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RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 10:54 AM Dec 2017

BBC: "How Western Civilization Could Collapse."

Given the track record, very plausible IMO if we stay the course.

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170418-how-western-civilisation-could-collapse

"This story is featured in BBC Future’s “Best of 2017” collection. Some possible precipitating factors are already in place. How the West reacts to them will determine the world’s future, says Rachel Nuwer.

The political economist Benjamin Friedman once compared modern Western society to a stable bicycle whose wheels are kept spinning by economic growth. Should that forward-propelling motion slow or cease, the pillars that define our society – democracy, individual liberties, social tolerance and more – would begin to teeter. Our world would become an increasingly ugly place, one defined by a scramble over limited resources and a rejection of anyone outside of our immediate group. Should we find no way to get the wheels back in motion, we’d eventually face total societal collapse.

Such collapses have occurred many times in human history, and no civilisation, no matter how seemingly great, is immune to the vulnerabilities that may lead a society to its end. Regardless of how well things are going in the present moment, the situation can always change. Putting aside species-ending events like an asteroid strike, nuclear winter or deadly pandemic, history tells us that it’s usually a plethora of factors that contribute to collapse. What are they, and which, if any, have already begun to surface? It should come as no surprise that humanity is currently on an unsustainable and uncertain path – but just how close are we to reaching the point of no return?

Disaster comes when elites push society toward instability and eventual collapse by hoarding huge quantities of wealth and resources.

That economic stratification may lead to collapse on its own, on the other hand, came as more of a surprise to Motesharrei and his colleagues. Under this scenario, elites push society toward instability and eventual collapse by hoarding huge quantities of wealth and resources, and leaving little or none for commoners who vastly outnumber them yet support them with labour. Eventually, the working population crashes because the portion of wealth allocated to them is not enough, followed by collapse of the elites due to the absence of labour. The inequalities we see today both within and between countries already point to such disparities. For example, the top 10% of global income earners are responsible for almost as much total greenhouse gas emissions as the bottom 90% combined. Similarly, about half the world’s population lives on less than $3 per day.

The past can also provide hints for how the future might play out. Take, for example, the rise and fall of the Roman Empire. By the end of the 100BC the Romans had spread across the Mediterranean, to the places most easily accessed by sea. They should have stopped there, but things were going well and they felt empowered to expand to new frontiers by land. While transportation by sea was economical, however, transportation across land was slow and expensive. All the while, they were overextending themselves and running up costs."

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BBC: "How Western Civilization Could Collapse." (Original Post) RKP5637 Dec 2017 OP
"collapse of the elites due to an absence of labor." delisen Dec 2017 #1
Good point, that crossed my mind too as I read it. Labor does not have the power it once had and RKP5637 Dec 2017 #2
The 99% starve to death..or...do something about it workinclasszero Dec 2017 #5
Robots dont buy goods and services. Maven Dec 2017 #6
Already happening, since Reagan. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #3
Damn I miss George Carlin! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2017 #4

delisen

(6,046 posts)
1. "collapse of the elites due to an absence of labor."
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 11:03 AM
Dec 2017

what happens when the elites no longer need much from labor?when and if, automation and robotization severely limit the need for labor?

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
2. Good point, that crossed my mind too as I read it. Labor does not have the power it once had and
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 11:13 AM
Dec 2017

productivity continues to increase. IMO it will be chaos, as I doubt those holding the wealth and resources can be depended on to work a solution. Likely a revolution or whatever at that stage. I think, sadly, there will be significant chaos in the future.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
5. The 99% starve to death..or...do something about it
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 11:46 AM
Dec 2017

It wouldn't be the first time in world history. It takes a lot of bread and circuses and 300 million dollar lotteries to hold back change but it's coming.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
6. Robots dont buy goods and services.
Fri Dec 29, 2017, 11:56 AM
Dec 2017

The collapse of labor means the collapse of demand for goods and services, which is as essential to economic growth as productivity.

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