"Existence of UFO technology more advanced than human capabilities has been proven

[Eliot Rosewater]

beyond a reasonable doubt"


Holy flying saucer Batman!


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ufo-pentagon-beyond-reasonable-doubt-video-us-navy-tracking-pilots-footage-unidentified-flying-a8127881.html



Just in time, too. Here to save us from Trump.

[RKP5637]

1. Yep, and likely have been here for a long time. n/t

[Eliot Rosewater]

3. I get a kick out of this topic.

There are just too many examples to ignore them all and claim no such thing exists.

Unless they were extremely advanced and benevolent, one look at us and out come the Plasma Cannons.

[Irish_Dem]

4. That explains the GOP members of Congress.

Unless the aliens are the good guys and humans are the lizards.

[RKP5637]

7. Definitely the GOP'ers in congress are evil lizards. A few even look that way! n/t

[Irish_Dem]

14. I know, some don't really look human to me. nt

[RKP5637]

19. They will eventually want to eat their own citizens, Soylent Green, that is very telling. n/t

[Irish_Dem]

22. They do seem determined to pile up American dead bodies.

Cutting all social service programs and health care.
Guess it is banquet time for the lizard leaders.

[Amaryllis]

38. Turtle.

[SammyWinstonJack]

133. 'He went to Jared' looks alien to me.

[Irish_Dem]

135. Jared, McTurtle, Ryan, etc. Not from this planet.

Unless of course we are the outsiders, and they are the original Earthlings.

Maybe we have come from somewhere else to prevent Earth from blowing itself
up or turning into a total trash heap.

[Ligyron]

140. Some appear to be turtles too.

[Takket]

31. imma just leave these here........

?1478539231

[sandensea]

41. Not to mention:

Plus our favorite tortoise-like being:

[peacebuzzard]

102. In this ugly soul lineup they all win

Rotten and decayed all the way.

[mitch96]

42. Yup, keep going........

No intelligent life here...
m

[Irish_Dem]

51. When I look at GOP leaders, their faces usually look like they are melting.

So odd.

[RKP5637]

71. Gross!!! n/t

[LongTomH]

118. Times like this, I really, really miss SwampRat.

I'd love to see him work his PhotoShop magic on these humanoids.........maybe some reptilian skin, some forked tongues.

[ProudLib72]

8. Since Columbus anyway

His logs documented a submerged UFO that took off into the air.

[RKP5637]

12. Yep, I've heard that before. There is all kinds of sh** going on IMO that we are not privy to and

I think governments don't know WTF to do. Typical response, giggle and look for little green men or some asinine thing like that. Oh, another weather balloon or military dropping flares, like WTF.

[jberryhill]

28. How are "we not privy to" their existence?

They can travel the galaxy, but are helpless against government bureaucracy which keeps them from revealing themselves?

[RKP5637]

70. If you look into multiple dimensions, it is not necessary to travel the galaxy.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_time_dimensions

[ProfessorGAC]

79. If They're Time Traveling From Here. . .

. . .then they're not aliens. If they're extraterrestials, no matter the time, no matter the means of getting here, they're traveling the galaxy or between galaxies.

Besides, Berryhill's point still stands. If they have this sort of capability, how could the government possibly stop them from revealing themselves?

[RKP5637]

81. Good point: "If They're Time Traveling From Here. . . . . .then they're not aliens.

If they're extraterrestrials, no matter the time, no matter the means of getting here, they're traveling the galaxy or between galaxies."

It could be as simple as they do not choose to reveal themselves. If real, I often think it could be just exploratory probes, much as we investigate space, but they are further ahead. Now, could it be interdimensional probes ... I certainly don't know.

Yes, Berryhill made a very good point! My guess is if real, it's likely just probes, and perhaps have no interest whatsoever in an earth dialogue.

[ProfessorGAC]

83. They Can Talk To Us. . .

. . .if we want to be pets! I talk to my pets all the time!

[RKP5637]

85. LOL!!! And my cat loves me. So do I, I've always talked to mine. Hmmm.... perhaps they will

talk to us, but I don't want to be called fluffy!

[ProfessorGAC]

87. LOL! Back To You!

I have a big mustache so, they can call me Whiskers, i guess.

[RKP5637]

88. Ha, yep, definitely! My hair is often fluffy, so I guess I'm stuck with fluffy!

[Irish_Dem]

139. What about the PRIME DIRECTIVE??

They cannot interfere.

[RKP5637]

141. Always follow the PRIME DIRECTIVE!

[Irish_Dem]

143. It was good enough for Jean Luc, good enough for me. :)

[lindysalsagal]

150. "He's dead, Jim."

[Irish_Dem]

152. Classic line from Bones, who didn't have a wide script repertoire.

I like "Make it so." (Jean Luc)

[lindysalsagal]

159. "I'm a doctor, not an escalator!"

http://www.st-minutiae.com/humor/doctorisms.html

[Irish_Dem]

161. That was a good line to, I'm a doctor, not a ___________.

[Irish_Dem]

138. Maybe they have revealed themselves in indirect ways.

We have not yet blown up the planet with nukes, and given human nature
this seems odd.

[ProfessorGAC]

154. Why Would They Care?

Nukes are global at most.
They're interstellar

[jberryhill]

84. Would you care to answer the question?

Wikipedia is great. So was getting several degrees in engineering and physics.

Now, how is it possible for the US government to be hiding them?

[RKP5637]

86. Did you see #81. I think IMO that's more likely. n/t

[Irish_Dem]

137. So another dimension could be three feet away from us, but we cannot see the

inhabitants. Perhaps they vibrate at a higher lever, like an airplane propeller, we can see it when it is spinning.

[RKP5637]

142. Actually about the same space at the same time in theoretical physics! n/t

[Irish_Dem]

144. Wow, occupying the same space at the same time. Wow.

That is neat....

Wonder who these inhabitants are?

[ProudLib72]

145. I'm disappointed in you

How can you follow Sci Fi and not know about parallel universes? For shame!

We are the inhabitants. Parallel versions of ourselves. There might even be a version where tRump decided against hair plugs and orange spray tan!

[Irish_Dem]

147. Yes but I didn't know it was the same time and space as us.

And I also think there are other inhabitants in these spaces...
you know, the leprechauns, angels and lock ness monster.
They come in from time to time via a worm hole of sorts.

Yes maybe there is a parallel universe where humans make a lot of good choices.

[ProudLib72]

149. Have you watched the movie version of The Mist?

Now there are some monsters from another dimension!

When I was a teenager, my parents and I took a trip to Scotland. We went to Loch Ness, of course. There is a loch adjoining Loch Ness (forget the name). It's said to have its own monster, and it is somewhat connected to Loch Ness. Anyway, there was a windsurf rental place on its shores. I was big into windsurfing at the time, so I rented one. I had to wear a dry suit (the one and only time I ever wore a dry suit). I remember getting on the board and taking off. The bottom dropped away, and all that was below me was very, very dark, deep, and cold water. Anything could have been lurking in it! Let me tell you, I freaked out. I think I lasted maybe an hour before the psychological strain was too much. Being alone on a windsurfer with nothing but a dry suit between you and a prehistoric monster is quite different from being safe on the shore surrounded by your family.

[Irish_Dem]

151. No I have not seen this movie, will look for it.

Yes, I don't think I would want to be windsurfing by myself in Lock Ness territory.

My Irish grandmother swore leprechauns were real.
She gave her grandchildren specific instructions about what to do
when they saw one. So I am up to speed on leprechaun sightings.
But have no idea what to do if one sees a Lock Ness type monster.
Except run for it, or swim for it as the case maybe.

[ProudLib72]

153. Here's the trailer for the movie

It was the damned military messing around trying to break through into other dimensions. They let the monsters through.

[Irish_Dem]

155. Looks perfect for tonight. I am making a pot of chili and a scary movie

would be great.

I will see if I can find it online.

That is how the Lizard people (GOP) must have gotten here.
The darn military let them in accidentally.

[RKP5637]

164. At "about" the same time ... here's an interesting read.

http://www.iflscience.com/physics/physicist-predicts-parallel-universes-overlap-and-interact/

[Irish_Dem]

167. Wow. The parallel worlds interact on a quantum level.

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I hate to think what we are doing to other realities right now.

[RKP5637]

168. We're probably somehow banned!

[Irish_Dem]

169. Yep, yellow police tape around our quadrant. nt

[RKP5637]

170. ...

[RKP5637]

82. Please see #81, just my thoughts. You make a good point! n/t

[hatrack]

90. Makes me think of "Signs" . . .

Beings capable of interstellar flight prepare to invade Earth, but have to use crop circles to navigate.

[Irish_Dem]

136. Maybe they have, and we have not figured it out yet.

Pretty remarkable that some of our elected leaders are not corrupt and greedy.
Pretty remarkable that we have not yet nuked the planet.
I could go on, but you get the drift.

[yuiyoshida]

101. Some where Art Bell is Smiling

[RKP5637]

103. Yeah, I really liked Art Bell. His show continues with Heather Wade, but I always like Art Bell. n/t

[Sugarcoated]

129. Art Bell is a Trump guy all the way

A complete fan boy.

[yuiyoshida]

134. link?

[Sugarcoated]

163. It's pretty much all he posts on his fb page

https://www.facebook.com/ArtBell66

[Ferrets are Cool]

2. LOL or put us out of our misery....ya never know.nm

[RKP5637]

5. Maybe we need a help button, like the "help I've fallen down ad!" They can't hear us over Trump

bellowing!

[Eliot Rosewater]

6. Time to watch this again

[RKP5637]

9. That, is a great movie! n/t

[Eliot Rosewater]

10. Hear the pilot say "there's a whole fleet of them"

Jesus H

this is such huge news

[RKP5637]

15. Just 2 days or so ago. I've always hoped something major like this would happen in my lifetime ...

... but imagine them saying, "take us to your leader!" Ha, what leader. We had best hope it happens in the UK, Germany or someplace where they have real leaders. Russia is off the list!

[greytdemocrat]

34. I've seen/heard this too.

Will be exciting when they finally
reveal themselves to all of Earth.

[inanna]

17. Contact was a terrific movie.

NO fear mongering, same with ET and Close Encounters.

Compare that to "Signs" starring Mel Gibson (terrible movie,IMO).

[RKP5637]

20. Yep!!! n/t

[Oneironaut]

11. The concept of humans fighting aliens and winning is pretty humorous.

If a hostile alien race decides to attack us, we would probably be to them as ants are to us. They’d say, “That’s so cute” before utterly annihilating us.

[Eliot Rosewater]

13. Pilot says there is a whole fleet of them, moving faster than anything humans have.

I would say we might be in for a big surprise, and can you just imagine dumbshit trying to deal with a superior race?

I mean a group of 12 yr old Cub Scouts are a superior race to him, but an actual superior being? oh lord

[Takket]

33. drumpf will tweet them to death

FAILING Klingon invasion force already in retreat. We love our veterans! Crooked Hillary made the Steele dossier with them. Shoot her into space! So much winning! #MEGA (Make earth great again)

[Stuart G]

46. Yes, ..dumbshit could not deal with a superior alien race. But I want to talk about aliens.

Yes, I believe they have been here and there. Honestly, I do.

But, like in one episode of Star Trek, (both original, and Next Generation) the aliens have decided to avoid lower levels of intelligence.. not get involved in their development (that is the development of the human race, that is.... us)... Get it together the aliens said in a famous 1950s movie where they landed on earth . The alien and his robot, warned us not to mess around with nuclear weapons. What was that movie?? (it was, "The Day The Earth Stood Still)..because of advanced technology..this computer..it took 5 seconds to get it by searching with google ..for "famous sci fi movies"...5 seconds. It would have taken an hour at a library maybe 40 years ago.

So they aliens AVOID US WHY? if the aliens have advanced that far, they are likely to have some kind of rules of involvement with societies of "lesser levels of development" It goes with the territory of space travel. (at speeds necessary to travel within the galaxy)

Now let us not get out of ourselves fellow DUers...That kind of attitude is not beyond our own thinking. The human race has been developing for maybe the last 200,000 thousand years.. Hell I don't know...but we have been moving along for a long time. Say in your minds, if we could go back in time, say 10,000 of those years, or even 5000, do you think it would be a good idea to interfere with the development of Egyptian Society? Or early societies in Asia? Or in Syria?... Yes, just 5000 years ago, humans had not developed beyond building by hand and with animals. No methods of modern communication and little understanding of what we call science. Just 5000 years of human development has brought about the machines which I am typing on right now. I watched Star Trek in the 70s, and never thought I would have a hand held communicator, that could double as a computer as well as a HUGE...VERY HUGE ..library.. That is in the last 45 years..

Now let's imagine some kind of advanced alien race, say just 5000 years ahead of us. Should that group get involved in our development? Give us more info to do whatever we could do? Or kind of leave us alone and monitor us, to see how destructive we will become?

Would it be wise, if there were some way..to go back in time, just 2000 years, to save the Roman Empire from its downfall. Help them out sort to speak?...give them some help..and increase human development to some higher level..(so we could destroy our planet sooner)...or just leave it all alone, and let it develop as it will develop. Hoping for the good, and not the evil ....

And why is it so impossible that somewhere on some planet not real far away..(whatever that is) the advanced species that thinks intelligently, scientifically, and with some level of kindness, has developed just 5000 years ahead of us? Would that species really want to get involved with a leader like Mr. Trump?
...Yes, the last leader made a lot of sense, Mr. Obama....but how could those people on earth pick a total idiot like Mr. Trump?...that alien species would think..that planet has a way to go. Yes, Mr. Obama looked good and maybe we could deal with him the aliens would think. But why get rid of him and put in an idiot, stupid human like Mr. Trump?.. or Mr Putin for that matter...............

The alien intelligent species would be wise to stay away from earth. Maybe when those "humans" get it together in another 1000 years. Then, they will contact the humans......maybe....???????????

[Oneironaut]

53. Also, we may be too dumb to understand their technology.

Imagine trying to explain how a smart phone works to a squirrel. It would be kind of like that. Sci-fi always assumes that aliens are all like humans (except slightly different). The differences might be so large that any form of communication would be impossible in the first place.

Secondly - aliens might see how we treat each other and say, "No thanks, I'll pass!" They might see our tendency to kill each other and the planet as laughably stupid.

[RKP5637]

78. IMO it is likely we could not even comprehend them in mental or physical from. Humans, for

the most part IMO, often think of anything extraterrestrial as being somewhat like humans, and everything seems to be viewed through those spectacles. I don't have the link now, but I did read someplace once that it is likely an extraterrestrial visitor could be about one billion years more advanced that humans. We have a massive ego, I doubt they would be very much interested in humans or earth.

[Corvo Bianco]

106. We anthropomorphize evvvvverything of a high order.

You ever heard of this God fellow? He's a bro with a belly button!

[Oneironaut]

111. lol Yup!

The Biblical God is so human that it’s funny. He’s a jealous, murderous, angry human!

[Pachamama]

55. +1000

Completely Agree with your comments here...

[Eliot Rosewater]

95. I have thought the same, that after studying us and seeing we still operate

almost entirely in "flight or fight" mode and many of us are as dumb as rocks, see republicans, that they are smart not to engage with us unless they have to.

[RKP5637]

21. hmmmmm ... maybe Trump is a weaponized human! They've attacked us! n/t

[csziggy]

32. Did you ever watch the series Brain Dead?

I think it is telling it was cancelled after Nov 8, 2016.

[RKP5637]

72. Ha, definitely, eating the brains of politicians. n/t

[ProfessorGAC]

89. Case In Point

While i enjoyed the action packed pace, and the Smith/Goldblum interaction, i was annoyed by the fact that an interstellar society would need to come to 1500 off the ground to fire their weapons, instead of doing it from 100,000 miles out.

If they're plan was to annihilate, they could have done it from half way to the moon and wasted all the cities and the vast majority of people. Then invaded, with no way to stop them.

I know it's sci-fi and i'm being nitpicky, but wanted to jump on with your point.

[Oneironaut]

112. I assume youre talking about Independence Day. Thats what I thought of too.

I love how the aliens in that fire “dumb” lasers that go 1 mile per hour. A real hostile alien race’s weapons would take everyone out before they even knew what was happening.

[gay texan]

16. Finally warp drive!!!!! N/t

[XRubicon]

18. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

This ain't it...

[paleotn]

44. Bingo

[Archae]

23. Another horseshit story dug out of the garbage...

I saw an interview with the head of "MUFON," the Mutual UFO Network, one of the largest flying saucer groups out there.

And he's disgusted, just about everyone and their mothers has cell phones with cameras, yet to date, nothing more than the usual blobs of light that could be anything are touted as "proof."

And Photoshop buffs are creating UFO videos that put even the "best real" UFO videos and films to shame.

Face it, flying saucers are the fairy stories of post-WW2.

[Kirk Lover]

25. Agreed, they are the stuff of fairy tales....for now. nt

[yallerdawg]

27. I smell the seeds of another distraction.

Just when we thought Americans couldn't be more stupid (see Nov 2016)...

[bathroommonkey76]

65. Have you

ever tried taking a pic of something in the sky with a cellphone camera? Take yours out tomorrow and let's see how many good pics you have on your device. First you should try taking a pic of a plane in the daytime - then find some stars at night. I'd guarantee that your pics will come out as blurry unusable snaps.

I have a low end Canon with HD video and I still have problems shooting the night sky.

Take a look at the military video again and all you'll see is a black dot moving across the sky- you'd think the US military would have state of the art cameras on its aircrafts.

[tymorial]

126. Yes and everyone just always has their phone ready to take a picture.

Phones setup to take video and pictures in seconds with perfect resolution.

I rarely get my phone ready in time to take pictures of my daughter doing something adorable or the odd wild animal that comes into my yard.

These arguments drive me nuts

[bathroommonkey76]

131. A phone's camera has ZERO

zooming capabilities. I'm sure you could take a pic of a UFO if it was on selfie mode and right behind you. lol

Btw what did you say "yes" to?

[tymorial]

132. The yes was an agreement to your post

Though I have also tried to take a picture of the sky at night so it works there too.


I can see how the yes standing out there didnt make sense. 😃

[bathroommonkey76]

158. Sorry, I don't believe you

I have three expensive phones. And none of them can take a decent pic of anything at night unless it's closeup.

[tymorial]

162. No, you misunderstood.

The yes could be applied to the fact that you can't take a decent photo of the night sky and your larger point.

[Beaverhausen]

92. Care to share a link to that interview?

My husband is a MUFON field investigator. They know 95% of the reports are known objects or fakes, but there is a small number that can’t be explained.

[Archae]

96. Yet.

[LanternWaste]

93. No mountain is climbable until someone climbs it.

No mountain is climbable until someone climbs it. Til then, its dark-side peaks are a simplistic myth, allowing us to better mock those who pretend different than we.

But yet, we all of us choose every day to be constrained by your little fairy stories (yes Virginia, even you); telling ourselves that mythical red and blue lines on a map dictate who is more important than whom, who gets what and when, and sleep-walk through life pretending it's All Very Real, as we point at and mock others for doing the very same.

Fairy stories, indeed.

[USALiberal]

119. WTH are you talking about? n/t

[Eliot Rosewater]

110. So that is not a DOD video?

If it is you are saying the DOD is bullshit and garbage.

If it is a hoax video, then I want to know.

CNN Says it is real video



http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2017/12/19/ufo-department-of-defense-orig-lon-ak.cnn


I sure hope none of our skeptics here believe in a god, now THAT would be fucking funny

[brooklynite]

123. OMG!

It’s “unidentifiable”!

[TreasonousBastard]

24. "PUT ON THE GLASSES!" Best fight scene ever, and oh, so fitting.

[Dave Starsky]

73. Either put on these glasses...

Or start eating that trash can.

[Cattledog]

26. Imaginary beings for the easily led masses.

[captain queeg]

29. Seems more likely than not.

Imagine what natives of a few hundred years ago, or even the most advanced civilization of the time, would think of us as we are today. Our race really hasn’t been around very long at all.

Maybe they see trump and will step in and save us but I doubt it. I’m sure if we have any hard evidence they’d keep it from trump. He couldn’t keep a secret to save his miserable life. He’d have to brag about it somehow.

[Xolodno]

30. I enjoy these threads.....

1. On one hand, were wondering why in the hell we haven't contacted, been contacted or observed evidence of possible advanced intelligence in another possible solar system. Surely we should have intercepted something by now....

2. Then we shit on anything that may say we might have been visited by an advanced alien technology...because our technology says its impossible at this time.

As for me personally, I take the depressing route, we may very well be the only advanced civilization to make it this far in our observable area.

[Vogon_Glory]

36. I suspect there might have been other advanced civilizations BUT

they probably perished for the one or more of the same reasons that threaten to do in our civilization.

Besides, considering how abominably humans behave to other species, who’d want to let us loose on the rest of the galaxy?

[Takket]

35. just curious... cause i watched this for the first time just now.......

why does the pilot say there are a "whole fleet of them" when he's clearly tracking one object? or are there more maybe in his field of vision but not the camera's?

and where is the rest of the video? he's tracking a UFO and turns the camera off? lol

[Glorfindel]

37. I believe they don't care if we know they're there. Their only purpose is quarantine patrol

to make sure the killer apes don't escape into the rest of the galaxy.

[keithbvadu2]

39. Maybe they just brag about being intelligent.

Maybe they just brag about being intelligent.
.

[keithbvadu2]

40. Intelligent enough that they do not bother with us.

Out in space two alien forms are speaking with each other.

The first spaceman says, "The dominant life forms on the
earth planet have developed satellite-based weapons."

The second alien, who looks exactly like the first, asks,
"Are they an emerging intelligence?"

The first spaceman says, "I don't think so...They have them
aimed at themselves."

[Stuart G]

48. Please see post 46...I agree with you but take a more scientific view..

take a look at post 46

[keithbvadu2]

76. Science? This is the Trump administration.

[Kaleva]

43. Belief in UFOs is like the belief in God

It's a matter of faith that one or the other actually exists.

[Skittles]

52. I find it hard to believe

that *WE* are ALL THERE IS

[Kaleva]

59. We may not well be all there is

but Earth being visited by alien life forms is another matter. Despite thousands of years of human observation here on Earth, no definitive proof of the existence of advanced UFO technology has ever been produced.

[Skittles]

60. I'm sure they would have no idea how to evade detection

[Kaleva]

61. Just like God

[Skittles]

67. refer to #45

[Kaleva]

69. Your belief that UFOs are visiting Earth is based entirely on faith.

[meadowlander]

121. Not really.

Intelligent life evolved on at least one planet that we know about and there are at least 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets in the observable universe (and likely many more). The universe has been around for about 13.5 billion years with life on earth existing for only the last 25% of that time. The odds that the same circumstances that led to intelligent life on earth occurring on another planet prior to it occurring on earth, and that life developing technology that would allow interstellar travel is entirely conceivable given that we have evidence that intelligent life is possible, interstellar travel is possible and the enormous number of planets and age of the universe make the odds relatively good that there is life on another planet and that it is more technologically advanced than we are.

I think it is more likely that there are aliens than that our planet is the only one to ever evolve intelligent life. It's not like humans are made out of some rare material or that the earth is in some kind of unique circumstance. There are 10s of billions of habitable planets in the galaxy.

On the other hand, there is absolutely no evidence that any kind of supernatural deity has ever existed anywhere.

I don't "believe" in UFOs but I consider them statistically likely enough that they should not be dismissed out of hand. "Belief" in God, on the other hand, is naked self-delusion.

[Kaleva]

124. You are using certain arguements to support another one

The debate here is that "Existence of UFO technology more advanced than human capabilities has been proven
beyond a reasonable doubt".

There's nothing in your post that supports that claim.

An advanced civilization capable of interstellar travel and sending out ark or generation ships traveling at sub-light speeds ought to be able to colonize the entire galaxy in about 2 million years. We have seen no evidence that that has taken place or is taking place.

It's possible that several hundred thousand advanced alien civilizations formed in our galaxy but it's also possible that, given the age of the galaxy, each one of them has gone extinct, as everything in the universe has a finite lifespan, and we humans are the only intelligent beings in the galaxy right now and no others will appear until millions of years after humans have gone extinct.

Furthermore, a Type III alien civilization on the Kardashev scale, the existence of such civilizations is statistically possible, would appear to us as gods. Confirm the existence of such a civilization and you confirm the existence of God.

[meadowlander]

125. I was responding to your claim that belief in UFOs is like belief in a god.

They are qualitatively different. "Belief" in UFOs is extrapolated from observable phenomena. We know that intelligent life exists. We know that interstellar travel is possible. We know that there are a large number of habitable planets, that the circumstances that led to life on earth are not unusual and that the universe is very old. From that, we can posit a supposition that UFOs may exist.

"Belief" in a god is a leap of faith that something that has never been observed to have existed (a supernatural all powerful being) nevertheless does exist. This is then asserted as a fact, even in absence of evidence.

And proof of an advanced alien civilisation would not "confirm the existence of God". That is the worst kind of rhetorical poppycock. "God" actually means a supernatural, omniscient and/or omnipotent being. An advanced alien civilisation would still not be supernatural. You can't just throw the label at anything that seems very powerful or advanced.

[paleotn]

45. Ummm, no.

[USALiberal]

47. People are so clueless and gullible! Ghosts, ESP, Aliens, Etc. Scary. n/t

[Calculating]

56. Ghosts are real though

I've seen one myself.

[Dave Starsky]

77. I believe they are "real" as a psychological phenomenon.

But not as an actual, physical entity.

It's actually been demonstrated that high-amplitude subsonic sound waves can bring about the sensory phenomena--including visual--that we associate with ghosts.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vic_Tandy

[USALiberal]

98. Cool Story Bro! nt

[Dave Starsky]

74. Cell phone cameras in literally EVERY pocket.

Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, instagram... a worldwide distribution network available INSTANTLY.

And yet... nothing. No reliable or consistent accounts or evidence.

As I like to say, there's a reason the show is called Ghost Hunters and not Ghost Finders.

[USALiberal]

97. Great point, fuzzy film from the 70s and now nothing. Amazing! n.t

[SCVDem]

49. Great timing!

The X-Files returns on January 3rd.

I Want To Believe!

[L. Coyote]

50. Or a hoax video.

[RKP5637]

165. The video seemed amateurish to me. n/t

[triron]

54. It would be foolish to think that there are not other civilizations

(probably many) that are far more advanced technologically than ours
and probably some of these are resident to our galactic neighborhood.
The universe is nearly 14 billion years old and our own galaxy is nearly that old. The
sun is less than 5 billion years old. There are stars (eg red dwarf stars) much older than this in our galaxy
which could have habitable planets. To think the human race (on earth) is the epitome of sentient intelligence
is very presumptuous. Why could not they have mastered interstellar travel?

[Skittles]

68. yup

it is extremely depressing to imagine WE are all there is - ridiculous, actually

[Henry Krinkle]

57. Ack, ack... ack, ack ack...

[RKP5637]

80. Yes, the GOP! n/t

[Hassin Bin Sober]

58. Trump is one of them.

He's a Bug in a fat Edgar suit.

[left-of-center2012]

62. "It's a cookbook !"

[workinclasszero]

105. LOL

I was thinking of the same thing!

[roamer65]

63. Lest anyone think aliens showing up to say hello is a good thing...

I will remind them of how that worked out for Native Americans when Europeans did the same around 1492.

[tblue37]

64. Here is a link to the video:

[SidDithers]

66. ...

Sid

[retread]

75. Aliens from the future powered by cold fusion engines?

[Saboburns]

91. I watched that video and all I can say is HOLY SHIT

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That's no alien spacecraft.

Watch it again.

ITS A SHARKNADO!!

Seriously. Watch that video again, it shows a SHARKNADO!!

[L. Coyote]

94. Yeah, who knew PhotoShopping could be that grainy

[L. Coyote]

104. NYT got duped into running free advertising for a grift.

Link to tweet

[matt819]

107. You really have to laugh

There have been scores of UFO and alien movies and TV shows over the past 60 years. Alien hysteria, world cooperation, battle plans, actual battles.

And now, here we have word of a real, though now disbanded, office in the Pentagon reviewing reports of UFOs and its apparent former director absolutely convinced that UFOs are real.

No hysteria. No substantive acknowledgement by any government. You almost have to go searching for articles about this.

Crazy world we live in, hey?

[Bayard]

108. Well, they did bring us

Microwaves and velcro.

[librechik]

109. I wondered what all the self righteous skeptics on DU would say about this (since Occam

is officially on the other side now.)

Hah! Of course they still think it's a hoax! Never mind how impossible it would be to make a hoax like this. Narrow minds can't grasp the whole truth--it's too vast. Open your mind to get it.

Or not. You skeptics are harmless and well meaning. Just let the rest of us have all the fun.
You truly are hilarious to read.

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[tymorial]

128. Not always well meaning.

In general though I agree with you. Sometimes though the smug superiority is tiresome.

[librechik]

146. thank you, ty

I was all ready for the smug battle!

[alarimer]

113. No, it hasn't.

There are no extraterrestrials. ALL of this has a perfectly rational, non-alien explanation. And the government needs to stop wasting money on X-Files bullshit.

[Eliot Rosewater]

114. So this is not a DOD video?

[alarimer]

115. I don't care if it is or not.

It is not a UFO. Full stop. It is something; they may not know what it is, but let me assure you, there is a rational explanation that has nothing whatsoever to do with aliens.

When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.

[XRubicon]

116. It is a UFO according to DOD, it is not proof of aliens visiting earth.

There's a difference, yeah?

[Eliot Rosewater]

117. Undeniable proof? no, of course not. But it is a high speed

vehicle that these trained pilots cant explain.

A bunch of them, actually.

I dont get the need for people to go out of their way to say no such thing exists!

[USALiberal]

120. You realize MANY Military pilots have claimed this shit for decades? YET NO PROOF! nt

[brooklynite]

122. If there was any UFO technology, it goes with out saying that it would be more advanced...

Convince me there is any.

Additional point: isn’t it peculiar that, as photo and video capability has improved, the quality of UFO photos has not?

[vsrazdem]

127. I definitely believe they are out there. In fact, my parents had an experience seeing one.

In 1980 they were at a baseball game with my 5-year-old daughter in a Phoenix stadium. She nudgedher grandmother to ask what is that pointing in the sky. My mom looked up and poked my dad and said what the hell is that. There was a circular shaped object hovering in the sky above the stadium. He just said I don't know and please stop pointing. It was gone in a flash. For the life of her she could not understand why other people were not looking up in the sky. Years later I would occasionally find my PhD engineering educated father watching UFO shows on TV. I know he thought it was real. There have been a few sightings around this area since then.

[gordianot]

156. Seeing something unexplainable does change your perspective.

It made me a lifetime cynic for those who claim they know.

[USALiberal]

157. This is course means nothing. n/t

[RKP5637]

166. Definitely an excellent point on your last sentence!!! n/t

[Binkie The Clown]

130. It MUST be true. I saw it on the Internet.

[lindysalsagal]

148. According to Neil DeGrasse Tyson: "Call me when you have an alien dinner invite."

Tyson explained that by their very nature, unidentified flying objects are, well, unidentified, so a video recently released by the Department of Defense showing a UFO off the coast of San Diego in 2004 doesn't faze him.

"The universe brims with mysteries. Just because you don't know what it is you're looking at doesn't mean it's intelligent aliens visiting from another planet," he said.

"Scientists live in mystery every day of our lives ... People are uncomfortable not knowing, not the scientists. I'm fine. We don't know what it is. Keep checking it out."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/20/us/neil-degrasse-tyson-ufos-new-day-cnntv/index.html

[Me.]

160. Why A Threat?

"Luis Elizondo, who quit as head of the Advanced Threat Identification Programme (AATIP) two months ago, warned nations now “had to be conscious” of the potential threat posed by UFOs."

Maybe they came for a look around, didn't like what they saw and took. If they wanted to harm us they could've done so by now.

[pressbox69]

171. Exactly.

After years of saying whatever UFOs are they are not a threat, all of a sudden they turn on a dime and say they ARE a threat. I smell a rat but it's the same rat I've been smelling since November 2016.