Just saw interview with Rachel and Chuck Schumer...There were protesters at his house. Why?Why?

[Demsrule86]

Why not protest at GOP homes...pick the most vulnerable house and Senate GOP members and let them have it. The Dems are on the side of Dreamers but don't have the power to save them...and yet they take shots at those that agree with them and ignore those who issued an executive order rescinding DACA (president) and those who have done nothing who have a majority in Congress (the Republican house and senate members. We don't have the levers of powers. So scream that you won't vote Democratic and maybe even follow through and what will happen...more Gop who will make worse laws and then folks will scream for the Democrats to save them...demand it ...but we can't because you all took the keys away...and we are not steering the 'government' vehicle. It might help to target the GOP elected. It won't help to target Democrats who will do everything they can because they believe in DACA and want to save the dreamers. If the Democrats had control of the government, the dreamers would not be at risk. Think about that.

[shenmue]

1. TRUE

[Demsrule86]

2. Thanks.

It just makes me sick. You know who is happy about this? The Republicans. It they can screw the dreamer and blame the Democrats...it is a twofer. Send some damn protesters to the GOP vulnerable elected's homes and offices.

[R B Garr]

29. It makes me sick, too.

Attack Republicans instead!

[still_one]

3. cause they are f**king nuts. Are these the same folks who refused to vote for the Democratic

nominee in 2016

That worked out real well for them.

Also, WTF right to they have to protest at a person private house

[Demsrule86]

8. It is useless too...He is on their side as is Pelosi. They could protest at vulnerable pugs in

the House and the Senate...might do some good.

[still_one]

15. I am skeptical just who these so-called protesters are

[Demsrule86]

17. That is a good point...could be just anti-Democrat our revolution types who were almost certainly

behind the Nancy Pelosi incident where she was shouted down.

[Baclava]

20. 'Immigration Activists Are About to Go Off on Chuck Schumer '

A trio of progressive organizations, including CREDO, is hosting an event on Tuesday night that will bring activists to the front lawn of Schumer’s home in Brooklyn.

They are also in the process of printing signs for the event which read “Worst negotiator in Washington. And Brooklyn. #SchumerSellout,” superimposed on an image of the Minority Leader’s face.

https://amp.thedailybeast.com/immigration-activists-are-about-to-go-off-on-chuck-schumer

[sprinkleeninow]

21. Is this the Credo that mail bombs incessantly?

I do not trust as valid anymore who's behind badmouthing and dirty deeds against our Dem leaders.

[Baclava]

23. 'CREDO Action, the activist arm of the wireless phone company' n/t

[sprinkleeninow]

26. Credo Action, that's it.

I delete their mail. Is this a correct response?

Adding: Oh yeah, Credo Mobile also.

[Demsrule86]

44. Seriously? No one can help people as foolish as this. It takes two to negotiate. If the Dreamers

camped out on GOP types lawns...and fought back, it would improve their chances. If the GOP won't negotiate, we can do nothing. And 9% less Latina voters voted for Hillary than Obama. One has to wonder if their votes would have been enough to elect Hillary and save the Dreamers.

This give the GOP less of a reason to help them as they get a twofer...deport Dreamers and make their base happy and screw with Democrats. Stupid is as stupid does. I would like to know who is in charge of this. I smell Democratic fringe hating activists who are using these poor Dreamers.

[still_one]

73. I also dont think we should assume these protesters are speaking for the majority of the dreamers

blaming the Democrats

[Demsrule86]

77. I don't know...if the larger Dreamer organizations get involved...it sure looks that way.

[Joediss]

27. Me too

I was thinking Putin may behind dividing us right now.

[Demsrule86]

52. It is possible that he has infiltrated the groups behind this.

[Cedric140k]

33. Looks Latino

The protesters are real, they look Latino. Last I checked we got the Latinos voting Democrat. Latinos hate repugs.
They are just frustrated.

[still_one]

37. They are frustrated so they attack the Democrats, ignoring that the republicans have the majority in

both houses, control the WH, and made it very clear that keeping the government shut down would not magically allow DACA to happen.

However, if some of those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for the Democratic nominee in 2016, had instead voted for the Democratic nominee, this would not been happening now.

[Demsrule86]

45. Everything you say is true. The only thing I would add is their actions make the Gop less

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less likely to vote on DACA. If the Democrats are blamed, why should they?

[still_one]

68. You are right, and based on what trump is saying today, no wall, no DACA on confirms it is trump

and the republicans where they should be protesting

[Demsrule86]

53. So why not protest those who are actually threatening then and who can do something about their

situation. Even if the Senate votes for DACA...the House says they won't...wouldn't camping out on Ryan's doorstep make more sense? Schumer did the best he could...we don't have the levers of power. The truth is we can't save the dreamers without GOP votes. They can protest Schumer and whoever all they want, it only hurts them. I still think some anti-Democratic party organizations are behind this.

[Rene]

72. so true I completely agree probably 'hired thugs' wish there were pics

to identify and call them out

[TheMastersNemesis]

4. Right Protesters Are At The Wrong Place.

Polls seem to be showing that shutdown not popular and most likely won't help Dreamers. Voters seem to think that saving Dreamers is Not worth government shut down.

[Demsrule86]

9. The Dreamers only chance is to influence the Republicans. They should work it...less than three week

[bigtree]

5. amazing disconnect

...Schumer is working across the aisle to get what they're asking for.

If McConnell doesn't have protesters at his house he must be laughing his ass off watching these reports.

[Demsrule86]

10. That is what I think. And there are vulnerable GOP types in the House and the Senate

who are concerned that they might lose their seats over DACA...protest them.

[Cha]

34. Mahalo, bigtree I'm sure he

and all the repubs are laughing their collective ass off at the M$M and those protesting the Dems.

[Demsrule86]

46. I think they are and so is Trump. He issued the EA that made Dreamers vulnerable to deportation

as it did away with DACA. Congress sat on their hands and did nothing for months...and yet somehow with our lack of power, we are supposed to be magical negotiators. In reality, such behavior makes it less like for the GOP to negotiate. Why would they if Democrats get blamed? I still think someone is orchestrating this and using Dreamers. thanks for you response. I enjoy your posts.

[Cha]

83. Mahalo, Dems.. I enjoy

learning from your posts!

[Demsrule86]

84. You are too kind! I learn way more from you.

[brush]

6. That makes too much sense. Guess it's too hard to think things through.

[Demsrule86]

11. I feel bad for Dreamers but they need to try to help themselves by encouraging people to

call Congress, go on every show that will have them, and protest Republicans.

[brush]

22. Absolutely. They're getting bad advice and are also victims of evil repug...

messaging that it's all the Democrats fault.

[Demsrule86]

55. They need to have a better strategy. This strategy is ineffective against the GOP and will get them

deported.

[Joediss]

30. Think

The far left thinks to much with their emotions and that's not very smart, they are outraged by their sense of injustice , and strike out at people on their side because they are not doing a perfect job

[Demsrule86]

56. But why don't they ever take on those who create the evil...the Republicans or Trump?

What they do only limits the chances of Democrats to help them. The Far far left might as well join the GOP, they help elect them.

[shanny]

66. Now Latino protesters are the "far left"?

[oasis]

7. "They're barking up the wrong tree" old timers would say.

[Demsrule86]

13. It won't work. Such a waste of time and energy.

I would send a few to Ryan's house and other vulnerable house members.

[raging moderate]

12. Maybe we could go to his house to support him?

Just a thought.

[Demsrule86]

14. That is a great idea. He lives in Brooklyn.

[Cha]

35. I'll be there.. Wish I could!

[Demsrule86]

47. I am in Ohio in the middle of selling my house as we bought another house...and we need to sell asap

Hubs gets to hang out at the new house( lucky dog) while I get the house ready. It was renovated, but there are always things you do to sell a house...I think this must be the 7the house I sold...so ready for it to be over.

I wish I could go too.

[4now]

16. For the same reason that they bitched and whined about everything Obama did

or didn't do.

[Demsrule86]

48. This makes no sense. Obama wanted to do immigration reform and created DACA by an EA

when Congress failed to act.

[dlk]

18. The Circular Firing Squad Strikes Again

[Cha]

36. Aww.. there's no "circular firing

squad" as you accuse. This is a fucking political message board and members are Allowed to voice their opinions.

Without breaking the rules.

[Demsrule86]

49. Am I in the firing squad...when this post defends Democrats and the leadership in particular?

It seems unlikely.

[GulfCoast66]

19. Cause they are idiots?

The republican house will never vote for DACA. Never.

If we do not win the house DACA is over.

And if we shut down the government we will lose.

[Demsrule86]

50. I don't think shutting the government down works either. In fact someone last night said the

Dreamers divide the GOP but shutting the government down divides the Democrats. If we can't move the GOP with a shutdown, what is the point.

[helmedon1974]

24. For the same reason Dems rarely control Congress AND the White House

Too many people are either ignorant or apathetic to the most important issues we face. Then when they learn the basic issue, they refuse to learn any more beyond what talking heads tell them. We need the pride and Fury to take back Congress and keep it. We get all worn out in mid terms, don't win all we want.....
And give up. We need to excise the cancers that are McConnell , Paul Ryan and various other mid level place holder's.

[Demsrule86]

51. I agree completely +1000

[BoneyardDem]

25. Why? They picked up the same RW talking point that has been prevalent on DU

Negative, defeatist and inaccurate talking points that are so easily believed. Those defeatists talk fast and loud while level heads, thinking through the nuances of political strategies are drowned out.

[sprinkleeninow]

28. Pluses for you!

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[uponit7771]

42. +1, we were botted yesterday no doubt

[BoneyardDem]

74. So now that we know the MO

it's up to each one of us to speak up, speak out, and not fall for the same stupid crap over and over.

Some of my earliest recollections of Dems includes the positive attitudes, caring and wanting to make the positive difference in lives of people, not corporations, the glass 1/2 full mentality, the ability to make lemonade out of lemons, to work through duress knowing there is a positive solution. Most of that has given way to the defeatists flood on negativism, and the Dem bashing.

You are right, the BOTS work to ensure we walk away from our stewardship in humanity rather that march forward. I'm pretty much done with it. I have made it a point to no longer buy into that type of talking point. I will not let the defeatist rhetoric be the impetus for Dems to fall on their own swords. "Resist" is right. It implies action, and I'm up to it.

[Demsrule86]

80. We will march forward!

[Demsrule86]

57. That is a very good point ...excellent in fact.

[BoneyardDem]

75. Follow up on post #74

[SixString]

31. Maybe they feel they have a better chance of being heard there.

As opposed to McConnell's house.

[Demsrule86]

58. If they shook up the GOP it would help...and being 'heard' by Schumer who doesn't have the power to

help them isn't going to get them anywhere. They have to give the GOP a compelling reason to vote for DACA. If the GOP sees that Dems get blamed, than not doing anything on DACA is a win win for them. Vulnerable GOP house members should be targeted and the GOP leadership- not Democrats.

[Anny61]

38. The fell in with the automatic diss of the Democrats without a foundation.

It is easy to lead the charge of negativity when it comes to the Democratic Party, regardless of facts. We see it repeatedly.

[Demsrule86]

59. And it helps elect Republicans repeatedly.

They knee cap us electorally and then bitch because we can't do anything...what a plan.

[Dorian Gray]

39. They live down the street from me

and there are often protests outside his home. Grand Army Plaza is right there.

[Demsrule86]

60. No doubt, but this protest is hurting the Dreamers's cause and is on all the media.

[oberliner]

40. Read some of the interviews with the protesters

And you will understand why they were there.

[Demsrule86]

41. Why not just tell me. The thing is regardless of their reasons not only are they being unfair to

those who are on their side-Democrats, but lessening their chances of the GOP (especially the House) lifting a finger. Why would they when the Dreamers are foolish enough to blame those who want to help them-Democrats. and give a pass to those who actually did this. Trump and the Republicans? This is a win win for the Gop if the Dreamers go down that road. The Republicans get to deport them and the Democrats get blamed. it is incredibly foolish. I have to wonder who is influencing them. I am not going to google this as I saw some on air and honestly I thought the ones I saw were naive about how the government works. Others are most likely from anti-Democratic Party groups.

[Vinca]

43. That's what I wondered. Every Democrat will vote to give them a path to citizenship.

It's the GOP they need to target. Maybe they will wake a couple up when they realize their actions affect real people.

[Demsrule86]

61. Yeah, it really is their only hope. We don't have the levers of power. And now way we can shut the

government down indefinitely. Schumer basically said he didn't know if the vote a week from Thursday would help...he also asked for use to contact our GOP reps...I have Portman and will do so.

[samnsara]

54. cuz theyre children politically.. they dont understand...

...and they are tantruming as much as Donnie does. Chuck did a hell of a lot but when the scales start tipping in the opposite direction ( and in this case after only 3 days) then you have to fold and take your winnings. The fight isn't over.

[Demsrule86]

63. No it isn't and I wish they would help themselves by taking the fight to the GOP.

[NCTraveler]

62. Spot on. Thanks. nt.

[Demsrule86]

64. Thanks! I just don't get it...those who attack the Democratic Party only help the GOP.

[NCTraveler]

65. I'm going to venture a guess...

Leaving out the thought that they just aren't thinking their way through it properly.

Desperation and only one party will talk to them in the first place. Some very influential movements in history have given no ground when it comes to who they protest. Most of these movements are civil rights based. Many of them have been extremely successful.

Please note, I am talking agreement or disagreement with what has happened here in no way. I even have a feeling some of the protesters are from the Chelsea Manning wing of the party.

I'm just a sucker for protests.

[Demsrule86]

67. I have no problem with protests.

I wish they could be more effective...the influential movements you discuss were apolitical in my view because people from both sides were oppressors. That is not the case here. This is why it won't work. The GOP is only to happy to sit on their hands and do nothing and watch Democrats get blamed. If the Dreamers went after the GOP in a big way, they would improve their chances.

[TrishaJ]

69. I have to really wonder if

Russians are not behind these protests. Remember, they've been behind organizing protests for both the LEFT and the RIGHT. It occurred to me when I saw the crowd at Schumer's house. Who is behind trying to divide the Democratic Party over the CR?? Just sayin'.

[Demsrule86]

70. It could be true. This is not in the best interest of Dreamers so someone is giving them bad advice

[Kolesar]

71. We cheered the night *they* picketed JFK airport en masse to counter the Muslim ban a year ago

They are the same people. We cannot ignore them and have our coalition survive. There is a kernel of authenticity in them.

We certainly don't want our Mexican American friends to withdraw and accept second class presence in America. I can't say citizenship. We want our candidates to get support and motivate all voters to vote.

A fair question is how many of them are in the Dreamer movement and how many of them are strident far leftists. How many of them are telling themselves that they bridge the red/blue divide like Bernie the Purple Dinosaur? Ok, I am off to yoga.

[Demsrule86]

78. I cheered because they took on the GOP...they didn't picket Democrats who are on their side.

There is a limit to what we can do...they should be working hard to turn GOP types...so they can get a vote in the House.

[Kolesar]

81. [x] Like for your post...eom

[Demsrule86]

82. Thank you very much.

[ollie10]

76. Why?

1) the First Amendment gives them the right

2) some people are wanting leaders who fight for Democratic principles and think he caved

[Demsrule86]

79. And some people expect the impossible...the GOP did this...period and end of story...the House has

announced they will not have a vote on any bill...What happened is not caving...but a recognition that there is little we can do and we saved millions of kids...that was wonderful and unexpected...we get another stab at DACA in two weeks or so...and it probably won't work. There is no play for Dem leaders who were kneecapped by many who are bitching now...we don't have the levers of power. I guess emails were not that important in retrospect.

[ollie10]

86. Oh we almost got the impossible...we snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory

[Demsrule86]

88. Bullshit. There was no way the GOP was giving in on DACA...any that expected such

an outcome was just plain wrong. No way the GOP will give away that much. I was ecstatic we got CHIP.

[ollie10]

90. They were going to do Chip anyway, that was on the original resolution we filibustered and caved on

[Demsrule86]

93. Whatever, there was the wall too which was not in the fiinal CR...and the CR was shorter.

And if we continued the shutdown with no GOP types...it is on us only...and they could have taken CHIP out at any time. The GOP isn't giving in on DACA...we have one more go at it...but you can't shut down the government until 18. It is not caving but recognizing we don't have the power to fix this.I don't think we will get DACA in two weeks either...better take the best deal the GOP offers... because that is all there will be.

[ollie10]

95. Be happy the massrrs give us crumbs?

[Demsrule86]

96. We don't the power to save the Dreamers. Shutting the government won't work.

If a deal is offered, take it...fix the shit afterwards. It is the Dreamers only chance. We don't have the House, Senate or presidency...and we have a tough election in less than a year. The Dreamers should start picketing the GOP...if we had the power, none of this would have happened...those who voted for anyone other than Hillary or stayed home literally have blood on their hands. The Democrats can do nothing about this. I have been very impressed they did as much as they have given the circumstances...and yes when you have no power you get crumbs...which is why always vote for Democrats.

[ollie10]

97. Why don't we use the power we do have?

Need i remind that in March the dreamers get deported?

[ollie10]

98. Best deal they offer? What if that is nothing?

Then nothing is good?

[nolabels]

91. I have never had friends in St Petersburg

I once wondering what it would be like

[Trumpocalypse]

85. There are many on the far left who are too eager

to pound their chests in self-righteous indignation about how the democratic party let them down. They look forward to it.

[Demsrule86]

89. And we really do need to let them go. They are not on our side.

[Kirk Lover]

87. I'm going to guess a lot of participants of the protest are directly effected by DACA

and are feeling very desperate and frustrated. Fine if they want to spend an evening there but I hope they are putting their frustrations to better use.

The heavy protesting needs to occur at these Republican liars lairs.

[loyalsister]

92. Protests aren't about making someone look bad

That may be the result, but the goal is to be heard. They do tend to reveal allies and friends. When critics claim intellectual superiority and greater political prowess, people who are living with pain and fear beyond most of our imaginations learn exactly who their friends are not.

I can't think of an appropriate response to a sense of political exploitation, and the very clear message that these families are so disposable that they will be deported to war zones without much objection. The youth and children will be especially vulnerable because they don't even know the language. These are families and communities who friends and families are facing a horror show that will include many deaths.

Maybe they want to see some sincerity behind the statements and CNN talking points. Some of the people who are deported will die. It's a hideous tragedy, but you'd never know if Chuck Shumer, other lawmakers, or pundits see it that way. Maybe some people just want purported allies to mourn with them?
The discussion has not reflected an appreciation for the human costs and fears of what lies ahead. How are they suppposed to know that any people in power actually really have a sense of what they are facing and care about it? There is not enough outrage to reflect a citizenry that actually cares whether they live or die because so many care only about the political gamesmanship. It's possible that they are protesting that dehumanizattion. Maybe they have a point, and the least we could do is stop with the narcissitic American entitlement and listen to them cry?

[crazycatlady]

94. They're better off heading to Trump Tower

[Azathoth]

99. Reminds me of BLM protesters crashing Bernie Sanders rallies

Some people are just determined to shoot themselves in the foot.