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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt is With a Heavy Heart That I Sit Down to Write this Post
Not least, because I've written it in so many ways, so many times before.
From 2012: Gun sanity: "It won't work because..." <---This is BULLSHIT
From 2014: Why Can't Doctors Identify Killers?
From 2016: IT'S. THE. GUNS.
From 2017: Obligatory Reminder That "Sickeningly Evil" Does NOT Equate to "Mentally Ill"
I've been here on DU since 2001. Back then I used to engage in a good many discussions on how to reconcile the freedom from having your kids shot at school (the Columbine massacre was just a couple of years before DU came online) with the freedom from any restrictions on gun ownership. It was passionate then, too.
Over the years, I've heard pretty much all the arguments on both sides, all the refutations of all the arguments, all the rebuttals to the refutations, ad infinitum.
And people kept dying from bullets, propelled by firearms, in ever-increasing numbers.
I used to think, "If we can just ignite sufficient passion for keeping people from having to fear their fellow-citizens, we can overcome the money and the hype and come up with some sensible ways to allow hunters and target shooters to enjoy their activities and keep the schools and malls and concert venues safe, and maybe reduce the number of rage killings and suicides using firearms, too..."
That was about a hundred million gun sales ago, or thereabouts, I guess.
For a while, with each new horror... Red Lake, Virginia Tech, Gabby Giffords, Aurora... I kept thinking "Maybe this will finally tip the balance. Maybe this will be the one that lights up the American conscience to the point of finally outweighing the money, the hype, the fearmongering..."
And then came Sandy Hook. And I was sure then, that if there was any truth, any sense of decency remaining in America, that would be the catalyst, and change WOULD finally happen.
And since Sandy Hook we've had Orlando, and Sutherland Springs, and Las Vegas, and I've-lost-count-of-how-many-more tragedies.
And I am still trying to find words to put in this post that don't seem utterly futile.
I'm sick.
I'm weary.
I'm heartbroken.
When I was a kid, we did "duck and cover" drills in case the commies decided to kill us all, and that was scary, but it was a cold, second-hand, antiseptic kind of scary. We never had to walk past the dead bodies of our schoolmates on our way out of the shelter. Our parents never had to think, seriously think, on a daily basis, about kissing us and telling us they loved us when they sent us off to school because it might be the last time...
I honestly don't know why every parent with a child in an American school doesn't rise up and march on Washington and park themselves on the Mall with tents and energy bars and refuse to move until this goddamned do-nothing batch of pusillanimous weasels in Congress finally slam-dunk the thrice-cursed NRA into the dustbin of history.
I would personally bring crates-- hell, truckloads-- of energy bars.
But it won't happen.
And in a few weeks, maybe months if we're lucky, I'll be doing this again, sitting at my keyboard, trying to parse some sense into the pain and rage and despair resonating from yet another horror.
wearily,
Bright
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)lapfog_1
(29,199 posts)it's all cut and paste from a previous posting about a previous shooting
steve2470
(37,457 posts)1- a gunman is captured on live TV massacring an entire kindergarten and all the teachers and principals
or
2- a gunman is captured on live TV massacring an entire zoo full of cuddly and lovely animals
or
3- same thing, in a neonatal unit with him or her shooting up all the babies and the nurses
or
4- a gunman bursts into some congressional leader's family's home and shoots up the entire family, *preferably*
on live TV
or
5- the gunman shoots up the NRA president's family at a holiday gathering, preferably on live TV.
Pardon my extreme cynicism but this is how I view the gun insanity problem.
"We'd rather have kids get shot up at school than damage the Second Amendment"
FUCK THAT THINKING. This is goddamn insanity. Something REASONABLE needs to get done.
applegrove
(118,622 posts)of children to go to safe places to be schooled.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)do my little bit... I have decided to print photos of our children killed and mail them everyday to Republicans in Congress... inaction is not acceptable... I do favor a nationwide strike (no school until something is done) but by myself, I am not able to organize
UpInArms
(51,280 posts)Maybe that will be another thing on my to do list each week ... gather pictures of the murdered people/ adults and children ... and mail them to my worthless NRA-enmeshed representative
sprinkleeninow
(20,237 posts)A combination of reasons.
It pains me to realize what's in our oval office and moreso, all three branches.
I know this didn't come upon us overnight.
I continue to sustain an amount of hope. It has not completely disappeared.
I remember grammar school. The 'worst' thing we had were fire drills.
I never had children. It is unspeakable and unfathomable to imagine the ending of the life of your progeny. A child. My God! Especially a tragic one.
I also cry for those Rohinga who are suffering atrocities. The Syrians. Others at the hand of monstrous 'beings' that have existence.
I can't process a lot.
Were we born for a time such as this?
get the red out
(13,461 posts)The funerals are barely over in Kentucky, now 17 more innocent people slaughtered in Florida.
Now we will have to listen to the GOP thoughts and prayers as they keep sucking off that NRA money tit. "Thoughts and prayers" has become a euphemism for FUCK YOU!
DFW
(54,353 posts)That day will be.........
Unfortunately just like every other day. They will call for thoughts and prayers, pocket the NRA's latest contributions, and shut their paid-for mouths. Watch for them at the nearest church to pray for the dear departed. Cameras rolling, of course.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)lapislzi
(5,762 posts)a member of Congress WAS ACTUALLY SHOT not too long ago. Has not budged one inch on his gun rights position.
DFW
(54,353 posts)It's another to stand in front of the TV cameras and say the loss of your child still leaves you cold.
bdamomma
(63,836 posts)handmade34
(22,756 posts)and I get banned from DU... it will take family members of our lawmakers to act... I am ashamed for us
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)Simply no words adequate to express my disgust for our collective American hubris.
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Lochloosa
(16,063 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)as in Democratic Party. Hmmm.
The King of Prussia
(737 posts)I'm English. Many of my favourite musicians, authors, TV shows etc. are from the US. So are some of my political heroes - notably RFK. Here in England we are constantly exposed to US culture. And this is a good thing. But when something like this happens I have to confess that I feel a sense of total bafflement. On a very profound level I conclude that I really don't understand the US at all.
There was a gun massacre in Scotland once. As a result the then Conservative government tightened gun control laws (which were already much tighter than yours). The following year the new Labour government tightened them further. The only controversy was over whether they went far enough. No politician could have opposed gun control and have been elected. The electorate would not stand for it.
If it happened here again parents wouldn't need to march on Westminster. The politicians would act. No amount of lobbyist money or pro-gun propaganda could change that. Dead children. Argument over. I have a couple of theories as to why it's different in the US, but even so, I genuinely don't understand what's going on.
What I theorise, and feel free to tell me I'm wrong, is that not enough of the American electorate want gun control enough to vote in representatives who will make it happen. Or, actually, there aren't enough of you that want any tightening of controls at all.
School massacres are high-profile, big news. But even in the US you only manage a couple a year. There are, apparently, in excess of 130,000 schools in the US. So my guess is that those parents who aren't marching on Washington are making the calculation that the chance of their child's school being the one that is shot up is so small that it doesn't outweigh their desire to have a gun themselves.
The vastly greater number of suicides and homicides that come as a result of your ridiculously lax laws surrounding guns are, I suppose, easier to ignore. That's my guess anyway - because otherwise the only conclusion is that your country is insane.
So, TygrBright, I agree with everything you say, and with everything so many others are saying on DU today. But the thing I agree with most is that you will never win the argument. Because if dead children won't change minds nothing will.
Keep safe DU-ers.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)It's just not BAD enough yet. Insane but true. This is how our country works. When it "gets bad enough", then things will get better.
All the best to you.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)When I see the clowns in photos, carrying rifles and automatic weapons, all I can think is "What makes them think these guns make them more manly?" What is missing in the culture of the USA, that so many men seem to think carrying a weapon is a good thing? No mass shooting will occur in the halls of Congress, because they have the best protection available. They certainly know how to protect themselves, proving they THINK their lives are much more valuable than even the children of this country. My heart aches for all the parents who sent their kids to school one day, and had to identify the little bodies a few hours later, because some GREEDY politician voted to relax gun laws, for a donation to their bank accounts. Guns do not make us safer, anymore than having "the best healthcare in the world" makes us healthier. I just had to walk out of the pharmacy without my prescription, because it cost OVER $500. When will Americans WAKE UP, and vote into office REAL people who honestly want to make changes from this mess the gop has already made??
TygrBright
(20,758 posts)...is connected to the fundamental dysfunction that underlies almost ALL of the existential threats to our people and our democracy: The money we allow into our electoral system.
The NRA has funneled vast amounts of cash from arms manufacturers and Russian oligarchs to our electoral candidates.
I will no longer vote for ANY candidate of ANY party who takes money from the NRA.
And, yes... "if dead children won't change minds nothing will."
bitterly,
Bright
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Thank you for your insightful post. You have definitely identified a big part of the problem. Nothing is being done because not enough of the electorate wants it badly enough. I sometimes wonder if the pro-gunners out there are just a very, loud, vocal, rich minority and don't really have the power to swing the election toward their candidates at all. It would be interesting to see an in-depth survey of how this issue really influences the way people vote. I don't think they have as much power as they think they do.
bdamomma
(63,836 posts)and your observations and perspective, we need to take some advice from the adults in other countries, granted our system is a mess, we are not a perfect union, we take a few steps forward and 9 steps back, but that is not saying we cannot fix this we just need to vote in numbers.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,328 posts)Re: your last paragraph.
It's getting worse.
ms liberty
(8,572 posts)We have another Sandy Hook and the graphic, horrifying crime scene photos are plastered all over the news. That is the only thing I can think of that might do it.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)is necessary make them see the carnage like was done with the concentration camps.
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-sandy-hook-massacre-nra-gun-policy-20171214-story.html
ms liberty
(8,572 posts)Talking to Congress does nothing, obviously. I said if the crime scene photos from Sandy Hook had been plastered on the news in all their gore and horror, we would have seen change.
SO GO YELL AT SOMEONE ELSE!
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)My point was only that after everything that was done already, nothing made a difference.
I used capital letters only to illustrate my utter sadness and frustration over the fact that nothing's being done
Again, my apologies
vlyons
(10,252 posts)The gun lobby serves the gun manufacturers, not gun owners, not hunters, not gun sports, but gun manufacturers and gun sellers. The gun lobby has bribed politicians, bought their votes. And our politicians, both Dems and GOP, are spineless to enact sensible gun laws. It is the relentless greedy acquisition of money at any costs that is at the heart of our gun problem. If the gun lobby could grind up children and sell them in cans of soup, they would do it. Because money is their highest value.
I guess that we have to become single issue voters for sensible gun laws. You know the Mothers Against Drunk Drivers (MADD) changed our culture about drunk driving. And we can do the same about guns. But like everything else, we have to vote.
Stuart G
(38,419 posts)Calculating
(2,955 posts)It's about calculated risk. These shootings are terrible, but people realize their individual odds of being effected are almost non-existent. Due to this, they're willing to deal with the occasional massacre in order to continue owning guns themselves for the sense of security provided by gun ownership. Basically they would rather risk being the victim of a gun massacre than see guns banned and lose any ability to defend themselves and their families from threats.
TygrBright
(20,758 posts)...who believe that the deaths of others are a reasonable price to pay for whatever alleviation of their fearful paranoia a gun can provide, in my heart for peace.
The world they live must be a horrible place, full of terror or their fellow-human beings and rage and anxiety about their own desperate inadequacies in the face of that existential threat.
sadly,
Bright
"It's not going to happen to me" is another form of "I got mine."
OTOH, remember right after 911 how much they were willing to give up for the small chance of being the victim of terrorist attack. The opposite.
Paladin
(28,252 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 15, 2018, 06:34 PM - Edit history (1)
Like you, I've been taking on the Gun Enthusiasts here at DU since 2001. I too am sick, weary and heartbroken. In a nation that was willing to put an infantile degenerate like trump in office, why should we expect anything as common-sense and beneficial as effective gun control measures? Why should we expect our children to be safe in their schools, when it is so ridiculously easy for murderous psychotics to arm themselves with military-style arms and thousands of rounds of ammunition? Why should we expect our political class to do anything whatsoever to stop or even slow down the bloodshed, when so many of them are nothing more than high-priced whores for the NRA?
I used to think that solving the gun problem in this nation was a possibility. But then, I used to regard this nation as part of the civilized world. I'm not burdened by such delusions any longer.
TygrBright
(20,758 posts)Firearms manufacturers have been so enormously successful at selling fear and the mystique of their deathtools.
Three percent of American adults own more than one-half of the 300 MILLION guns in private hands in the United States. That's roughly seven and a half million people who own an average of twenty guns each. (How many guns can you "defend yourself with" at a time?)
The other half of the 300 million guns in private hands are owned by about 30% of American adults. That's seventy-five million adults with a hundred and fifty million or so guns.
There are about four million guns distributed between the less than a million sworn civilian law enforcement personnel in America, and the approximately two million active duty and reserve military personnel.
As far as I can tell, we're pretty much already at the Malthusian solution.
sadly,
Bright
spanone
(135,823 posts)kentuck
(111,079 posts)Botany
(70,490 posts)KT2000
(20,576 posts)the hard way - not all parents put their safety of their children first. Some of course do but it is largely a myth about humans and will eventually be our downfall. Just like the wars in the Middle East, parents are destroying their own children to preserve their position supposedly for the benefit of their children. So it is with guns - preserving a gun free for all is for the benefit of their children - at least the ones who survive. There is some rationalizing going on to fit in with the pack as well. Cultural identification.
TalenaGor
(1,104 posts)bdamomma
(63,836 posts)top priority, nor our children's safety, our healthcare, the opioid epidemic, treatment of our soldiers....and the list goes on. I hope to see each of those repigs pay dearly for their arrogance and sick greed.
You don't treat the people like this.
Stinky The Clown
(67,790 posts)marlakay
(11,451 posts)I talked to her today about my grandkids school. She said we have good security dont worry mom.
Everyone thinks it wont happen to them.
Yes, she lives in the better part of town with the better schools, but I read this last one was in a nice neighborhood.
I feel like Joy on the View today when she was so disgusted she said I just cant talk about this anymore, no one is doing anything.
Its like we have collectively given up.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)With sadness and bewilderment.