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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWonder why Wayne LaPierre wasn't in the Army during Vietnam?
We should restate it that he was rejected due to a mental issue.
BSdetect
(8,994 posts)Motley13
(3,867 posts)"We should restate it that he was rejected due to a mental issue."
that means he shouldn't have a gun
SWBTATTReg
(22,059 posts)Ha! He still looks like he has a nervous disorder. Lottery number of 97? Gee Whiz, I wonder how he ever got out of that, being such a low number.
I remember sitting around the TV and watching these drawings. Very scary for a lot of us and our childhood friends back then (for those not in the know, drafts weren't voluntary back then, only if you had a physical deferment or going to school/college, could you get a deferment.)
I guess that this guy and tRUMP must have been childhood friends?
klook
(12,151 posts)You beat me to it!
kairos12
(12,841 posts)maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Those of us who were genuinely against the war had no problems with so called "draft dodgers." It's when those same guys turned around and became "chicken hawks"...Politicians vigorously defending or advocating senseless wars when somebody else will fight them, is completely deplorable.
And then you had the deplorables with their purple bandaids at their convention mocking John Kerry who DID serve, it's disgusting.
Peace
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)The estimate that year was up to #125, so in #97 in '69 would have been called.
When I saw my number pulled on TV, refused to celebrate until I saw it confirmed in the newspaper the next day. Dropped my student deferment and was immediately reclassified as 1-H for "holding" until my target year passed.
Yes, very scary to be a lottery target where 1/3 or more were "winners".
aka-chmeee
(1,132 posts)Must have got just about everyone that year.
A little rhyme I wrote to celebrate the occasion:
Drafted, Shafted,
Into the Army wafted
By that well known ill wind.
barbtries
(28,756 posts)but i do recall my mother's clear relief when my brother got a high number. and she was a republican product of the "good" war and once yelled at my older brother, a member of VVAW, that she would be "proud" if he died in Vietnam. of course it was all booze and bluster; she certainly would have never recovered.
DownriverDem
(6,226 posts)everyone who was sent to Nam had a nervous disorder.
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)It's called PTSD.
SergeStorms
(19,154 posts)I was 20 years old, and I took a year off from College just to bum around for awhile. They said the first 125 numbers drawn in the lottery were certain to go. I watched in incredible anxiety. All young men did. I made it through the first 125! Yippee! Number 126..........November 13, my birthday. I went for my pre-induction physical and they found an irregular heartbeat. That saved me. I haven't had any trouble from it, and I take medication to keep it that way. I'm actually thankful they found that, but I'm more thankful I didn't have to attend the University of Southeast Asia. I went back to College the next semester.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)when he returned.
MyOwnPeace
(16,917 posts)is a sad story - so many paid such a price for that needless war - most hear the stories of so many, but the little stories suffer alone.
So sorry for both of you - and your families.
atreides1
(16,064 posts)According to Snopes that is still unproven! And for some reason the Selective Service System has failed to provide Wayne LaPierres archived draft registration documents.
https://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/lapierre.asp
ProfessorGAC
(64,827 posts). . . bailed on military service during a time of draft and now promotes guns and war like a maniac.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,247 posts)Wayne LaPierre is the NRA. He built the NRA into what it is today.
NARRATOR:
In the 1970s, he started as a lobbyist.
RICHARD FELDMAN, Former NRA Lobbyist:
If youre a political junkie, like Wayne or like myself, it was a wonderful job. Youre working with all these people and having these fights. And youre cutting your teeth.
NARRATOR:
But LaPierre was no ones idea of a glad-handing lobbyist.
WARREN CASSIDY:
He was a very quiet man. I was amazed he was a lobbyist because he did not have the hail fellow well met attitude or personality that I associated with politicians or with lobbyists.
NARRATOR:
And surprisingly for the NRA, he was not a gun enthusiast, more comfortable on K Street than in a duck blind.
JOHN AQUILINO:
The safest place you could be with Wayne and a gun back then was in a different state because he really did not know anything about guns. Politics, yes. Guns, no.
NARRATOR:
And inside the fractious politics of the NRA, LaPierre was skillful, navigating between the sportsmen and the gun rights activists.
WARREN CASSIDY:
Wayne could put a finger to the wind and see which way it was blowing, and he would position himself so that neither side would be offended and might even think that he were, in fact, on that side.
TIM DICKINSON, Rolling Stone:
In an organization that is so beset by factionalism, his being unmoored to any particular point of view is actually very helpful for him in terms of being able to ride the torrents that have occasionally swept through the NRA and emerge always on top.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/gunned-down/transcript/
Those last two paras sound disturbingly Trumpian.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)Just a plain old sociopathic demagogue and opportunist
Raster
(20,998 posts)...."Yesss, Mahhster, I will bring you children, beautiful, living children, so you can bathe in their blood."
keithbvadu2
(36,640 posts)The NRA used to be for sportsmen, hunters and gun safety.
Now it has become an industry owned shill for the sale of more guns and the enrichment of its leaders.
Ligyron
(7,615 posts)They got so completely RW and CT it was ridiculous. Wrote and told them that and also to take me off their damn mailing list too.
irisblue
(32,917 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,134 posts)To much of a coward to go to war. But more than willing to take Russian money.
Hmmmm, I see a pattern here. He would not defend his country back in 1969 and now he's getting paid by one of our country's enemies.
dalton99a
(81,391 posts)bluestarone
(16,851 posts)next time he takes questions THAT WOULD BE A GREAT ONE FOR SURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)It's almost always the case.
kairos12
(12,841 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)They served, and unfortunately, fought.
Bengus81
(6,927 posts)And this POSER to the line up of Conservative ass wipes that talk a big story NOW but BAILED when the Vietnam was was going full blast.
relayerbob
(6,536 posts)on gun purchases, he would likely fail that test.
Anyone so paranoid and delusional to believe they need a weapon like an AR-15 is too paranoid and delusional to actually own one.
snort
(2,334 posts)It made him nervous.
Timmygoat
(779 posts)He is working for the NRA and loves to swagger around with a rifle, he is the one who pooped in his pants to get out of going into
the military and going to Viet Nam, then he walked around in his own excrement for days.
Ligyron
(7,615 posts)That's no hunt. Hell, you could get killed!
randr
(12,409 posts)onenote
(42,532 posts)More likely than not, he got a student deferment.
sinkingfeeling
(51,436 posts)'crisis actors'? Besides this is the age of post truth.
onenote
(42,532 posts)And our credibility is gone. And if we don't have credibility, we have very little with which to fight their lies.
sinkingfeeling
(51,436 posts)been out there since 2006. I'm tried of playing nice with these a**holes. A lack of credibilty doesn't hurt them ever.
onenote
(42,532 posts)LIke you said, this has been out there for awhile. Do you think that there is a single NRA member who, upon seeing that meme, has or will drop their membership, change their position on gun rights, stop supporting republican candidates? Is there a single elected official who has or will change their support of the NRA's positions because of this met?
What exactly, other than getting a good laugh for those of us that hate him and the NRA, does it accomplish?
sinkingfeeling
(51,436 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"he got a student deferment..."
Your evidence supporting that is, and dismissing any other potential is exactly what...?
Because, if you have no evidence, "we could be discredited...."
onenote
(42,532 posts)So, maybe just Occam's Razor.
I'm of the age to have gone through the draft lottery (a bit younger than LaPierre). I'm trying to think of I know anyone who went to the trouble of getting a medical deferment when they could have a student deferment.
Can't think of one.
aka-chmeee
(1,132 posts)by passing grades. Hard to beat a good ole 4F- once obtained requires little upkeep.
My brother, who had Rheumatic Fever as a child could not at the outset get a medical deferment, so went for the student deferment. He was not a particularly good student and it did need renewing often. Kept trying for the medical and once he did get it, dropped the student deferment.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Can't think of one..."
That's the kind of thing you allege will "discredit us."
"So, maybe just Occam's Razor..."
Or maybe just lazy thinking.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)lpbk2713
(42,736 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)run away as cowards do
appalachiablue
(41,102 posts)and marital deferments (m. 1962 to his teacher) and had a child. Rudi is another case.
Bengus81
(6,927 posts)FakeNoose
(32,558 posts)A lot of guys my age (I'm 66) were still in school during the years of the draft lottery - that started in 1969 as I recall. Male students may have gotten a low number in the lottery but they still kept their S-1 deferment as long as they stayed in school. A lot of guys my age actually graduated college and enrolled immediately in graduate school in order to keep their S-1 deferment. That didn't always work though.
I've no idea what Rush Limbaugh did, but it would have been a common maneuver. By about 1974 they weren't drafting so many guys because the war was winding down and Uncle Sam had volunteers and re-ups to fill spots. There were other strategies, as we all know. Some guys were able to get a 4-F for a medical problem, others got out on a CO - conscientious objector. Some guys got married and had a baby, and Uncle Sam gave them a pass. If you were a teacher you got a deferment, and some split for Canada. It wasn't a good time to be a young male in America.
Stinky The Clown
(67,757 posts)I joined the Navy.
Fuck him. He's just another coward and bully.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)and several of our cousins. To get a health related deferment (bone spurs, pilenidal cyst, etc) because you are coward shames our country
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,939 posts)NoMoreRepugs
(9,366 posts)because aren't college kids "eggheads and snowflakes" to the true country AR15 humpers?
yellowcanine
(35,693 posts)He was nervous about getting drafted and sent to Nam. Join the club, Wayne.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,558 posts)With triggering features.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,640 posts)Skittles
(153,111 posts)SayItLoud
(1,701 posts)Banned from owning weapons because of itchy trigger finger.
I'm betting there is some crazy hidden shit in this scumbags background. Power hungry=abusers.
Dan
(3,537 posts)torius
(1,652 posts)I saw some author's Web site and he had written a Christian book about his anxiety disorder.
nuxvomica
(12,409 posts)I looked this up on Snopes and he apparently graduated from Siena College, a year before my freshman year, so I never met him. They list the deferment as unproven yet he did score a 97 in the lottery and was not drafted so there's a question as to why.
Sarg
(39 posts)followed by legions of fellow fake "tough guys." A loser who could go nowhere in life until he discovered the grifter's paradise on K street.
Miigwech
(3,741 posts)BSdetect
(8,994 posts)Be nice to see an ad around election time - which has begun.
GoCubsGo
(32,073 posts)I always figured he was a chickenshit, like Trump, Dumbya, Cheney, Limbaugh, and the rest of their ilk.
jmowreader
(50,528 posts)And I'm actually glad he was not...you know a guy like that would have been one of those lieutenants who got his entire platoon killed out of utter stupidity.
What's important is his actions now, and he seems to be fine with everyone else's kid getting blown away for no good reason.
A2er
(8 posts)And still a liar and a traitor to the USA. Give him a pardon and let him go live in Moscow.
iluvtennis
(19,826 posts)Gore1FL
(21,095 posts)If it is, he shouldn't be around guns.
rustydog
(9,186 posts)There is no known cure. WPOS syndrome is known medically as Worthless Piece Of Shit syndrome.
It can be as debilitating as bone spurs...
RainCaster
(10,822 posts)Sorry, it sounds like a good story but it's BS.
oasis
(49,321 posts)Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)No I dont
orleans
(34,040 posts)so i googled and snopes says this:
https://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/lapierre.asp
DFW
(54,269 posts)In Vietnam, he would have had to face a whole lot of people who didn't agree with him--and they all had guns, too. Gun nuts do not like being confronted by other people with guns, especially if there are superior in number. The transition from gun nuts to numb nuts can sometimes be faster than the eye can see.
invrabbit
(21 posts)The_FOX_Hound
(1 post)Although it's not been verified, with facts, that his deferment was of the medical natureit could have been a student deferment
the fact that he did not serve makes him as much of a hypocrite as our draft-dodging "president". All talk, no action! Whatever rakes-in the big bucks.
Rhiannon12866
(204,695 posts)Approximately $5 million a year - all from spoils from the NRA! And for what??
Welcome to DU, The_FOX_Hound!
Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)not taken him out, his own men would have and WE would not have to DEAL with him now.
There are many other names that apply here, Limpdick, Trump, Cheney, etc.