As DUers how (or will) you respond to your own pro-45 friends, family,

[BigmanPigman]

etc. who have been praising and supporting him when he, his admin., and the RNC/GOP are found guilty of treason by Mueller? Will you say, "I told you so", not say anything, or keep the relationships open (forgive and forget their past political opinions)? If your relationships were ended over this fake prez, will you keep the ties severed? I am curious since I am going to have to deal with this issue myself.

[thbobby]

1. My neighbor's son

My neighbor is 70 years old. And sort of racist. Not a blatant hater, but still racist. His son, about 30, loves Trump. I consider him too stupid to reason with.

However, he has a daughter with serious medical problems. Walmart just cut his weekly hours to 32 (he works in auto and know his trade) and he lost his insurance.

I am tempted to tell him about GOP war on worker's rights. Or how CHIP could help him if the GOP funded it. Or how the ACA would provide him with insurance (the sign-up time has been cut in half by Trump so he may be unable to get it this year. Or perhaps ever.).

He is in a horrible bind. His daughter's medical expenses (she needs repeated surgery because her cranial cavity is not growing fast enough) will bankrupt him and I doubt he can get the care she needs. I have no idea how he can handle this.

Talking to him about the GOP would be rubbing his face in a horrible tragedy. And would be useless anyway. I am confident he will find a way to blame black people (seriously!).

[Skittles]

4. forget about his Trump Humping status and think of his daughter

give him all the advice you can regarding his medical healthcare situation

we are Democrats - we still have our HUMANITY

[thbobby]

7. I have told him about CHIP

And also talked to his dad about ACA. I am hesitant to talk about much to him as he did not tell me about his situation and I only overheard him talking to his dad about it. I believe his dad will tell him what I said. If I had a suggestion that I knew would work I would tell him, but I am at loss. I do feel bad for him.

[Skittles]

15. I got a Trump humper aquaintance to sign up for ACA

he was laid off recently and the stress is causing him health problems....I told him, you can go to the doctor in January WITH INSURANCE.......I know it is hard to deal with these people - he is still convinced Trump will be some kind of savior

[Alice11111]

28. Yeah, I agree, Skittles.

[Ms. Toad]

19. 32 hours is full time under the ACA.

If they only cut his hours to 32, he is still entitled to insurance via Walmart. If they cut him to below 32 hours, losing his health insurance is a triggering event that creates a special enrollment period. It is generally 60 days, but you aren't tied to the generic open enrollment period if you lose insurance because your hours were cut, you were divorced, etc. I.e. he didn't just blow off the open enrollment period - he wasn't eligible for some portion of the generic open enrollment

If his daughter is disabled by her medical condition, she may be eligible for Medicaid or Medicare (depending on work status)

[thbobby]

21. Thank you

I will pass this along to him. I am still unsure about exact details because I only overheard part of this. His dad has told me a little more but dealing with him is difficult. He is old and has had a slight stroke. But I will get this information to his son some way.

[thbobby]

22. Just talked to my neighbor

His name is Jerry. He is going to talk to his son and have him call me. Thank you for the information!

[Ms. Toad]

23. Good!

I have a chronically ill kid, so I try to stay abreast of all of the openings/rights. She now also a boyfriend with a chronic illness (who ignored the open enrollment period - so we're scheming to figure out how to make sure he has health insurance).

[thbobby]

25. Ms. Toad you rock!

Just want to say I love DU and the people here. I see a real chance to help out some people in a lot of need. I help my neighbor a lot, trying to get him on Medicaid, getting him a Tracphone, as well as taking him and his wife (she is wheelchair bound) to the doctor, grocery shopping etc.

I will keep posting on this as progress is made.

[rusty quoin]

2. I would say think what you think. I cannot change anything.

And I would say happy holidays just at the right time.

The people there are fox people. Forget about changing them,
and don’t worry about it. They are fixed.

[BigmanPigman]

3. I think I could manage that.

Maybe I will just send a store bought, generic "Happy Holiday" card in the future and keep communications limited to that. It is better for my own health and sanity.

[herding cats]

5. Legally were not at war, so no treason.

How would I respond to the people I used to be friends with if Mueller presents a damning report on more people in the Republican network including indictments (perhaps, if I dare imagine it, even Trump)? The same as I do now.

I’ll keep them blocked on social media and from my phone and enjoy some happy times with my more thoughtful peers and friends. Who are already a mix of Democrats and a few sane Republicans who see what’s taking place.

At work I’ll probably just smile a lot more. Much like I did when Obama was elected, twice. Those were good times. 🙂

[politicaljunkie41910]

6. I have a sister who votes GOP and she even liked Trump on The Apprentice. But President Trump

was even too much for her to deal with. She says she wrote in Kasich's name.

[duforsure]

8. Already happening

Have numerous friends already saying they messed up voting for this idiot. One much younger friend who while we were out eating one day got into a very heated debate at our table, and I respected his views, and he mine, ended to agree we disagree. He called me the other day saying you were right, this guys a crook like we've never seen before, and he said he had realized he was taken, conned, and lied to, and how unfit for office he really was, and I just said I was glad and left it at that. He really is a nice guy, and smart, and caring but he finally saw how deranged, and crazy, and bad this guy is. He also said his family had seen the light too. Others I know have done the same thing, especially now that some are losing their health care, and some will see more skyrocketing costs, and one sees they want to destroy SS , which is on his list, the opposite of what he said. Their tax scam has gotten many stirred up against them now. Very unpopular, people getting pennies while they are getting millions.

[BigmanPigman]

10. Wow, what a change! This gives me hope for the midterms.

I hope it is contagious.

[TEB]

9. My brothers in laws

Seriously trump cult members and to quote his sister in law she loves her trump. I jokingly told my brother hope they don’t pull a Jonestown if it is looking that way. Grab your dog and get out of the house. Then I added calling 911 for them is totally optional on your part.

[Tavarious Jackson]

11. I divorced them forever nt

[Girard442]

12. Another DUer (sorry, forgot who) said that when Trump arrived the masks came off.

When you've seen what lies beneath the mask, putting it back on solves nothing. I'd like to see the Trumpers recognize what they did and some acts of genuine contrition and attempts to make amends.

I'm not holding my breath.

[Alice11111]

38. That's the truth. Racism, immoral attitudes toward the refugees,

hideous greed...all are the new PC now.

[NCTraveler]

13. It will only be mentioned if they bring it up. nt.

[mreilly]

14. When the RNC/GOP are found guilty...

.... these people will be screaming it's all fake news, it's a coup to overthrow the duly-elected leader of the country, the Democrats are sore losers, libtard snowflake butthurt DERP DERP DERP.

Guaranteed they won't acknowledge the fact their side was found guilty because they ARE guilty.

No, it's all fake, it's meanie Democrats, But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary But Hillary.

So, my best advice is to not bother engaging with them at all since you just read exactly what they'll say.

Smile, drink some champagne, and gloat in their angst.

Oh, and don't waste time thinking they'll regret voting for Trump. EVER.

[Different Drummer]

16. This. n/t

[Alice11111]

29. I expect the same. Some of my fam are angry, pious

Trumpsters. They don't even believe the Access Hollywood tapes. They read Bill O'Reilly. They think they aren't bigots because they like Netanyahu.

They will never believe Mueller. They think he is staffed with leftists Hillary donors.

They can explain away anything by blaming Obama and Hillary. I don't talk much to them. It is mutually uncomfortable. There is no mutual respect.

[LeftishBrit]

34. I always think that if the whole world goes up in a gigantic mushroom cloud..

the last words of the Republicans will be: "But her E-MAILS!!!'

[Alice11111]

35. Truly

[egold2604]

47. no, their last words will be The Rapture. Thank you Jeebus

[mercuryblues]

17. Already doing it

I just smile.

I was talking to my aunt, who has cooled down on trump loving. She brought up North Korea. I just said I wake up every morning fearing he started a war over a twitter spat. She brought up how NK has been a problem forever. (their favorite talking point) Yup and all and I mean all previous presidents have kept him contained. Again, I don't want my kid fighting a war over a twitter spat. She shut up.

[PragmaticDem]

18. I will probably just wait to see how they react.

My mother's brother was a "reluctant" Trump supporter, so I will torture him over it. My uncles on my father side are just too crazy to engage.

[Deb]

20. I have asked them to please not get too attached to trump

I will probably tell them I'm sorry that they became attached to him. Life is too short for much more than that.

[Blue_true]

24. I have no friends or family that support Trump. nt

[gopiscrap]

26. they are dead to me

wouldn't ever see them or talk to them again

[Alice11111]

37. Once my mom and aunt are gone (late 80s), I will be the same.

[marylandblue]

27. I'll ask them what they think, they might call it fake news.

But I hope they see the truth, then I will say, "told you so."

[Snackshack]

30. Just let it ride.

[Sneederbunk]

31. With epithets and rotting fruit.

[oberliner]

32. Don't talk about politics

Change the subject when it's brought up.

[Alice11111]

36. That's what we do. The underlying anger creates tension

over non related things. Barbs.

Just one more thing Trump has ruined.

[LeftishBrit]

33. Fortunately, I hardly know anyone who does support him..

Even my Tory friends and relatives are mostly not American Psycho fans.

[Shemp Howard]

39. I will forgive and forget.

There are people on the right who call those who disagree with them unpatriotic fools. And there are people on the left who call those who disagree with them racist fools.

I will not play that game. It can only lead to heartache. Instead I will try to gently convince my conservative friends that they hold incorrect views.

And if I fail at that, I will let it go. I will change the subject. Because they are still good people. They wish me and my family the best. And they will respond if I should call them for help at two in the morning.

I will not to equate being wrong with being evil.

[VOX]

40. My Republican brother actually wrote in Bernie Sanders on his 2016 GE ballot...

We’re in California, which went 2-1 for Hillary. He’s finally fed up with Republicanism. He liked Obama, but had trouble with Hillary. Thus the Bernie write-in.

Big brother, may you continue to separate yourself from the party of the mega-wealthy, religious extremists, white nationalists, and other assorted ideologues. You don’t belong with that pack of hate-filled crazies. Plus, you’re gay— many “good Republicans” firmly believe you should suffer eternal damnation. Some would actually like you to die immediately. So get away from that mob of idiots. Keep going, you’re almost there!

[BigmanPigman]

42. Same with my friend's mom (we live in CA).

She thought Hillary was definately going to win and wanted to make a statement. I am holding a grudge non the less! I hope people learn...NEVER ASSUME!

[VOX]

45. Not after 2000 and last year for sure!

I only found out later that my brother voted for Bernie. He said he’d never vote for Trump, so I took that to mean he was going to skip voting altogether.

That was a HUGE step for him, and I didn’t even lean on him!

[Shemp Howard]

43. Your Republican brother is a Bernie Bro! (As am I.)

Your story reinforces what I said in my post #39. Not all Republicans are bad. Not all conservatives are bad. Sure, some of them really are bad, really evil. But the majority of them are simply misguided.

To paint them all with one brush is wrong, very wrong. Instead of condemning them - or shunning them - we should be working to gently convert them.

[VOX]

44. I read your post and meant to comment...

On how nice and civil and forward-thinking it is. I try to take the high road your on, I admire that, but I admit to slipping off it about once per week.

But you’re absolutely right, not all Republicans are bad people. And yes, for the ones who can be reached, leading them gently— as if weaning someone from a cult— is an excellent approach.

Also, his write-in of Bernie, which I had no hand in, other than to talk him up a bit during the primaries, is proof that the genuine progressive message is beginning to sound good to more than just us on the left.

[Shemp Howard]

46. I will tell you a secret (just don't tell my conservative friends).

One of my hobbies is to tell conservatives that I know about Bernie. But I don't say - at first - that these ideas came from Bernie. It is amazing how much these conservatives agree with me. The rich really should pay more. Everyone is entitled to quality health care. Enough of all the foreign wars.

So yes, these pro-Trump conservatives really aren't bad people. They are just misguided. So I will not denounce them, or shun them. Instead, I will try to convert them, gently and patiently. I figure it's well worth the effort.

[Laffy Kat]

41. My only contact with 45 supporters are on a superficial level.

Co-workers and such. I've already detached myself from friends who are/were supporters. I had one girlfriend who is a Democrat but is in a serious relationship with a Trump supporter and I also unfriended her.