For those who believe in evidence-based reality...

[Binkie The Clown]

Stop repeating things that just aren't true like "pit bulls are harmless"

Pit Bulls Maul Woman To Death, Injure Husband In Gruesome Christmas Eve Attack

Two pit bulls reportedly mauled a Kentucky woman to death and injured her husband during a gruesome attack on Christmas Eve.

The dogs—who belonged to the couple’s neighbor—fatally injured 66-year-old Lorraine Saylor with the attack on her neck, face and shoulder, while her husband Johnny sustained injuries to his head, arm, and hand, local news station WYMT reported.

As the attack unfolded on Sunday morning, Johnny’s brother James Saylor, who lives next door, heard barking and quickly threw an object at the dogs to distract them long enough so he could get into the house.

As we ask about gun violence, how often and how frequently does it have to happen before we do something about it?

[Piasladic]

1. Pit Bulls and Evidence-based owners

Pit Bulls and Evidence-based owners are few and far between.

Mostly they are like the faithful. "My doggy never would never do nothing like that..."

[hlthe2b]

2. There is much to learn about this incident but it is a tragedy to this woman's friends & family AND

to the owners of countless numbers of well-trained Rottweillers, Pitbull related BREEDS ( there is no single breed), German Shepherds, Doberman Pinschers and others that CAN be aggressive, but can also be loving trusted pets.

But, we should likewise point out that:
MEN, yes, AMERICAN MEN are more likely to use guns to shoot a family member--most often their spouse or girlfriend-- than in any other country. By your logic, we can conclude ALL MEN ARE DEADLY.

But, no, I don't believe that. Sadly, generalizing has very harmful consequences

[Piasladic]

3. much easier to ban pitbulls than men I guess.

Seriously, I think it's easier to help human males not kill someone than it is a dog.

[hlthe2b]

4. Really? then why do we have so many repeat offenders in jails that outnumber any developed country?

And really, harder to teach a dog not to kill? Have you EVER been around dogs?

Geebus.

[Piasladic]

6. kill people?

Dogs aren't trained to fire weapons. Usually, guys with guns can kill a heck of a lot more than a mouth can. As far as training is concerned, I think a crazy guy with a gun is far more deadly that a dog.

However, you're right, it is more easy to train a dog, but how many dogs have killed people in our wars?

Your point stands, and you are right.

P

[Saboburns]

5. Mothers are to blame.

All criminal behavior can ultimately be traced back to mothers. Yes, moms.

If mothers would not have born these criminal types in the first place the world would be a much better place.

No moms, no criminals.

/Sarcasm/

[Irish_Dem]

7. Americans worship freedom to the point they are in harm's way much of the time.

Guns, pets, unregulated corporations.

[VMA131Marine]

8. Question: how do people with pit bulls get homeowners insurance?

I don't currently have dogs but had huskies at one time and every insurance company I talked to would not have insured me if I had had pit bulls or rottweilers. Are people just lying about the animals they have?

[MineralMan]

9. Those neighbors are going to learn the true liability

of ownership. Sadly, someone has died due to their negligence and other is badly injured. We used to have a pitbull in our neighborhood that often ran loose and sometimes menaced children and pets. I clearly explained the liability risk to its owner, who scoffed at me. His landlord, however, understood the issue when I explained it to him. He evicted the renter, solving the problem by removing that uncontrolled dog from the neighborhood.

My tolerance level for dogs that run loose and are menacing is zero.

[Comatose Sphagetti]

10. I used to milk cows for a living.

We had a separate pen for the breed bull. He was huge. Very docile and laid back animal.
However, I would never get into his pen with him. Why? Because he had the capacity to to kill me in a split second if for some reason he so desired.
Same with Pits. I don't care if they're well trained, docile, friendly, "never hurt a fly", etc., etc., ad infinitum. They have the CAPACITY to seriously injure or kill.
That's why I don't care to be around any large breed.

[hlthe2b]

17. re: "They have the CAPACITY to seriously injure or kill"--so do people...

do you fear all people, especially men?

Big damn difference between a bull and dogs (and I spent much of my early years around both). While one SHOULD be cautious around dogs they do not know, I do agree. Further, I agree that dog owners MUST be held to account to control their pet.


But, unless you are of a mind that one can judge ALL by the one, I don't think we can assume about all dogs or all men, for that matter.

[Comatose Sphagetti]

20. If I'm cautious around dogs I don't know, which is proper and good practice,

Then by exhibiting caution I'm in effect judging them.

My judgment, especially on Pits, is perhaps tempered by stories of people killed/injured by the family Pit. The description of the event usually goes something like - "I don't understand! He was the nicest, most laid-back gentle animal you ever saw!" - until he wasn't.

I contend they have the CAPACITY to kill/injure, no matter how well trained, and I don't care to be around them.

Beyond that, we will have to agree to disagree, my friend.

[hlthe2b]

21. ANY unleashed loose large dog should be looked on similarly with caution.

That is only common sense. Same as one might reach for the pocketed pepper spray or keys if a large hulking human figure comes quickly at you at night.

That is a general sense of self-preservation.

By the way, if you ask veterinarians which dogs they take extra caution with in clinics, you would likely find adult Chow Chows as #1. Unlike the dogs who are fearful and might bite (German Shepherds especially, but Rotties and Dobermans as well) Chows don't tend to give any warning and their lion-like mane makes it hard to catch hold of them to avoid further harm. Despite their cute teddy bear appearance as pups, they aren't so popular any more, which is probably a good thing (but focuses attention on other breeds)

[panader0]

11. Last week a package was delivered here--turns out it was for a neighbor

a couple of miles away. So I decided to drive it over. When I went
through the gate a pit bull came running up and bit me on the leg.
Still hurts.

[hlthe2b]

16. Had it been a chihauhua, the result would also likely have been a bite. They were protecting their

territory, though I ABSOLUTELY do NOT condone dog owners allowing dogs to roam property unattended and unleashed--where they COULD hurt an innocent person walking across or to the door.

My dog won't even bark (Aussie/Border Collie). She would only run up and present belly for a rub, but even that approach would scare some people, not knowing. I understand that and all owners should be cognizant of that.

[hlthe2b]

12. These 16 Dogs Are Heroes. They Are Also Pit Bulls. #1/16 Those they saved are glad they exist

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/29/pit-bulls-heroic-happy-and-good_n_5563496.html

Lefty took a bullet for her owner.

[hlthe2b]

13. These 16 Dogs Are Heroes. They Are Also Pit Bulls. #2/16

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/29/pit-bulls-heroic-happy-and-good_n_5563496.html

Baby rescued a family and its dogs from a house fire.

[hlthe2b]

14. These 16 Dogs Are Heroes. They Are Also Pit Bulls. #3/16

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/29/pit-bulls-heroic-happy-and-good_n_5563496.html


Creature saved an 89-year-old woman with dementia.

[hlthe2b]

15. These 16 Dogs Are Heroes. They Are Also Pit Bulls. #4-16. Those they saved are glad they exist

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/29/pit-bulls-heroic-happy-and-good_n_5563496.html

TaterTot saved a 4-year-old boy from a blood sugar crash.



Jack risked his life for a cat being attacked by coyotes.



Chako saved his owner from an abusive partner.



Mercey protected his owner from a violent home invasion.



Elle is a Hero Dog and helps people overcome their fears.




Major dialed 911 when his owner was having a seizure.



Peaches lifted spirits after the Boston Marathon bombing.


Abby saved a four-year-old girl from a fox attack.



Destiny prevented a 9-year-old boy from getting abducted.


Phoebe rescued a cat sealed in a cardboard box.


Stitch inspired children with birth defects.


Cletus walked in his owner’s place at a college graduation ceremony.

[mitch96]

18. I got curious and searched the internets for most attacks by dog breed

#1???? Labrador retrievers. Pit's are #2 but they do look menacing.. I remember a surgeon telling me this years ago but It did not register... Maybe cause there are more Lab's than Pit's and it's just the statistics..??

https://chicagoinjurycenter.com/common-breeds

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[hlthe2b]

19. It always amazes me how those who would argue AGAINST the attempt by some to widely blame for a

horrific specific incident like 1. a Muslim terrorist bombing, or 2. American white male mass shooting, or 3. the post-partum women who kills her children have such a hard time recognizing that DENOMINATORS DO matter, no matter the horrific nature of the event. That castigating across groups or using the emotional impact of a single horrific event to drive unfocused policy is really NOT logical nor effective That is no less true of dogs and even attempts to ban across breed groups. In the end, there is almost always a human cause or contributing irresponsible action--even in the dog events. If we want to stop any of these events, we have to start with the HUMAN component.