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Awww...Bill Kristol has a sad 😢 (Original Post) SHRED Dec 2017 OP
Poor Poor Bill randr Dec 2017 #1
Good point 👍 SHRED Dec 2017 #2
Unfortunately it's bitten ALL of us in the ass groundloop Dec 2017 #44
While he has said some good shit lately... Wounded Bear Dec 2017 #3
Agreed. Until he's ready to cop to his role in the creation of so many national messes, Volaris Dec 2017 #32
Agree. He wanted to stay relevant, and this is his relevance. Hortensis Dec 2017 #68
But, but................... MyOwnPeace Dec 2017 #4
Until the next catastrophic error in judgement not fooled Dec 2017 #41
And no value... MyOwnPeace Dec 2017 #56
I keep thinking I should open a twitter account. madaboutharry Dec 2017 #5
Oh stop... SHRED Dec 2017 #7
The Cult of Reagan Is Over Leith Dec 2017 #6
Exactly! LisaM Dec 2017 #43
Yep Bush still has the worst president award still because of Iraq and 911 uponit7771 Dec 2017 #8
He's been pretty consistent since 11/8/16. Bleacher Creature Dec 2017 #9
exactly still_one Dec 2017 #14
Yes. It is comforting that prominent conservatives are joining in the fight for national sanity. hedda_foil Dec 2017 #23
. dalton99a Dec 2017 #10
And yet millions of idiots still idolize him....the stupidity of Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #18
They practically made a saint out of a mediocre actor. dchill Dec 2017 #24
And they made taxpayers pay hundreds of millions to carry his carcass around dalton99a Dec 2017 #27
LOL. I like that one. nm Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #57
It's good to see GOPers wising up and speaking out, even if is should have happened long ago. Hoyt Dec 2017 #11
Kristol has been a never-Trumper all along. I'm glad for that whole group of Republicans pnwmom Dec 2017 #53
Bill Kristol was perfectly happy pushing MaryMagdaline Dec 2017 #12
He's the one who brought us Sarah Palin. nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #13
I thought that was Steve Schmidt? SHRED Dec 2017 #15
Krystal was way before Schmidt. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #20
I bet Schmidt still have nightmares about that SummerSnow Dec 2017 #28
I think so, especially given his current rage at Trump. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #29
John McCain bears 100% of the responsibility 11cents Dec 2017 #21
McCain didn't want her. He was holding out for Joementum Lieberman. hedda_foil Dec 2017 #26
BOOM! Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #16
I keep trying to tell people to follow Bill Kristol on twitter. Saboburns Dec 2017 #17
Some never-Trumpers also have some insight into voter apathy re dems, the mistakes we make. nocalflea Dec 2017 #25
Amen. Our Democracy is indeed under attack. Saboburns Dec 2017 #36
Agreed NewJeffCT Dec 2017 #62
Follow that slimy asshole? Give me a break. pangaia Dec 2017 #33
Perhaps you should at least attempt to read his stuff for yourself Saboburns Dec 2017 #37
No need. pangaia Dec 2017 #42
This Slate article came out today. Bill Kristol on Palin, Trump, and today's GOP Saboburns Dec 2017 #50
I think Kristol was spot on with this tweet Hav Dec 2017 #54
I enjoy each of those people, but face it True Blue American Dec 2017 #59
It sure takes Bill a loooong time to work up a tepid sadz. marble falls Dec 2017 #19
It was all supposed to happen without... dchill Dec 2017 #22
Sorry, Bill, J_William_Ryan Dec 2017 #30
YES ! You killed it, Shred!! pangaia Dec 2017 #31
That's why I can't give W a pass when people compare him to T eleny Dec 2017 #34
But..but... workinclasszero Dec 2017 #35
I agree True Blue American Dec 2017 #60
Your monster got out of control. He's loose. rickford66 Dec 2017 #38
Kristol opposed DT throughout the primaries and in the general election and to the present. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #67
He helped lay the groundwork for Trump's opportunity. rickford66 Dec 2017 #70
Bill. mgardener Dec 2017 #39
great reply shred. (and fuck him!) n/t orleans Dec 2017 #40
Arsonists don't get to bitch about the smoke from the fire... czarjak Dec 2017 #45
Perfect SHRED Dec 2017 #47
It happened in the 80s, Bill. Mr.Bill Dec 2017 #46
Perfect reply, SHRED Roland99 Dec 2017 #48
The normalizing of Bill Kristol librechik Dec 2017 #49
Actually, I think the crisis we're in now has the potential to be far worse, pnwmom Dec 2017 #51
Yup. JI7 Dec 2017 #52
How nice for you melman Dec 2017 #65
I didn't say that. But I can see that a sloppy reader might draw that conclusion. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #66
He didn't notice the personality cults around Reagan and 'Lil Dub? Ken Burch Dec 2017 #55
Such a mealy zentrum Dec 2017 #58
Sorry Billy, too late; you're not forgiven. Neither are David Brooks or George Will. NBachers Dec 2017 #61
Bloody Bill pines for the days when he could help raze whole nations.... Orsino Dec 2017 #63
My The PNAC were never really condemned for Iraq. GOP should be memed as their owners. lindysalsagal Dec 2017 #64
Our Democracy is hanging by a thread. If strange bedfellows want to help preserve it... VOX Dec 2017 #69

randr

(12,417 posts)
1. Poor Poor Bill
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 12:03 PM
Dec 2017

His support for banana republics around the world has come back to bite him in the ass

Wounded Bear

(58,755 posts)
3. While he has said some good shit lately...
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 12:08 PM
Dec 2017

His lifetime of supporting that party while it descended into madness kind of works against "liking" him.

Volaris

(10,275 posts)
32. Agreed. Until he's ready to cop to his role in the creation of so many national messes,
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 01:07 PM
Dec 2017

He can take his 'feelings' and fuck right off with them.

MyOwnPeace

(16,946 posts)
4. But, but...................
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 12:09 PM
Dec 2017

Last edited Mon Dec 25, 2017, 01:43 PM - Edit history (1)

he's finished with everything else that he's done wrong up to this point.

He's got a new complaint - somebody's not listening to him!

not fooled

(5,803 posts)
41. Until the next catastrophic error in judgement
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 02:11 PM
Dec 2017

then he gets absolved, i.e. invited back to opine, and the cycle repeats.

These guys never run out of second chances.


Leith

(7,813 posts)
6. The Cult of Reagan Is Over
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 12:12 PM
Dec 2017

and he hasn't got on board yet with this one. Most likely, for the time being it is more profitable to be against chumpy and the gang than with them. He'll change his tune once Koch dollars fly his way.

Bleacher Creature

(11,258 posts)
9. He's been pretty consistent since 11/8/16.
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 12:21 PM
Dec 2017

Last edited Mon Dec 25, 2017, 12:51 PM - Edit history (1)

It doesn't excuse the horrible stuff he's supported over the years, and he's clearly not saying this as a service to the Democrats, but it is comforting to see prominent conservatives joining in the call to bring back some sanity.

hedda_foil

(16,376 posts)
23. Yes. It is comforting that prominent conservatives are joining in the fight for national sanity.
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 12:47 PM
Dec 2017

I disagree with their politics but at least they seem to be part of the same country as we are. If the old fashioned conservatives and even neoconservatives peel away from the trumposhere , perhaps there's a chance of prying the nation and the world from Littlefingers.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
11. It's good to see GOPers wising up and speaking out, even if is should have happened long ago.
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 12:25 PM
Dec 2017

I'm sure Kristol will be back to bashing Democratic ideals soon, but this is good.

pnwmom

(109,020 posts)
53. Kristol has been a never-Trumper all along. I'm glad for that whole group of Republicans
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 04:37 PM
Dec 2017

and I hope they keep speaking out.

MaryMagdaline

(6,858 posts)
12. Bill Kristol was perfectly happy pushing
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 12:27 PM
Dec 2017

Iraq War lies, weapons of mass destruction, yellow cake fraud, swift boat lies undercutting an American hero. (Bet you wore your own bandaids at the 2004 convention).

He's just sorry he's not in control of the lie machine now. Reap. Sow.

Irish_Dem

(47,557 posts)
20. Krystal was way before Schmidt.
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 12:44 PM
Dec 2017

The story as I recall it:

Krystal is a member of a number of conservative think tanks.
He met Palin at a dinner meeting and became enamored of her, and strongly backed
her as a rising GOP star. He succeeded, she became the GOP VP nominee, and that is when she gets dumped in Schmidt's lap for rehab.

Palin could not have risen so fast on her own merits, she had backing in high places.

11cents

(1,777 posts)
21. John McCain bears 100% of the responsibility
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 12:44 PM
Dec 2017

His choice. Kristol was pushing for Palin behind the scenes, and Schmidt failed at vetting.

hedda_foil

(16,376 posts)
26. McCain didn't want her. He was holding out for Joementum Lieberman.
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 12:51 PM
Dec 2017

By the time he agreed to name her, there was no time left for vetting her.

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
17. I keep trying to tell people to follow Bill Kristol on twitter.
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 12:39 PM
Dec 2017

I have followed him for a year and a half, Bill Kristol gets it. Bill Kristol gives scathing commentary to today's GOP. To read the postings of Bill Kristol will shock most Democrats who have loathed him the past 30 years. This particular post of his is not a one-off deal.

I keep trying to spread the word. FOLLOW BILL KRISTOL ON TWITTER! @BillKristol

You will be pleasantly shocked.

Bill Kristol, David Frum, Ana Navarro, Steve Schmidt, and Richard Painter are all Republicans you need to follow on twitter. Their voices are among the most honest, and scathing, regarding not just Donald Trump, but the Republican party that enables and promotes the most Un-American party planks.

Again, follow Bill Kristol.

nocalflea

(1,387 posts)
25. Some never-Trumpers also have some insight into voter apathy re dems, the mistakes we make.
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 12:50 PM
Dec 2017

Also, our democracy is being challenged. Anyone in support of that democracy is on my side.

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
36. Amen. Our Democracy is indeed under attack.
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 01:29 PM
Dec 2017

No outside force or entity could ever challenge our Democracy. The threat, of course, had to come from within. These are the most perilous of times.

Tis why I advocate for these Republican voices who have joined our fight. I'll say it again, these Republicans are not just anti Donald Trump. Their voices join with ours in the fight against the entire GOP tyranny. They are honest and important voices, and in my opinion, are welcome to join with ours.

Not that I condone forgetting their past. I certainly don't.

America is under intense attack like never before. We are fighting a giant, well funded, and organized enemy who have spent 50 years building their infrastructure. Their propaganda is the most intense, well funded, researched and directed, in the history of this planet. Somehow they have gotten their followers to not only consume this propaganda, but to yearn for more. To pass it merrily among themselves, to want to propagandize themselves.

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
62. Agreed
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 10:06 AM
Dec 2017

we need all the help we can get to defeat Trump and Putin. I'm not putting all my eggs in the Mueller basket.

There are a good number of Republican pundits that are strongly anti-Trump - even a small number can make a big difference in the long run.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
33. Follow that slimy asshole? Give me a break.
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 01:12 PM
Dec 2017


The man is a purely opportunistic, evil little shit.



PS
I don't even do the twitterer...

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
37. Perhaps you should at least attempt to read his stuff for yourself
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 01:46 PM
Dec 2017

Before you completely disparage him and dismiss his message. I simply encourage people at least read it for themselves.

As you have not.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
42. No need.
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 02:13 PM
Dec 2017

There are plenty of other people who have been on the right side of history since forever.

He is still a slimy little shit..

That morning joe guy seems to be all the rage now as well.... $$$$$$$$$$$

it is people like those two who helped cause the horror...

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
50. This Slate article came out today. Bill Kristol on Palin, Trump, and today's GOP
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 03:09 PM
Dec 2017

Its very timely regarding this topic and interesting reading.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogation/2017/12/weekly_standard_s_bill_kristol_on_whether_we_could_have_predicted_the_rise.html

Was Palin the Harbinger of Trump?
Bill Kristol on whether we could have predicted the rise of demagoguery back in 2008.

On this week’s episode of my podcast, I Have to Ask, I spoke with Bill Kristol, the editor at large of the Weekly Standard, the magazine he co-founded more than two decades ago. A former aide to Dan Quayle, Kristol has for many years been one of the most visible conservative commentators, famous for his support of the Iraq war and so-called neoconservatism. Kristol has more recently become a loud voice in opposition to Donald Trump, first trying to recruit a challenger and now frequently attacking his assaults on democratic norms and institutions.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
54. I think Kristol was spot on with this tweet
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 04:43 PM
Dec 2017

and he has been with numerous other observations this year as well. The cult of personality regarding Trump by some is indeed worrying. I hate pretty much every political position Kristol has and his known pro-war stance for basically every conflict to a point where he disgusted me, but in his reflections about his own party this year, he hits the bulls eye again and again.
I think Frum has been there since 2008 after Obama's election.

Clearly, everybody has to decide for himself how to process information from the other side. Personally, for me it's harder to understand how Comey is almost treated as a hero here from time to time for his tweets. He may very well be a decent guy but just thinking about the events in 2016 make me too mad to forgive him let alone cheer for him.

True Blue American

(17,995 posts)
59. I enjoy each of those people, but face it
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 06:07 AM
Dec 2017

They all were responsible for the mess Republicans have it this country in. Better late than never I suppose. But at this point in time each one of them share the blame for inflicting Donald Trump and his lackeys on us.

That disgusting display of love last week made me sick to the core. What a bunch of lily liveried old men.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
34. That's why I can't give W a pass when people compare him to T
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 01:12 PM
Dec 2017

I'm glad you gave Kristol that reality slap.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
35. But..but...
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 01:24 PM
Dec 2017

Did he not help and support Dear Leader Bone Spurs for president?

I bet he did so FO Bill, you created the god emperor and your buyer's remorse does not impress me or get you off the hook.

All these damn republicans that complain about Dump need to do the right thing for once in their life and call for his resignation or impeachment.

Anything else is BS, hot air and lies!

mgardener

(1,824 posts)
39. Bill.
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 02:07 PM
Dec 2017

If you were honest with yourself you should have been having those 'feelings' for YEARS now.
"If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention"!

Mr.Bill

(24,344 posts)
46. It happened in the 80s, Bill.
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 02:42 PM
Dec 2017

With your worship (which continues today) of a corporate shill in the White House.

pnwmom

(109,020 posts)
51. Actually, I think the crisis we're in now has the potential to be far worse,
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 04:24 PM
Dec 2017

as bad as that war was.

So I appreciate the voice of every never-Trumper, no matter what their mistakes in the past.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
65. How nice for you
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 03:24 AM
Dec 2017

Everyone gets a clean slate regardless of their past 'mistakes'. That's just lovely.


Personally, I'd say being the architect of the Iraq catastrophe is considerably more than a 'mistake', but Kristol himself doesn't consider it a mistake at all. He defends the invasion as the right thing to do to this day. But hey, at least he's a 'never-Trumper'.

NBachers

(17,155 posts)
61. Sorry Billy, too late; you're not forgiven. Neither are David Brooks or George Will.
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 09:19 AM
Dec 2017

You personally dumped this ocean of shit down on our heads. Time now for you to drown in your own shit, maggot brain

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
63. Bloody Bill pines for the days when he could help raze whole nations....
Tue Dec 26, 2017, 10:37 AM
Dec 2017

...and pretend to be a gentleman. He assisted in lowering the bar so far, though, that his genteel sort of pillage now seems quaint. The barely-simian hordes of corporate conservabots are no longer pretending to need his guidance.

What he longs for is relevance.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
69. Our Democracy is hanging by a thread. If strange bedfellows want to help preserve it...
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 07:09 AM
Dec 2017

Then fine, their help won’t hinder. A fair number of Republicans/conservatives have come out against Trump. Their voices are needed— if individuals from across the political spectrum are calling for Trump’s removal, it serves to makes that viewpoint weightier and less partisan.

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