Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
70 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Chick-Fil-A’s Blinding Hypocrisy Revealed In One Simple Picture (Original Post) RockaFowler Jul 2012 OP
xtians whine so much about bacon, it makes me want to eat meat! gregoire Jul 2012 #1
What Christians whine about bacon? For that matter, what jews do? None of them, TheManInTheMac Jul 2012 #68
You know, I live in a town with 3 or 4 Chick-fil-A's and I didn't know they sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #2
Yeah - chicken for breakfast is a little strange RockaFowler Jul 2012 #3
So then the egg *does* come before the chicken? Duer 157099 Jul 2012 #59
LOL Catherine Vincent Jul 2012 #63
Can someone confirm if they do? gregoire Jul 2012 #5
From their website - it's true RockaFowler Jul 2012 #7
What kinds of xtians don't eat pork? cbayer Jul 2012 #8
I don't think Adventists eat pork mitchtv Jul 2012 #11
Some Adventists are strict vegetarians /nt demwing Jul 2012 #17
the one I knew was vegi but used eggs (homegrown) mitchtv Jul 2012 #22
I had a friend when I was in high school RebelOne Jul 2012 #54
Adventists do not eat pork. Most are very health japple Jul 2012 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author iamthebandfanman Jul 2012 #43
I think most Christians eat pork. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #50
That's why I love the Dr. Laura letter I posted above. cbayer Jul 2012 #53
Its not strange for southern Christians to eat pig. Go Vols Jul 2012 #9
All that Old Testament nonsense was out the window with the New Testament. xtraxritical Jul 2012 #42
...except the gay stuff Duer 157099 Jul 2012 #60
not really. d_r Jul 2012 #18
Can you expand upon that? EOTE Jul 2012 #21
I'm not much of a biblical scholar really d_r Jul 2012 #23
Apparently there was a big schism between James and Saul/Paul about that Tom Ripley Jul 2012 #29
Wait a second RockaFowler Jul 2012 #31
Allow Rabbi Lewis to explain it doohnibor Jul 2012 #52
The Ten Commandments are Old Testament, n'est ce pas? Arugula Latte Jul 2012 #35
I don't know what chapter/verse but Jesus said "it's not what goes into a man's mouth xtraxritical Jul 2012 #44
mark 7 18:20 nt arely staircase Jul 2012 #28
Here's what I've got: EOTE Jul 2012 #40
Jesus is a really snarky guy during most of his routines Tom Ripley Jul 2012 #62
his point is a arely staircase Jul 2012 #65
So why wasn't that the case before he made that statement? EOTE Jul 2012 #70
In Matthew (Ch 5?) he states that he did not come to do away with the law. mysuzuki2 Jul 2012 #34
Interesting. NT EOTE Jul 2012 #41
He said "I do not wish to do away with the law, rather fulfill it". xtraxritical Jul 2012 #46
the point is, there is a lot of stuff in Leviticus. Most of it makes little sense anymore. mysuzuki2 Jul 2012 #61
It seems strange? Can you tell me of one christian restaurant that DOESN'T serve pig? EOTE Jul 2012 #20
ive never met a christian that doesnt eat pig.. iamthebandfanman Jul 2012 #45
God hates figs. Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #49
Oh shit. Guess I'd better go chop all of mine down tonight. Do japple Jul 2012 #55
The vast majority of Christians worldwide most certainly eat pork Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #48
Breakfast is their big thing. Erose999 Jul 2012 #6
they do. barbtries Jul 2012 #13
Most/All Christians are hypocrites if you expect them to live by the word of the Bible. Go Vols Jul 2012 #4
written by the Levites-- one of the twelve Judaic tribes LanternWaste Jul 2012 #10
I'm confused RockaFowler Jul 2012 #14
It's not picking and choosing. The target of the laws are specified in Leviticus LanternWaste Jul 2012 #16
Of course they pick and choose. Have you seen the letter to Dr. Laura? cbayer Jul 2012 #19
I remember this. It's brilliant; very convenient to keep around. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #57
And funny to boot. cbayer Jul 2012 #58
Jews don't keep kosher for health reasons Mosby Jul 2012 #33
I agree Go Vols Jul 2012 #15
I didn't know this slutticus Jul 2012 #37
I believe Charles Mansons followers used to get stoned all the time. Blanks Jul 2012 #66
"The bible is a book with some beautiful poetry, a blood stained history, a wealth of obscenity and Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #12
Hee-hee KNR joeybee12 Jul 2012 #24
Two words: selective worship Initech Jul 2012 #25
Jews don't hold Sunday as their Sabbath HockeyMom Jul 2012 #26
"Jaysus died so ah could eat sausage!" They do like to play fast and loose with their crazy Tom Ripley Jul 2012 #27
"I have a right to defend myself. And to point out the hypocrisy of people who justify anti-gay Zorra Jul 2012 #30
Agree Zorra RockaFowler Jul 2012 #32
Is this where their spokeman's heart attack came from????? benld74 Jul 2012 #36
Who wants to guess that their uniform use blended materials.... LynneSin Jul 2012 #38
Not only that, they sell such clothing! 47of74 Jul 2012 #67
ROFLMAO SoapBox Jul 2012 #39
Now if only we could find iamthebandfanman Jul 2012 #47
What about the biblical principle, "Love thy neighbor as thyself?" begin_within Jul 2012 #56
Reminds me of this... Major Nikon Jul 2012 #64
Great book explaining pork prohibitions bongbong Jul 2012 #69
 

gregoire

(192 posts)
1. xtians whine so much about bacon, it makes me want to eat meat!
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:14 PM
Jul 2012

Seriously, when you're afraid of food, you need mental help.

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
59. So then the egg *does* come before the chicken?
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 08:28 PM
Jul 2012

I suspected so, but now it is confirmed. Eggs for breakfast, but not chicken.

Catherine Vincent

(34,491 posts)
63. LOL
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 11:44 PM
Jul 2012

"They have these chicken biscuit thingys, too"

This made me chuckle the way you described their breakfast sandwiches or should I say breakfast biscuits.

 

gregoire

(192 posts)
5. Can someone confirm if they do?
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:29 PM
Jul 2012

It seems a little strange for a xtian restaurant to serve pig. Maybe the ad is a fake?

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
8. What kinds of xtians don't eat pork?
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:36 PM
Jul 2012

I know lots of jews and muslims that don't, but christians?

That is completely new news to me.

mitchtv

(17,718 posts)
22. the one I knew was vegi but used eggs (homegrown)
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:03 PM
Jul 2012

she said not to feed babies eggs; 'eggs made them play with themselves'

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
54. I had a friend when I was in high school
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:39 PM
Jul 2012

who was a 7th Day Adventist that was a vegetarian. At that time, I could not understand why. But I am a vegetarian now, so I can understand why.

japple

(9,847 posts)
51. Adventists do not eat pork. Most are very health
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:10 PM
Jul 2012

conscious, and many are vegetarians. The Adventist hospital where I work does not serve pork in the cafeteria. They always have a vegetarian entree in addition to the fish, chicken or beef entree. They do, however, serve Chick Fil-A sandwiches from time-to-time in the cafeteria.

Response to cbayer (Reply #8)

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
50. I think most Christians eat pork.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:04 PM
Jul 2012

The hypocrisy comes in when they claim that every word of the Bible is revealed, literal truth, and that they follow it to the letter.

They just skip over that part about not eating pork or shellfish.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
9. Its not strange for southern Christians to eat pig.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:42 PM
Jul 2012

I grew up going to a Methodist church and ate pig many times in the "fellowship" hall connected to the church at "potluck" dinners the church put on.

Its been 30+ years since I have been,but they still do it.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
18. not really.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:57 PM
Jul 2012

It is really not at all strange for Christians to eat pork. What do you think bbq is made out of? That's why everyone has ham for Easter dinner, trying to make sure everyone knows they aren't Jewish celebrating passover. Jesus took away this old testament law. Jewish an Muslim folks don't eat pork; Christians tend to revel in it. Some "Christian" groups try to follow Jewish dietary laws, and Seventh Day Adventists move towards vegetarianism, because their founding prophet thought it was a healthier choice.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
21. Can you expand upon that?
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:02 PM
Jul 2012

You say that "Jesus took away this old testament law". I've heard that before, but never anything definitive. Did Jesus make the entirety of the old testament null and void or just certain parts of it?

d_r

(6,907 posts)
23. I'm not much of a biblical scholar really
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:13 PM
Jul 2012

but it has to do with "Covenants" or promised agreements between God and his followers. The laws of the old testament were the "old covenant." Jesus brought a "new covenant" between man and God. According to Christians, the sacrifice of Jesus earned this new agreement that took away the curse of original sin after the fall in the Garden of Eden. Jesus taught that all food was clean, among other things. The new commandment from Jesus was to love one's neighbor as one's self.

The old testament isn't "null and void" in that it is the history that leads up to the birth of Christ, the prophecy of Christ, it helps to understand the context of Christ. But the Jewish laws of the old testament are not binding to Christians who are bound to the new covenant and not the old.

 

Tom Ripley

(4,945 posts)
29. Apparently there was a big schism between James and Saul/Paul about that
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:26 PM
Jul 2012

Obviously, Paul The Accomodater won

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
31. Wait a second
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:30 PM
Jul 2012

Then why do they still chose the chapter and verse of Leviticus to denounce Homosexuality??

Golly - I don't understand this anymore. Look - we have one Bible in Judaism. You guys (Christians) took it and called it the "Old Testament". But in actuality it's still our Bible. We always knew they were a collection of stories meant to teach us a lesson and tell of tales of our fore-fathers.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
35. The Ten Commandments are Old Testament, n'est ce pas?
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:39 PM
Jul 2012

So why do all these Xtian Holy Rollers always spout off about them if they're not "binding"?

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
44. I don't know what chapter/verse but Jesus said "it's not what goes into a man's mouth
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:50 PM
Jul 2012

but what comes out of it that is unclean".

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
40. Here's what I've got:
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:35 PM
Jul 2012

18 “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

20 He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them.

That doesn't seem to me to make the Old Testament null and void to me. Rather, it just seems to contradict earlier portions of the bible. Why is it that those foods were not allowed in the first place? And why does Jesus need to use such snark when declaring foods clean when it was religious institutions that forbade them in the first place? It all seems very strange to me.

 

Tom Ripley

(4,945 posts)
62. Jesus is a really snarky guy during most of his routines
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 11:41 PM
Jul 2012

it's one of the main things I like about him

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
65. his point is a
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:58 AM
Jul 2012

simple one; how you treat people, how you interact with them and what you say is much more important than whether you are eating shellfish

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
70. So why wasn't that the case before he made that statement?
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 12:47 PM
Jul 2012

He makes the statement matter of factly. If this is the case, why was there ever a need for Leviticus in the first place?

mysuzuki2

(3,521 posts)
34. In Matthew (Ch 5?) he states that he did not come to do away with the law.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:35 PM
Jul 2012

most Xians ignotre that part.

mysuzuki2

(3,521 posts)
61. the point is, there is a lot of stuff in Leviticus. Most of it makes little sense anymore.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 11:38 PM
Jul 2012

So whether Jesus was kidding in Matthew and telling the truth in Mark or the other way around people have to decide. You either have to obey all of it - no cheeseburgers, shrimp cocktails or mixed fabrics in your clothes as well as no gay sex, or none of it is valid including the no gay sex part. Incidently, Leviticus does not mention lesbian sex. Hmmmm. Anyway, Jesus talked over and over about feeding the poor, clothing the naked, and healing the sick. He said nothing about gay sex. That tells me what was important in his teaching. Gay sex did not seem to be a big deal compared to that other stuff.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
20. It seems strange? Can you tell me of one christian restaurant that DOESN'T serve pig?
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:00 PM
Jul 2012

I haven't met a single christian who gives a damn about eating pork. Religion is like a buffet to them, they'll take the parts that affirm their beliefs and reject the others. I've also never met a christian who refuses to wear clothing made from more than one type of cloth or one who refuses to shave or one who refuses to eat shellfish for biblical reasons.

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
45. ive never met a christian that doesnt eat pig..
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:51 PM
Jul 2012

not because the bible told them not to, atleast..
christians only pick and choose what they want to believe in from the bible ..

i was shocked to find out people arent out right now hunting down all the fig trees and destroying them !
evil satanic fig trees!!!!

japple

(9,847 posts)
55. Oh shit. Guess I'd better go chop all of mine down tonight. Do
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:39 PM
Jul 2012

the rest of the people in the South know this? Almost everyone in my community (N. GA) has a fig tree!

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
48. The vast majority of Christians worldwide most certainly eat pork
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:56 PM
Jul 2012

and follow none of the dietary rules of the Bible. None. Vast majority. In fact, they tend to eat pork on Easter and other holidays some would say specifically because it is not kosher.

barbtries

(28,817 posts)
13. they do.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:49 PM
Jul 2012

until recently i ate breakfast there almost every work day. i miss it, but i can't give them another penny.
on the order of a mcdonald's breakfast but much better.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
4. Most/All Christians are hypocrites if you expect them to live by the word of the Bible.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:28 PM
Jul 2012

when was the last time you heard of a non virgin being stoned?

If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
10. written by the Levites-- one of the twelve Judaic tribes
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:44 PM
Jul 2012

Leviticus (as were Deuteronomy and Numbers, also) was written largely by and for the Levites-- one of the twelve Judaic tribes. The Levites were the priestly caste (at the time, a concomitant of law-givers & judges too). Half of the Book of Leviticus are rules specifically targeting the priestly caste only (most of the diestary restrictions fall within this demographic). Another quarter of the laws are specific to the tribe of Judea en-toto (criminal and civil laws, mainly), and only the final quarter specific for mankind as a whole (very general laws-- almost admonitions if read as such).

So unless one is aware of the specific target of any particular law (priest, tribe, or humanity), it's not really that accurate to say "most/all Christians are hypocrites because of A; if law A is merely targeting the tribe of Levites...

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
14. I'm confused
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:49 PM
Jul 2012

So Christians only pick and choose which laws they follow??

So what part of Leviticus do they follow?? They only cite the man cannot lay with another man BS. What about the Shellfish part - right after. Aren't they supposed to follow that as well?? Or just the ones that are convenient for them at this particular time??

I really want to know. Because as a Jew, we already know that these were laws that had to be followed at the time for health purposes. That's why I don't need to keep Kosher today. I don't need to - we have refrigeration . . .

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. It's not picking and choosing. The target of the laws are specified in Leviticus
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:55 PM
Jul 2012

It's not 'picking and choosing'. The target of the laws are specified in Leviticus. It's rather boring reading once you get into it-- much like reading a classical tome of laws (which it is, in fact). Lists of laws either pre- or-post qualified by the target of the law(s).

Commentary on the Old Testament by Gordon Wenham is a very helpful primer for a better understanding of it (it was for me anyways...)



On edit: because I didn't say this in my previous post and it may allow an additional perspective-- Leviticus is really, in and of itself, little more than a codified set of laws written by and for the tribe of Israel, with a few footnotes (or additional laws and codes, for all of humanity in general.).

Think of Hammurabi's code-- the majority of those laws were written specifically for other Babylonian citizens, but there were a number of codes set in that applied to anyone and everyone.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
19. Of course they pick and choose. Have you seen the letter to Dr. Laura?
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:59 PM
Jul 2012

Jews pick and choose, too. I have friends who keep very strict kosher, others who use a modified kosher diet and some don't follow it at all.


Letter to Dr. Laura:


Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1 . The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21 . In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted fan,
Jim

Mosby

(16,401 posts)
33. Jews don't keep kosher for health reasons
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:35 PM
Jul 2012

Christians believe that jesus "completed" the mitzvot so all that came after didn't have to.

Jews (in general) believe that the torah must be analyzed and interpreted, so different denominations have developed very different views, all depending on which experts they follow. Its a lot like the relationship between the american constitution and the scotus, the law of the land is based not necessarily on the actual words and meaning, but on what the scotus says it says.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
15. I agree
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:50 PM
Jul 2012

that is why I added "if you expect them to live by the word of the bible", as the OP claimed.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
66. I believe Charles Mansons followers used to get stoned all the time.
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 11:42 AM
Jul 2012

As did a lot of hippies. Although, it's possible that's not the kind of stoned that you're talking abou.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
12. "The bible is a book with some beautiful poetry, a blood stained history, a wealth of obscenity and
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:48 PM
Jul 2012

upwards of 10,000 lies." Mark Twain

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
26. Jews don't hold Sunday as their Sabbath
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:23 PM
Jul 2012

Yet, you make your employees stay home on Sundays which is only the CHRISTIAN Sabbath. I just read that Mayor Bloomberg said he would not prevent Chik-Fil-A from opening anywhere in the City. As a supposedly supporter of gay civil rights, and a JEW, can you say hypocrisy?

I do have faith in the people of Greenwich Village. They will close that store down by not patronizing it. The PEOPLE kept Walmart out, and they can do it too with Chik-Fil-A.

 

Tom Ripley

(4,945 posts)
27. "Jaysus died so ah could eat sausage!" They do like to play fast and loose with their crazy
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:23 PM
Jul 2012

collection of fairy tales

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
30. "I have a right to defend myself. And to point out the hypocrisy of people who justify anti-gay
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:27 PM
Jul 2012

bigotry by pointing to the Bible, and insisting we must live by the code of Leviticus on this one issue, and no other."
Dan Savage, 4/27/12

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
38. Who wants to guess that their uniform use blended materials....
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:54 PM
Jul 2012

'Keep my decrees. "'Do not mate different kinds of animals. "'Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. "'Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.

Leviticus 19:19

 

begin_within

(21,551 posts)
56. What about the biblical principle, "Love thy neighbor as thyself?"
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:41 PM
Jul 2012

And "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me?"

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
69. Great book explaining pork prohibitions
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 02:14 PM
Jul 2012

"Cows, Pigs, Wars And Witches" by Harris. Ex-head of Anthropology Dept. at Columbia.

Super interesting read, and explains a lot.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Chick-Fil-A’s Blinding Hy...