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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsExtremely troubling info from Stephanie Miller interview with Adam Schiff
Adam says there is almost no chance, no matter the crimes, of an indictment of the chief traitor.
He didnt expand on whether or not others would be indicted but said the MOST Mueller will do with chief traitor is make a referral to Congress, which as we know means nothing, absolutely nothing will happen.
The question then is would that referral be able to be brought up AGAIN when patriots take control of the house? As in we know the GOP wont do anything about his treason and felonies, but after the election assuming the patriots take control, can that referral be acted on then?
DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)This is exactly what Leon Jaworski did in 1974. He named President Nixon as an unindicted co-conspirator and sent a "bulging briefcase" full of key evidence to Congress for further action. He and his staff were very careful to make it detailed but non-accusatory.
This arises out of Jaworski's firm belief that a sitting US President could not be indicted while in office.
If, for example, Mueller makes a referral in the Summer/Fall, and Congress changes in January 2019, the likelihood of impeachment (but not necessarily conviction) goes WAY up.
I guess you're asking if double jeopardy would apply. I am sure the Repubs would scream this, but I don't think it would apply to Congress in the context of an impeachment.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)If we don't win, we are f...ed.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Will they be able to quash his work?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)which is probably why he said that. Some legal experts disagree (Laurence Tribe, for example), but that's the conventional legal wisdom. The grand jury that heard evidence in the Watergate crimes designated Nixon an unindicted co-conspirator, and on the basis of that precedent the matter of Nixon's crimes went to the House. What this meant was that the grand jury would have indicted Nixon if he hadn't been president because they concluded he was a participant in the crimes relating to the Watergate break-in. As a result articles of impeachment were drafted, but Nixon resigned before they were voted on by the full House. This is probably what Schiff thinks is more likely to happen with Trump.
Girard442
(6,059 posts)Hard to imagine even Trump being cool as his family members are carted off to jail.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,310 posts)He is drunk with fictional (and non-fictional) power.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)because Mueller is giving the NY AG info on state law violations (which correspond to a lot of federal financial crime statutes), he can't pardon them. So maybe they'd wind up in Attica.
delisen
(6,039 posts)because if federal Trump can pardon, no?
BumRushDaShow
(127,310 posts)and there should be plenty there!
Girard442
(6,059 posts)I also think that they are not restricted as to what information they can use in their deliberations. Same for the Senate -- except they can't vote to convict until after the House has impeached.
C_U_L8R
(44,894 posts)may be a referendum on impeachment. Wild.
Me.
(35,454 posts)would be brought forth after he leaves office
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,085 posts)It simply means Trump won't be criminally indicted off the bat, because of the wishy-washy legal implications of indicting a sitting president while in office. (It would get tied up in court for months and just further belabor the process).
However, it doesn't shut the door on a criminal indictment of Trump once he exits office via removal or resignation. Remember Ford still had to pardon Nixon even though Nixon was never formally indicted up to that point.
It's not as bad as it sounds. It just demonstrates the inherent challenges of proceeding against a sitting president. Unfortunately, we won't see Trump frog marched off White House grounds, but he'd still be looking at the very real chance of facing criminal charges at some point.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Cautious to a fault, IMHO. I do like Schiff, but I wish he wouldn't be so shy.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)when he speaks, people listen. In other words, he's creating a pathway for the house to take note, which may cause a sizeable amount of Republicans in supporting ousting of the ugly American.
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)we all know if he cant win hell bring everyone down with him
BoneyardDem
(1,202 posts)every iota of evidence to be cataloged and cross checked and verified. There should be no question of the veracity any recommendation and charge. Once the 2018 elections are done and we have a majority in the House....THEN make recommendations to Congress.