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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGuess who tweeted "Happy Holidays" in his war on Xmas in 2010. (Hint: it wasn't Obama)
Orange, classless, tacky bigot in 2010 waging war on Christmas:
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Dignified President offering Christmas wishes in 2010 in a thoughtful fashion:
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treestar
(82,383 posts)When it was illegal to say "Merry Christmas!"
Igel
(35,382 posts)Nobody said there's anything wrong with "Happy Holidays." It's been around for a long time, for good reason.
"Inclusivity of others who observe some sort of celebration this time of year" was not mostly the reason. Could be, in places with a large minority population. I didn't live in one, and "happy holidays" was still fairly common.
"Merry Christmas and a happy new year" was a pain to say over and over. "Happy holidays," esp. when Xmas wasn't looming large in a couple of days and after Xmas. "Did you have a happy holidays?" for all its ungrammaticality strikes me as okay, meaning that I heard it a lot when I was a kid. Presumably short for "happy holiday season" or some such linguistic nightmare.
No, what they're getting at was the frowning-upon that openly religious, esp. openly Xian, "Merry Christmas" got. It was oppression to assume that people kept Xmas. It's like the twits who get pissed off when they're told that somebody'll pray for them or wish them a "blessed day", or see somebody wearing a cross. How dare you foist your beliefs on me? (Now, political views that require that you actually do something, that's okay.) For example, one friend was openly mocked more than once on Ash Wednesday because, being a good Catholic, he'd get palm-ashed and wear it until it wore off, and some lapsed Catholics took it as a kind of rebuke that he didn't have the common courtesy to alter his behavior by washing it off in order to suit their sensibilities.
Not only do such get their violins out to wail, they use only strings. (Which, by the way, are cheap all-metal strings.)
The entire Kulturkampf over season's greetings boils down not to what you say because it's what you want to say; instead, it's what you say instead because people don't want you saying certain things, or the reaction to what you say. It's being told that your preferences must yield to those who are more sensitive or more oppressed than you, and that by not following their unilateral edicts you're oppressing them.
I haven't observed Xmas since, oh, 1975--not my adopted religious tradition--so I have no dog in this fight. But if we can't actually be accurate about what the issue is it makes discussing it fairly impossible and anything said as a result will mostly fail the critical-thinking test.
And, oddly, my perceptions--entirely non-scientific here--are that far more people I know this year have wished me "Merry Christmas" than in previous years. It used to be "have a good winter break" or "happy holidays".
Gothmog
(145,746 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)For future reference.
What a hypocrite! Just got in to an argument over this tonight at the Christmas dinner table - right at the very end. Almost made it through the holiday w/out a political argument. Didn't quite make it this year. Oh well, they started it (they had been drinking most of the afternoon and had gone through a number of bottles of wine at dinner, so I knew that there was always a possibility) but at least it was nipped in the bud before it got too ugly.