Palmer: Mueller investigating Trump & Russia for rigging Michigan and Wisconsin

[L. Coyote]

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Robert Mueller is investigating Donald Trump and Russia for rigging Michigan and Wisconsin
Bill Palmer ---- Dec 29, 2017

For weeks, prominent Republicans in Congress have begun trying to smear Special Counsel Robert Mueller. Now we know why. Earlier this week we learned that Mueller has been investigating the Republican Party’s role in the Trump-Russia scandal. Now we’re learning that Mueller is specifically investigating Trump, the Republican Party, and Russia for their roles in conspiring to rig multiple key swing states in the 2016 election.

Russian trolls micro-targeted voters in Wisconsin and Michigan, feeding them fake political news in order to trick them into voting under false pretenses, thus rigging the outcome of the election in those two states. The trolls in question had the kind of sophisticated knowledge and profiling of specific voters in these states that they almost certainly couldn’t have come up with on their own. Now, according to New York Magazine (link), Mueller is seeking to prove that the Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee provided this voter data to the Russians.

This is the most specific confirmation to date that Mueller is indeed seeking to prove that Trump and his Republican allies did in fact rig the outcome of the election by illegally conspiring with Russia to alter the outcome. ...............

[JI7]

1. This source is not credible

[SleeplessinSoCal]

3. Palmer Report is like a wish list. n/t

[Wwcd]

17. Well he provides links like every other place, even like DU.

He's as credible as anyone else, including our top notch journalists at MSM, even! Judging by what a fine job they all did for the country in 2016 with their, Trump-24/7 coverage.


Palmer is as credible as any of them.

[George II]

23. Exactly, Palmer isn't making the facts up. He may be presenting them in his way, but.....

...the facts are the facts. The linked sources are credible.

PS - I don't know why he's being called not credible.

[Wwcd]

31. He seemed to have been on a blacklist with a few others, by a "certain group"

This happened early on when they began outing RU ops & connecting the Trump dirty works.
They also didn't like it when these blogger groups revealed the truth about Stein, & other questionable operations that brought on the coup.

You know how it is when the truth is revealed & trolls are sent out to stop the leaks.
Same shit happened with Palmer & the bloggers.
Well they failed because Palmer & his fellow bloggers are Still Here doing their part in outing Russia's game.

I guess that would piss off those who want to silence that truth.

[L. Coyote]

72. And they seem only interested in slamming him no matter how good his sources are.

Link to tweet

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[Bradical79]

34. It's more like he muddies facts with opinion here

And applies his own definitions to things that happened. And dies a poor job confirming his sources when he thinks he has some kind of lead (which affects his credibility), or it's him and a couple other non-credible "journalists" all circularly confirming the others.

In this instance, he's basically reporting something we already know using his own terms and defenitions. He's reporting that Trump is under investigation for collusion to affect the outcome of the election, and reframing it as "rigging". Then he inserts his own opinions on what this means as far as who would go to prison, who else is implicated, etc. It gets some people excited about new news or thinking something is imminent when that's not the case.

[Cha]

52. Mahalo, Wwcd! Just a blanket

"not a credible" source does not work for me.

[Wwcd]

73. Hey Cha! 😎☃️

Yup. That's correct.
I wish you a generous new year blessed with kindness & peace my dear friend

[Cha]

79. Happy 2018 with Love, Peace, and Aloha

to you, Wwcd!

[onit2day]

59. Repubs were guilty of "caging" voter suppression (Walker. Kobach)

But the above story needs some proof. Maybe Mueller will read it and do just that.

[NurseJackie]

97. Excellent analogy!

[GaryM]

12. What source is not credible?

Please provide some context.

The Palmer report may be reaching a bit but it seems credible that "Robert Mueller is investigating Donald Trump and Russia for rigging Michigan and Wisconsin" It references NY Magazine which references Yahoo news and CNN.

What exactly are you taking issue with here?

[Wwcd]

19. "Someone said" certain bloggers weren't credible so that's all some need to hear.

I'll believe & read what I want without being told what "someone said" I should.

I have no doubt that Mueller will go through & seek out the Russian influence of 2016 wherever it leads him.
Palmer's correct.

[GregW]

18. Amen - Teasing titles to his blog posts, nothing but wishes and guesses in the details

I still read him every day, but never draw any conclusions

[Bernardo de La Paz]

22. It is very credible. It abstracts from a NY mag report on 28th which abstracts from a 27th report.

Do your due diligence before you throw the baby out with the bath water.

In any case, I saw the essentials of this story reported on DU a week or two ago. It was credible then. It has not gotten less credible.

[Cha]

54. Gracias Bernardo!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

25. "CNN reported in October that ads placed by Russia-linked Facebook accounts targeted MI & WI".

CNN reported in October that ads placed by Russia-linked Facebook accounts targeted Michigan and Wisconsin in particular, with many “geared at swaying public opinion in the most heavily contested battlegrounds.”

You think Mueller doesn't know this?

You think his team is not interested?

You gonna tell us CNN is not credible?

[John Fante]

27. Swaying public opinion / rigging

[Bernardo de La Paz]

30. At minimum is Conspiracy Against the USA: Coordinating with enemy power to interfere in USA election

Welcome to DU, I think.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

36. The House Intell committee is concerned enough that this goes beyond "swaying"

For months, the House Intelligence Committee has been probing this question. “Obviously, we’re looking at any of the targeting of the ads … to see whether they demonstrate a sophistication that would be incompatible with not having access to data analytics from the campaign,” Representative Adam Schiff said on CNN in October.

[John Fante]

50. It's certainly worth looking into

and I have no doubt the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. We'll see what Mueller digs up.

[Volaris]

51. swaying public opinion is what candidates for Office are supposed to do (its how they win).

as far as I know, propoganda isnt illegal in america. So unless any of the targets of the investigation can be tagged with screwing around with the vote totals AFTER those ballots were cast, not sure theres anything here.

I KNOW DAMN-WELL there IS something here, and its a very BIG Thing. But lets not kid ourselves, these are the arguments the criminals and their attys will make, so we had better be ready to refute them with stronger stuff than Iron, or we wont get shit for Justice. I trust Mueller and his team to bring the 'stronger stuff'.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

56. When US parties do the swaying, fine. But getting enemy countries to do it, that's conspiracy. . nt

[louis c]

63. Except when it originates from a Foriegn, Adversarial Source. That makes it a crime

If Trump campaign operatives knew of the Russian plot to place false news and ads, and assisted them in any way, that propaganda is a crime.

no campaign can accept assistance from a foreign government. They can't even accept polling data from Canada, let alone lies from Russia.

[onenote]

81. It's a little fuzzier than that.

For example, the Prime Ministers of Sweden, Italy, Scotland, and France are among the several foreign government officials that publicly endorsed Hillary over Trump during the campaign. It would be naive to think that there wasn't communications and/or coordination between those endorsers and the Clinton campaign. And there is nothing wrong with it.

It is the surreptitious nature of Russia's activities that raises concerns, not the fact that they were giving "assistance" to Trump.

[triron]

82. It is the form of the assistance (for one thing) that is significantly different

and the concomitant conspiracy by the Trump campaign.
The Clinton campaign in no way conspired with the nations you mention.
The endorsements were given freely and openly,

[louis c]

86. It's illegal for the campaign to coordinate

Obviously anyone can say anything. but it's illegal for the Prime Minister of England, for example, to donate money to a Presidential campaign and have the money accepted.

That's Russia. They hacked Democratic emails, passed them along to WikiLeaks for release and informed the Trump campaign that they were doing it on their behalf. The Trump campaign did not alert the FBI. Accepted the "donation" and was negotiating a quid pro quo, or understanding with Russia on the sanctions. It went up as high as Manafort, Kushner and Donnie Jr. That's the crux of the case.

[Volaris]

85. Then it really is going to be about proving what they knew, and when..

Because without it, all team trump had to say is
'We didn't ask for anything, and Russia is allowed to buy Facebook ads right, so as long as nobody knew nothin, everythings great.

This is the kind of argument that will get made in their defense for sure.

[louis c]

87. Except that we already have 2 people providing information

and if those 2 people (or more), with supporting documents, prove that the Trump team knew in advance, told the Russians where to direct those ads, and said that they would attempt to lift sanctions, if elected, then they can start taking measurements for orange jump suits.

And, obstruction of justice is still a crime. Nixon didn't break into Watergate, and didn't even know about it, in advance. He was an unindicted coconspirator for the cover-up, which was obstruction of justice. It was among the first articles of impeachment.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

28. Michael Isikoff not credible for you?

The Dec. 27th report that prompted this was investigated and written by Michael Isikoff.

Michael Isikoff
Chief Investigative Correspondent
Isikoff is chief investigative correspondent for Yahoo News, where he is also editor at large for reporting and investigations. He digs into national security, money in politics, and whatever else strikes his fancy. Previously, he was an investigative correspondent for NBC as well as a staff writer for Newsweek and the Washington Post. Isikoff has written two best-sellers, "Uncovering Clinton" and (with David Corn) "Hubris," about the selling of the Iraq War.

(emphasis added)

[Bradical79]

40. Obviously it's Palmer that's not credible

All his so called reporting does is obfusicate things we already know with his own questionable wording, makes educated guesses framed as real reporting, and intersperses his own message board style speculations throughout his blog posts.

[beaglelover]

95. Agree

[enough]

2. Targeting voters for information or even misinformation is not "rigging" an election. NT

[SleeplessinSoCal]

5. it would be foreign interference with the aid of a political party.

A party clearly uninterested in preserving democracy.

[GaryM]

7. Illegaly targeting voters with mis-information is electoral fraud

If you want to debate definitions...

Electoral fraud, election manipulation, or vote rigging is illegal interference with the process of an election, whether by increasing the vote share of the favored candidate, depressing the vote share of the rival candidates, or both. ... In a narrow election, a small amount of fraud may be enough to change the result.

Apparently the Russian trolls have joined DU.

[Alice11111]

26. but targeting voters w misinformation is what Repub ads do

[Bradical79]

43. Defenitions are important in reporting -nt

[Wwcd]

21. Rigging is like hacking. Both words are often used to define RU interferance anymore.

We know what the writer is referring to.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

24. What part of 'coordinating with enemy power to interfere with free election' do you not understand?

At a minimum it is Conspiracy Against the USA.

[roamer65]

4. I certainly hope it is true.

[Bradical79]

45. We know it's true.

He's just reframing the collusion investigation as rigging. It's a little confusing when his stuff is posted like it's new news.

[kentuck]

6. If they find out thyat Trump was not elected legitimately...

There would be a constitutional crisis.

[roamer65]

8. They would have to find the same in PA for that to happen.

If they find MI and WI to be invalid, Dump would still have 280 EV’s

[Alice11111]

29. Good point. They should be punished for cheating, if it can

be proven. They won't be though. They own every branch, and most important the Supreme Court, the final arbiter.
It is hard to gain power when the other side controls the power,but that is the only way out of this continuing demise of our democracy.

I fear Mueller has been so discredited by Repubs, FOX, that it may not matter much what he says. That is the Repub objective.

[roamer65]

35. We must flip Congress as much as possible in November.

We must emasculate this aberration called the Dump pResidency.

[Alice11111]

53. Yes. It will be hard, but it's possible.

[rainin]

20. We've all become immune to the threat of a constitutional crisis.

Members of his party would have to push back. We all know they won't.

[leanforward]

66. Exactly.

[Achilleaze]

9. Bingo

I've suspected that all along. I hope the US Special Investigator can prove it and save American democracy from the evil forces attacking it from within and without.

[Stinky The Clown]

10. I hope people reading this thread understand Palmer is a wackadoodle nutter.

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Unreliable Sources.

Should be prohibited from DU. Along with a few others. All of whom, I think, live in St. Petersburg.

[Alice11111]

33. It raised more questions than answers.

[Wwcd]

37. Lol. Palmer is the least of our worries. Look deeper.

Who sent out an online & media army to discredit the only candidate who wasn't involved with Russia?

"Money & Media" put Russia in the White House.

[shanny]

44. lol

[Quayblue]

47. lol nt

[Agschmid]

11. #FakeNews

[Bernardo de La Paz]

61. CNN and Isikoff are fake news to you? Please do not conveyer belt RW talking point to DU. . . nt

[Agschmid]

67. Deal with it.

[NBachers]

75. That's the response that earned you an "Ignore." I've dealt with it.

[Agschmid]

78. Lol.

Yup because it’s me that’s the problem... not the people who chase after every damn whim on Twitter.

You know what else is a problem? People that can’t handle someone who disagrees with them, and chooses to ignore them instead. If what you wanted was an echo chamber you’ve achieved your goal.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

77. I am. In the meantime, read the DU Terms of Service.

(no I have not alerted.)

[Agschmid]

80. Ive read them, many times.

Nothing I’ve said here is a violation of them.

[Wwcd]

13. This is key: "..provided this voter data to the Russians"

"Mueller is seeking to prove that the Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee provided this voter data to the Russians. "


Voter Data was a high value commodity in 2015/2016.
Who else's voter data disappeared into nefarious hands, never to be seen again?
Ask Tad where his $10 million pay off came from.
Seems it never was accounted for when questioned by the FEC.
How handy of Assange to have ready some DNC dirt to cover Tad's theft when that hit the news.

The theft, the cover up & payout.
May Mueller someday haul in every single one who aided in the coup against our US govt.
Everyone who was associated with Putin's Kremlin overthrow of our US govt, whomever played in support of Russia & against our country, no matter how big or small should be in prison.
That is when this should all finally come to an end.


Really glad to see Mueller heading in this direction.
I expect he will just keep digging until those long unanswered questions are finally forced to be answered.

I know Stein will be caught in this snare of Mueller's. He misses nothing when it comes to loyalty to his country.


Thanks for posting.

[Alice11111]

39. While that appears true, and unloyal, I'm not "rigged," can be

Proven. Hell, I wish it were true. I would love to see them all rot in jail for treason, but this seems tenuous to prove.

[Wwcd]

49. I'll believe Mueller has far far more than we'll ever know & will leave no RU stone unturned

Whomever was complicit in the Russian attack on our US govt will be found out.

[Alice11111]

58. I have full confidence in him. However, just because he exposes

them, the Repub Trump mobsters, does not mean the Repubs won't undermine Mueller.

Trump exposed himself for being a pervert. Didn't matter.

They lied and discredited Hillary and believed what Fox told them. When have the masses of Repubs cared about the facts? To them, facts are what they want to believe...what Fox news tells them.

[malaise]

14. Ryan, Preibus and Walker

got practice stealing that governorship after their attacks on unions.
Lock them UP!

[Wwcd]

41. Yup

Ryan Priebus & Walker

And Stein jumped in to stop the recount/investigation that should have taken place.

May they all go down for their role.

[kentuck]

15. Is this a credible source?

Or just another "fake news"?

[HopeAgain]

55. Define credible...

If you mean does this guy do anything other than speculate based upon credible news, the answer is no.

[kentuck]

60. Are they accurate?

Are they wrong often?

[HopeAgain]

64. Snopes

https://www.snopes.com/tag/palmer-report/

[kentuck]

88. Thanks! That is helpful.

[womanofthehills]

71. Palmer always has links to other sources

Check him out and decide for yourself.

[Mc Mike]

16. But no PA? rec, nt

[Hoyt]

32. More hopeful BS from Palmer.

[jodymarie aimee]

38. I live in Wisconsin

and Palmer's been fucking with us for a year now...not a good source....you don't think we don't WANT to believe his stuff..never pans out. I learned the hard way not to pass his stuff on....

[shanny]

42. Squirrel!

That's gonna be my response to all reports of Big News and Major Developments....unless it comes directly from Mueller or court reports.

[cstanleytech]

46. 40 years ago this would have been treason, my how times have changed.

[Wwcd]

62. I agree. In the end we will find out what Mueller has on the traitors & how he brings them down.

Until then its a waiting & a definate learning game for many of us.

Just wish the end of all this would begin to happen soon. Like today.

[Dopers_Greed]

48. Voter/voting data would have had to be manipulated for it to be rigged

Is there any evidence that voter/voting data was manipulated?

While what they did is shady and probably illegal, Palmer is overhyping things to get traffic.

[Wwcd]

57. Who isn't hyping to get traffic? Doesn't discredit what he is reporting.

Hyping for "likes", for traffic is what online is about.
Look what Russia did to our social media, as well as every player with an agenda.

"Money & Media". Some even admitted it.

Doesn't mean all bloggers, & twitterers are liars.
During the campaign MSM admitted they took stories that were trending on social media because of their popularity, not necessarily for their credibility.

It's up to the reader anymore & anyone who has consistantly run roughshod over, stuck their necks out & reported of the critical dangers of Russia in our election knowing they would be piled on by the discrediting brigade of Kremlin protectors, have my full attention at this point.

MSM was as complicit as any of the independent bloggers.
So wtf do ya do?

[bucolic_frolic]

65. There are independent investigations of vote rigging going on

One's been posting on Twitter ... they didn't understand yet why hundreds of thousands of Pennsylvanians were changing their voter registration in the 8 weeks before the election. It's unusual to say the least. Pennsylvanians usually change parties for the primaries because they can only vote in and for candidates of the party of their registration.

But other voting patterns are emerging. How did Trump squeak out wins in three states by tiny amounts, in places where voters rarely vote. This election was decided in several rural counties, many visited by the Trump campaign or the candidate. Simply that personal buzz that wowed voters? The voters who never pay attention and rarely vote?

Another way of looking at it:

Link to tweet

[leanforward]

68. This act or pattern is interesting.

In PA, how do you go about changing your voter registration party? Has any of the voting citizens of PA stepped up and stated they didn't switch. I'm looking for a clue that it was the voter and not some action that happened at the polling station.

Dumb question. Does your party affiliation mean your voting document is straight GOP? If so, these voters were like sheep to slaughter.

I know that some states have a straight party ticket. Others are name only and no party affiliation.

pRezident dRumpf has to go.

[bucolic_frolic]

70. Straight

No you can vote for anyone, but in the primaries you must vote within your party, no crossover voting. But you can change party affiliation up to I think 30 or 60 days before the primary, so you can vote against the other party's candidate if you choose.

[MichMan]

89. Most of those who changed probably did so for the primary

I wonder since Hillary was essentially a lock, if most of those changed party affiliations were Democratic crossover votes for Trump thinking he would be a weak candidate. Or Repubs that wanted to vote for Bernie just to screw with Hillary ?

Then of course they would change back before the election even though it didn't matter

[L. Coyote]

69. Good points. We already knew Republicans fix elections. Then this happened.

And we are supposed to what, NOT be suspicious?






Who remembers 2004, when a 1.5% red shift nationally in exit polls was totally alarming. Now triple that raises no alarm bells??

[shanny]

74. Does anybody else think that the fixation on RussiaRussiaRussia

is counter-productive to more important issues? Like gerrymandering and voter suppression of all types, including the new Jim Crow? Scott Walker "won" election in WI, and in the recall, and control of the legislature and supreme court long before Russia got involved.

This crap has been going on in important locales since AT LEAST 2000 and nothing has been done and our fearless leaders have barely said a peep.

[BumRushDaShow]

92. There are a number of cases in court right now regarding gerrymandering

including here in PA (in both state and federal courts). The most recent update here in PA just a few days ago was this (including a ruling from a GOP state lower court judge) -

<...>

Brobson wrote that the Democratic voters challenging the map had shown that the Legislature’s Republican majority leaders used partisan considerations when they drew the plan in 2011, and that it favored Republicans in some of Pennsylvania’s 18 congressional districts.

However, Brobson said the plaintiffs have not spelled out a standard for a court to determine whether the 2011 map “crosses the line between permissible partisan considerations and unconstitutional partisan gerrymandering under the Pennsylvania Constitution.”

Meanwhile, a separate lawsuit challenging Pennsylvania’s congressional map is pending in federal court in Philadelphia after a three-judge panel there heard arguments this month.

https://whyy.org/articles/no-proof-pa-congressional-map-unconstitutional-judge-says/

The PA state Supreme Court will have a hearing on this in January now that they have the lower court's opinion (and the PA Supreme court is now majority Democrat).

There was also a LBN thread on DU about the Michigan cases here - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141946070

[shanny]

102. Yeah, I know. Court cases.

Which by their nature are filed after the fact and take YEARS to resolve.

And the efforts they are making don't inspire confidence, on their face: the judge "...said the plaintiffs have not spelled out a standard for a court to determine whether the 2011 map “crosses the line between permissible partisan considerations and unconstitutional partisan gerrymandering...." (my bold)

And that's just gerrymandering. What about all the other techniques of vote caging, voter roll purging, shorting Democratic precincts of time and/or voting machines, voter ID crap....

This BS has been going on IN PLAIN SIGHT since 2000 AT LEAST and all we ever do (seems to me) is token resistance (hand-wringing) after the fact. Where are our leaders on this? Where is the moral outrage at the unfairness / dishonesty / unconstitutionality of it all? Is there anyone I have missed pounding the bully pulpit, raising a stink or digging in their heels?

Srlys, WTF?

[BumRushDaShow]

103. ????

All of what you are describing has and will continue going on because "our side" tends to sit out elections when it matters. Then "their side" stacks the state legislative branches and puts in all the draconian ALEC laws. There is nothing that a "leader" can do about this.

HOWEVER what CAN be done about this is what you saw was done in Alabama and Virginia as an example. Literal grassroots efforts to get people what they need and get them to the polls to elect OUR people so that WE can start ditching the crap.

They can't do it from the "national" level. "Pounding a podium" and "bully pulpit" is ridiculous. It has to start down at the state and local levels like getting people registered to vote, finding candidates to run against Republicans who have never had a challenger, etc....and it is happening, but it will take some time. Tip O'Neill famously said "All politics is local" and he was right.

And as Joe Madison oft-says on his radio broadcast - what are YOU going to do about it? Stop looking at someone else and YOU get involved in your locality to make change. There are groups who are setup (like Indivisible) to help.

[shanny]

104. Oh OK. Blame the voters. Problem solved.

Bye.

[BumRushDaShow]

106. Okay ignore everything I wrote and continue to whine on the sidelines. nt

[Kaleva]

76. Even Snopes.com doesn't think highly of the Palmer Report.

The Palmer Report article is based in part on an article in the New York Daily Intelligencer which in turn is based on an article in Yahoo News.

Bill Palmer writes this:

"Now we’re learning that Mueller is specifically investigating Trump, the Republican Party, and Russia for their roles in conspiring to rig multiple key swing states in the 2016 election."

In the linked New York magazine article, this is said:

"Mueller’s team is trying to determine if members of the Trump campaign and Republican National Committee, who worked together on the digital arm of Trump’s campaign, provided assistance to Russian trolls attempting to influence voters. It’s the latest scare for Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner, who managed the digital campaign and has already come under scrutiny by the special counsel for his foreign contacts. "

http://amp.nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/12/mueller-probing-whether-trump-team-aided-russian-trolls.html

No mention of Trump himself.

Here's is what the Yahoo News article says:

"n just the last few weeks, his prosecutors have begun questioning Republican National Committee staffers about the party digital operation that worked with the Trump campaign to target voters in key swing states. They are seeking to determine if the joint effort was related to the activities of Russian trolls and bots aimed at influencing the American electorate, according to two of the sources.

In what is potentially another ominous sign for the White House, the lawyer for Jared Kushner, the president’s son in law and senior adviser who was in charge of the campaign’s digital operation, recently began searching for a crisis public relations firm to handle press inquiries — a step frequently taken by people who believe they may be facing criminal charges."

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mueller-probe-outgrows-witch-hunt-phase-100045988.html

Again, no mention of Trump.

And interestingly, while Jared Kushner has a prominent place in both the New York magazine's article and Yahoo News article, he's not even mentioned even fleetingly in the Palmer Report.

[flamingdem]

83. Wonder if Jill Stein's trip around this was ultimately

a cover up

[MichMan]

84. Find Palmer to be totally lacking in credibility

Palmer had a couple articles a while back about the vote results in Detroit that could be shown to be patently untrue by a review of the official Michigan state data. I wouldn't trust anything on that site.

The fact that there are links means nothing if the links themselves are BS

[triron]

90. kick for visibility

[milestogo]

91. They rigged the loss of Russ Feingold to that idiot Ron Johnson

They not only fucked the presidency, they fucked the Senate, and they fucked the American people.

[BumRushDaShow]

93. Not just him

but here in PA with McGinty vs teabagger Toomey.

You had 3 top statewide races (state Attorney General, State Auditor General, State Treasurer) that ALL went to Democrats yet Clinton and McGinty mysteriously lost. And that was after the previous (D) state AG had to resign for perjury and other issues (and she was not only the first woman but first Democrat to be elected as PA state AG, since the position became an elected one in 1980).

[milestogo]

94. And with those two we would have 50 Senate seats instead of 48.

[BumRushDaShow]

96. Yup

[triron]

98. yeah and soon 51

[L. Coyote]

99. MO Senate exit polls show over 10% more Dem votes than reported!

[triron]

100. Ron Baiman's analysis also showed a 10.7% deviation for the presidential election

http://www.cpegonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Unexplained-Patterns-in-2016-and-Earlier-U.S.-Elections.pdf

[regnaD kciN]

101. Palmer Report is questionable, but is this a surprise...?

We're not talking about "rigging" Michigan and Wisconsin by hacking into the machinery and changing vote totals (which would be big news), but by microtargeting campaign materials posing as news stories. A) that's been done, on a less-sophisticated basis, by campaigns for years now, B) is not in itself illegal (taking in-kind campaign contributions from a foreign power would be), and C) is something we've known about for many weeks now.

[MineralMan]

105. Yeah, more speculation from Palmer.

Guesswork is his thing.