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Eliot Rosewater

(31,131 posts)
1. No patriot will believe the lies about the FBI, Mueller etc.
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 06:52 PM
Dec 2017

So the question is how many patriots do we have and how many party first idiots?

Right now I want to believe we outnumber them, not by much but that we do.

Irish_Dem

(47,537 posts)
2. We already have temporarily lost our democracy. Time will tell if it is permanent.
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 07:01 PM
Dec 2017

It becomes more and more clear that the presidential election was not a
free or fair process.

Glorfindel

(9,739 posts)
3. Actually, we've never had a "democracy"
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 07:08 PM
Dec 2017

"Democratic republic" is about as close as you can get, but "federated democratic republic" is closer. The United States Senate is one of the LEAST democratic institutions on earth. The one-half million people of Wyoming have two senators. So do the 39.5 million people of California. This lack of democracy carries over into the revolting excrescence of the Electoral College giving us presidents like George W. Bush and the current maggot occupying the White House. We can't lose what we never had.

Asked what kind of government the United States would have, Benjamin Franklin replied, "A republic, if you can keep it." I'm fairly certain we'll keep that, but I'd love to see the government become more democratic.

Bleacher Creature

(11,258 posts)
8. It just means I'm old enough to see how things always swing back and forth!
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 07:15 PM
Dec 2017

And weren't you gone for a while? If so, WELCOME BACK!!!

Cha

(297,818 posts)
13. Yeah, me too.. I cannot wait for
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 07:21 PM
Dec 2017

the Pendulum to Swing back the other way!

Mahalo Bleacher Creature

ananda

(28,886 posts)
5. What democracy?
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 07:11 PM
Dec 2017

There hasn't been a free and fair election since Florida 2000..
except when anonymous helped Obama. For some reason,
they didn't help Clinton.

nancy1942

(635 posts)
9. At the rate we're going we will.
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 07:16 PM
Dec 2017

Our own government is actively working against us; sure seems like we're in a perilous place right now.

potone

(1,701 posts)
12. I agree.
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 07:21 PM
Dec 2017

We've never had a real democracy in the sense of equal representation, but now we are in a situation where the majority of the Congress doesn't even represent their constituents. I am more frightened for the future of this country than I have ever been, and remember Richard Nixon.

Fullduplexxx

(7,872 posts)
11. But i heard both par.................... censored...............................................this
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 07:19 PM
Dec 2017

Oh wait.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
14. Will there be fair elections, without Russia putting its thumb on the scale?
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 07:35 PM
Dec 2017

Nobody’s done a damn thing about that very SERIOUS issue.

Will #45 start a war somewhere, and spread fear like a flu virus, to ensure his “administration” remains cemented in place?

At the moment, democracy has failed us. We have one-party rule in all three branches of government. Our long-standing instutions, protocols, and yes, LAWS are being flouted every way, in multiple dimensions. We don’t have a president, we have a right-wing banana-Republic dictator who demands in-front-of-the-camera praise (when he’s not busy praising himself). His party— those Republicans who cursed him during the campaign— now laud him to the skies without shame. They are in the process of pulling a “BENGHAZI!!!” with the Mueller investigation— screaming wall-to-wall lies about it, riling up their base, burning everyone else out from sheer repetition of message.

It’s 2018 or bust — the Senate MUST turn Democratic, and apply the brakes to the right-wing onslaught, or the game is pretty much over.

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