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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsImpeachment isn't enough. We need a CONVICTION.
We have to GOTV next year so we have a Dem majority and impeachment, no....not just impeachment, but PROSECUTION.
Bill Clinton was impeached. That means nothing.
We need Trump REMOVED FROM OFFICE.
I mean it. Because I can't take this anymore.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)If he is removed that leaves Pence in office and leaves the possibility of a totally different ticket on the ballot in 2020 that may not even include Pence.
We stand a better chance of winning in 2020 with Trump on the ticket than with him off.
Impeached, further tarnished and further shown for the garbage he is and still on the GOP ballot in 2020 is our best possible scenario.
elfin
(6,262 posts)However, need to figure out how to relieve him of his ill-gotten gains. The convictions that matter to him are financial. Those could come either by feds or states.
Also, need to go after his best friends, the oligarchs of Russia.
He might just relish a conviction by "loser libs" that he can crow about in other remunerative venues ala books, tv etc., shilling to his crazy believers.
dalton99a
(81,636 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,025 posts)Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)The 2/3rds of the vote to remove a sitting President is not there.
Tobin S.
(10,418 posts)And even as unpopular as the Republicans are getting, we're not going to see that kind of swing in the senate in 2018. Republican senators will not vote for conviction of one of their own, it appears, no matter how treacherous he is.
Vinca
(50,318 posts)I say "whichever" because it might encompass a chunk of the line of succession. Pence isn't seeming too innocent these days.
NotASurfer
(2,156 posts)In which case obstruction applies recursively, and with this bunch there'd be good odds on pretty much every potential replacement thug being implicated
maxsolomon
(33,432 posts)take the congress in November first, or nothing else happens.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)We take both House and Senate back, and have control, no matter who is in office they could be very limited, especially to install more Supreme Court justices, and create phony investigations while covering up their crimes, or obstructing. Its doubtful the KGOP will do either. Especially if many of them are involved with him with collusion, and obstruction.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Congress may have neutered itself long ago, but that doesn't exactly indemnify the First Family.
elias7
(4,029 posts)Seems to me bona fide high crimes and misdemeanors should not result in ambivalence. Unlike Clinton, Nixon would have likely been uniformly convicted. If Trump is responsible for half of the things the twitter team patriot says he is, we will all be universally appalled.
Skittles
(153,214 posts)Pence is also a big fucking asshole who doesn't give one shit about WE THE PEOPLE