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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo you know what to do if someone cardiac arrests in front of you?
Pass it on. Step by step instructions here: http://www.heartrescuenow.com/
alfredo
(60,078 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Everyone in my family died this way and I will too, so I'm ready to render assistance to them and also know what to do for me.
Alfredo:
Cerridwen
(13,260 posts)I see you kicking someone when they are not only down but dying. Could you please explain the humor in doing what you described? Could you perhaps explain why it is that treating people as a punchline is funny...beyond the peasants insurance angle of it?
Thank you.
alfredo
(60,078 posts)also something called black humor or gallows humor. The comic strip Raw Meat is a good example of black humor. The greatest humor comes from tragedy.
Examples
All extremists should be taken out and shot.
Join the Army! Travel to exotic, distant lands. Meet exciting, unusual people, and kill them.
from "Full Metal Jacket"
sammytko
(2,480 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)But that was in the late-1970s so a refresher is due.
Thanks for the link. I'll "attend class" later this weekend.
An afterthought: The opening scene, showing a body lying on the floor of the mall with people passing by, reminds me of a movie I saw recently on DVD. I believe it was a futuristic society (2030s?) when folks would die in public and other folks just passed by. I forgot the title...
radhika
(1,008 posts)rustydog
(9,186 posts)but in 1979 or 80 the Admin decided we didn't need orderlies and canned them. About 6 months later we hired Transport techs!
KansDem
(28,498 posts)Same job, different name?
I was an orderly in an x-ray department for three years. Worked days the first two years and evenings the third. As a day orderly, I assisted with special procedures (arteriograms, angiograms, etc): transported patients to and from their rooms, developed the films, assisted the radiologist, nurse, and techs when needed.
When I went to evenings, I usually transported patients to and from the emergency room in addition to house patients who needed routine chest x-rays for the next day's procedure, and developed films. Also billing and other clerical work.
I learned a lot during the years, about the medical profession and life, in general.
I learned that doctors ran the gamut in competence and ability. There were some truly dedicated: they would be there at 7am and 11pm the same day. And there were some I wouldn't trust with my dog! Real eye-openers! The rest in the middle formed the typical bell-curve. But it was a great experience and education.
Working with the emergency room, I learned a few basic lessons in life:
1) You don't drink a 6-pack of beer and then go for a motorcycle ride;
2) You don't mess around with home-made bombs;
3) You don't swerve into on-coming traffic to avoid hitting a small rodent;
4) You can exit this life at any time with no warning whatsoever.
Worked with some great folks, too!
lunatica
(53,410 posts)This is actually a thing that should be done. The aspirin part.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I guarantee somebody in cardiac arrest is neither conscious or can swallow
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Thanks! These are important things to know
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)Big difference. If someone has pain and is having a heart attack, then yes... give aspirin and call 911.
If they are in cardiac arrest, and the heart has stopped, you give CPR pronto!!! They don't suggest mouth to mouth anymore, you just keep the heart pumping until help can arrive.. usually with a defib that can restart it.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Roughly 1,000 people each day.
It's an electrical problem in the heart that happens suddenly, and the first warning sign is usually unconsciousness. Death follows in 5-10 minutes unless an AED is applied. It's often called a "massive heart attack" in the press, but a heart attack is a plumbing problem rather than an electrical problem, and typically starts with chest pain, etc.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I'm glad for the education
LisaL
(44,974 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)Thanks.
CurtEastPoint
(18,672 posts)handmade34
(22,759 posts)riverbendviewgal
(4,254 posts)I did pass it on.
MADem
(135,425 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)It also incorporated the new CPR icky free instructions protocols.
Fun fact, they removed the breathing part since stopping every fifteen compressions actually dropped Presure to zero, and you had to work to reestablish it.
Second fun fact, this was developed in Tucson and first deployed by Tucson EMS.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)what is that acronym stand for and where exactly are they available - just malls?
what country was this filmed in?
I was going to forward this to some people I know because the beginning looked very practical ... then the AED thing threw me off.
pasto76
(1,589 posts)in 2001 when I started my medic training, it was predicted by our instructor that AEDs will become commonplace, and eventually an organization or building management would be sued because they _didnt_ have AED available.
Most civil installations have them, look in your airports, city and county buildings. Malls should al have them. My university had them.
the AED is a very good tool to have in the hands of someone with actual experience. Don't get thrown though, CPR will work like it always has on its own.
1monster
(11,012 posts)proves:
Teamwork spares life of 68-year-old runner
During the running of this weeks Summer Shotgun Race hosted by the City of Palm Coast, Historic City News learned that five runners had to take a break from the competition after a fellow runner collapsed in cardiac arrest.
...
After the race began, these five runners were surprised when a 68-year-old man collapsed on the route. He was described as unconscious and unresponsive. The group immediately began CPR, trading off applications, until emergency medical services arrived.
The victim regained consciousness and was transported to Florida Hospital Flagler.
At the last report, he was expected to recover from the episode.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)Vast majority of people who go into cardiac arrest outside of the hospital are going to end up dead.
1monster
(11,012 posts)who is in cardiac arrest.
Will it work in every case? No. Of course not. But the chances it will work are far better than not doing the CPR, because without it, the person will not survive.
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LisaL
(44,974 posts)arrest happens outside the hospital. CPR does significantly improve chances of survival, but by no means guarantees it.
randome
(34,845 posts)Tasers can have the opposite effect, inducing arrhythmia which can lead to cardiac arrest. The actual voltage of a taser jolt is MUCH higher than from an AED. It would be extremely dangerous (possibly fatal) to use one on a cardiac-arrest patient.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)Sometimes TV can be helpful
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)There are some sensors on stickies that have to be deployed before the unit will operate and if it detects a heartbeat it won't work. At least that's what they told us in training.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)CPR, first aid, and AED training is offered free of charge for us once per year. Unfortunately most employees don't take advantage.
Sadly we had an 80 year old employee who died in his office chair, a coworker found him after several minutes had gone by. He called 911, but didn't tell anyone else so nobody knew about it till the ambulance arrived. I would have at least tried the AED and/or CPR had I found him.
1monster
(11,012 posts)grocery stores, etc.
I know I've seen at least two in some of the school I'm in.
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)...we have a division that makes them. These are wonderful devices, and they are all over these days - I'd love to have one in my car. The 1st 5 minutes are crucial - after that, the person has less and less of a chance of survival.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Yikes!
Actually, they won't deliver a shock if your not in cardiac arrrest.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)eilen
(4,950 posts)and tell someone to call 911.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)Patiod
(11,816 posts)My SO, Ralph, who learned CPR when he was in college, came upon a young woman having an MI on a busy street in Philadelphia. He gave her CPR while the cops in the area called an ambulance, cleared out the gawkers, and cleared the street. When EMR arrived, they had Ralph continue CPR while they got her ready to shock and move.
Long story, but because both he and the MI victim worked for the same organization (without knowing it), he was tracked down, recognized by the city and by the Red Cross (the victim was out of the hospital by that time, and gave him a bouquet of flowers)
The newer procedures are a lot easier than the old ones he used.
renate
(13,776 posts)Good for him!
It must be the most incredible feeling for him to know he's saved someone's life... and even more incredible for the woman to know her life was saved. That's fantastic!
Patiod
(11,816 posts)Before we moved, her mom used to call us every Thanksgiving (it happened two days before Thanksgiving).
He has occasionally interrupted a discussion or argument with "hello? anyone here save a life - raise your hand. No one else? I didn't think so" So there's that to deal with
Funny story - my best girlfriend is from Pittsburgh. She was home for Thanksgiving, and her little brother was telling the family about his friend Becky: "Hey, mom, you know your friend Marie? You remember she didn't want her daughter Becky moving to Philadelphia because she was sure Becky would get raped and murdered? Well it turns out Becky had a heart attack out on the street, and some total stranger gave her CPR and saved her life." My friend told her family "well actually, he might have been a stranger to Becky, but he's Patiod's boyfriend."
Small state, huh?
Zoigal
(1,488 posts)Both my husband and i have heart problems and would certainly
appreciate someone helping us if the need arises....the kids all work in offices where i seriously doubt if there is an AED..hopefully this will alert someone
to install one...should lower the insurance rates, too.....thanks imonster
1monster
(11,012 posts)than one person doing it, so they can trade off when one gets to tired.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)So naturally they downplay the old-fashioned CPR.
A training video with up-to-date CPR methods would probably be more useful but wouldn't swell any corporate coffers.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)IF AED is available, then obviously it should be used.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)barbtries
(28,816 posts)many years ago. i'm going through it in my mind before i click on the link. thank you for sharing
lastlib
(23,352 posts)A fairly recent change is the distance to compress: one-third of the thickness of the patient's body. This is appropriate for adults, younger children, and infants.
TahitiNut
(71,611 posts)Even better, have it ready on your iPod and keep beat to the music.
It wouldn't hurt to have TWO copies.
If you're caught with it, just look for someone in their 50s, wearing a polyester blend and listening to their iPod (or Walkman).
auntAgonist
(17,252 posts)It has just the right rhythm.
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TahitiNut
(71,611 posts)Woof! (Sirius is the dog star.)
((You probably thought it was Rin-Tin-Tin. Or Lassie.))
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)No warning. No previous history. He just collapsed. Luckily his friend and his friend's mother called 911 without delay. His friend applied CPR under the operator's instructions. He was also lucky that the house was within two blocks of a fire station (and the city hadn't laid off those firefighters).
They shocked him once and his heart went back into rhythm. The hospital gave him hypothermia therapy.
When he awoke, he couldn't remember anything for three days before the incident. So, he was right on edge of having his brain die. You have six minutes to get the heart restarted before brain damage starts to occur.
My nephew owes his life to his friend, is friend's mother, and of course, to the firefighters.
chowder66
(9,093 posts)Thank you!
OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)Depending on their affiliation...
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)is get help or call 911.
slampoet
(5,032 posts)1monster
(11,012 posts)out as nouns. And more than a few nouns that started out as verbs. And using "cardia arrests" as a verb has been quite common for some time now.
So, grammar police officer slampoet, it's time for you to get your certification updated. :p
slampoet
(5,032 posts)You are sad.
1monster
(11,012 posts)you. Now I see that your were serious. Perhaps you need to grow a bit of a thicker skin if you were insulted by that, because it was not my intention to insult you. (At least not before I read your reply.)
But truthfully, using nouns as verbs is something that we English speakers have been doing for many years in this country.
Examples: (I didn't make any of these sentences up.)
They railroaded the accused man.
I could never marry a man like Jim, who spends his life tomcatting around town.
We shoehorned in a version of the new software that the old computer could accept. (This one was in a
company's technical manual.)
And guess what? Sometimes in English, verbs are used as nouns, such as in, oh say, cardiac ARREST. Arrest is a verb.
Historic NY
(37,457 posts)spanone
(135,915 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)yes.