?

lindysalsagal

(20,444 posts)
21. They had, what, decades to fire him, but waited until his last 3 months?
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 05:59 AM
Mar 2018

Sure. Go ahead with future hirings after that. See what kind of applicants you get.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,461 posts)
22. The WSJ claims the FBI itself recommends firing McCabe.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 06:37 AM
Mar 2018

For authorizing the disclosure of financial information to the press during an investigation of the Clinton Foundation and then lying about it to the IG.

It was on their editorial page yesterday. I don’t know if it’s ok to link it here so I’m not. But I’d like to know if anyone can knock down this spin or if there’s any validity to it.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
24. No, his wife ran as a Democrat and took money from a Hillary pack...that is the issue...
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 06:52 AM
Mar 2018

Trump is a cruel SOB and this is something ordinary folks will understand. Fuck Trump and I hope McCabe doesn't lose his pension...the jerks in the White House are trying to get us pile on by pretending it is about Hillary...it is not.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,461 posts)
27. Ok, I was just wondering if anyone could shed some light on it.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 06:59 AM
Mar 2018

I need some ammo to shoot down the Тяцмр humpers.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
29. McCabe wiki says that he Informed them at the time
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 07:05 AM
Mar 2018

And that he followed procedure to clear conflict of interest. (On phone can't link)

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
31. I know but this is Trump...and McCabe voted for no one last election...which further infuriates
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 07:17 AM
Mar 2018

Trump is Potter in 'Its a wonderful life' only not as smart.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
25. It is bullshit...this is completely not how the FBI operates...so please stop. It won't work GOP.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 06:54 AM
Mar 2018

This is classic asshole Trumpie. Trump we are going to say soon...'your fired'...take your orange ass home or better yet to prison. You will die in prison I hear...Trump.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
33. Solid how? It is clearly Trump...anyone who has experience with the government knows it doesn't work
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 07:21 AM
Mar 2018

this way. We won't gang up on McCabe...and using Hillary in order to bait us won't work and is to clever by half. What 'they' are doing is bullshit and unlike Russiagate, ordinary people get going after a person's pension and it shows what an mean spiteful person Trump is...not good for this loser who bleeds supporters on a daily basis.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,461 posts)
41. Yeah, thanks. I have.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 09:05 AM
Mar 2018

Nothing really debunks the story. The Washington Post seems to legitimize it. The FBI office of professional responsibility recommends firing McCabe. I was hoping someone could help me argue the point beyond the he said/she said aspect but instead there’s just a lot of hostility for simply asking.


 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
52. No, I think the hostility is due to your minimizing and dismissal of valid responses.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 11:58 AM
Mar 2018

"but instead there’s just a lot of hostility for simply asking. .."

No, I think the hostility is due to your minimizing and dismissal of valid responses.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,461 posts)
53. I havent gotten any concrete responses.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 12:09 PM
Mar 2018

Just some variations of “it’s obvious that Тяцмр is simply being a vindictive asshole.”

Of course he is, I know that, you know that. But that’s not going to fly in a debate with the opposition. Did McCabe lie to these people or not? Are these allegations plausible?

There are some people on this site who are really good at making the arguments based on facts and are able to cite where those facts come from. I was merely looking for help. Everything I turn up makes it seem as if there actually is a case to fire the guy.

There’s no need to be hostile about it. We’re on the same side.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
23. I agree...it makes me sick...and more importantly my GOP brother is upset by this...
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 06:50 AM
Mar 2018

I don't know if he voted Trump in 16, we don't usually discuss it, but he is disgusted now.

no_hypocrisy

(45,774 posts)
26. More reason why Trump would do it.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 06:57 AM
Mar 2018

He is a nihilist at heart. He tears down versus building and strengthening. His DNA.

njhoneybadger

(3,910 posts)
36. Go for it Dump, even rethugs will find this distasteful
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 07:28 AM
Mar 2018

Last edited Fri Mar 16, 2018, 08:53 AM - Edit history (1)

Uncle Fester's daughter referred to Putin as a bad actor and then put McCabe in the same
Category calling him a "bad actor"
A more offensive remark I cannot recall!

peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
37. The blowback to this action . . .
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 07:29 AM
Mar 2018

could be significant, ramping up unintended consequences. Trump will reap the whirlwind for his vindictiveness. One thing Americans understand is fairness/unfairness in the work place, being cheated by the boss on paychecks, tips, sick pay, overtime, pensions, etc..

If Trump follows through, he will be very sorry for his spiteful short-sightedness.

Vinca

(50,170 posts)
38. Don can't possibly be that stupid to have McCabe fired causing a loss of pension.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 07:30 AM
Mar 2018

That would unleash "fire and fury like the world has never seen" from the FBI. Every crime from pocketing a Tootsie Roll at age 5 to treason would then be uncovered by the FBI and their cohorts at other law enforcement agencies nationwide.

njhoneybadger

(3,910 posts)
39. On morning Joe right now they are talking about a physical threat from Dumps team on Stormy
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 07:42 AM
Mar 2018

Holy shit
Freaking gangsters

dembotoz

(16,739 posts)
42. great theatre for gop town halls
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 09:21 AM
Mar 2018

round here mostly attended by seniors....it is just who shows up...

point at the congressman an say...this bastard took away mc cabes pension with nary a tear....
how much should you trust him with your social security and medicare.....

great fun

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
43. Unfathomable cruelty is why he was elected.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 09:27 AM
Mar 2018

Most people don’t know or don’t care about McCabe either.

I don’t think it’s possible for Trump to act shamelessly enough to wake up his supporters.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
44. He's not exactly a "working man"
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 09:31 AM
Mar 2018

He is 49 years old and can retire with a $1.8M pension after only 18 years. What working person can relate to that?

Renew Deal

(81,802 posts)
47. One thats worked for 18 years in public service under a lower salary with the promise of retirement
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 10:01 AM
Mar 2018

It’s the civil service model that many choose. Doesn’t matter if you’re a meter maid or an FBI Director.

Renew Deal

(81,802 posts)
49. They can if they attain the education and skills required to become an FBI Director
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 10:15 AM
Mar 2018

Do you know what the civil service pay model is and how it works? Can you name three jobs that it applies to? I'm happy to teach you if necessary.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
50. I was a Civil Service employee
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 10:23 AM
Mar 2018

over 40 years ago at our county Dept. of Social Services, and I remember that it was virtually impossible to fire a CS employee. You had to do something pretty extreme.

I also know what it's like to work in the private sector and be subject to employment-at-will, to be in a non-union position and have seniority rendered meaningless when it comes to downsizing, and to have pension plans disappear and be replaced by 401k plans. Dh's promised retiree insurance went poof one year, shortly before he retired.

I stand by my original comment that most people can't relate to the sweet deal McCabe seems to have had.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
56. 18 years in the position, 49 years old, and can retire
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 08:51 PM
Mar 2018

with a $1.8M pension. That's NOT a sweet deal?!?

Renew Deal

(81,802 posts)
57. He could have made more in the private sector
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 08:58 PM
Mar 2018

It's the same deal the military, police officers, and many others make.

How much is he getting annually? How much is salary and how much is benefits?

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
64. Because, for example, I have a "sweet deal" compared to the average working joe/jane
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 02:43 AM
Mar 2018

I will retire at age 72 with a defined benefit plan of around $46,000 after 30 years of public service. Most people these days have almost nothing saved, and nothing more than social security as retirement income.

Millions is beyond sweet.

You are correct that he might have been able to make more in the private secretary - but even his civil service income is well beyond an income level most Trump supporters can imagine. I don't think they will be inclined to feel too sorry for him.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
66. This isn't something I wanted
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 06:11 AM
Mar 2018

I just disagreed that there would be the backlash you seem to think there will be. McCabe is only 49. He can still put in 20 years elsewhere and retire at an age most of us think is reasonable.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
46. I think it is bad for government service.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 09:36 AM
Mar 2018

Between this and the whole State Department thing. Government is supposed to be staffed by professionals who are experts in their fields. Now, I know that McCabe is a political appointee right now, but firing him and taking away his pension that he earned by being a professional will have a chilling affect at all levels.

This and the political witch hunt at State will destroy the Civil Service system and return us to the bad old days of cronyism. Say what you will about government employees, but this current system is a whole lot better than the old one.

wishstar

(5,267 posts)
51. His pension is estimated to be $55,000 per year before taxes and health insurance deductions
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 10:58 AM
Mar 2018

Some posters seem to think he was set to receive over a million per year. His current salary has been just over $160,000 per year.

People in law enforcement careers both federally and in state and local jobs are usually able to retire after 20 years unlike the rest of us.

From everything I have read, Andrew McCabe just happened to have misfortune of being in position as Comey's assistant where he ended up in crosshairs as convenient target of a Trumpian politically motivated rightwing scheme for a fall guy to be attacked in order to discredit the FBI and the Mueller probe.

Very demoralizing for civil servants and definitely a disincentive for anyone to accept a higher management post offered by a political appointment when taking a leadership position can destroy a lengthy career and take away an expected pension.

susanna

(5,231 posts)
63. I honestly think some folks do not care anymore.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 02:21 AM
Mar 2018

Anyone - ANYONE - in the real world who can't see the flagrant obstruction of justice that this (cough) administration engages in, constantly, is just hell-bent on drinking the koolaid and ignoring reality.

Deplorable seems kind in retrospect.

oasis

(49,152 posts)
67. The FBI peeps were already pissed about Comey getting the boot.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 06:44 AM
Mar 2018

With this move on McCabe, Trump has really rocked the hornet's nest.

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