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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf China is smart, they should offer to host a new UN.
They could move up their international standing and erode ours at the same time.
Motley13
(3,867 posts)Every day the imbecile does something insane
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,552 posts)A major power shift is occurring as we speak.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,552 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,552 posts)Marengo
(3,477 posts)Despise and distrust the Russian state. Xi is an empire builder to be sure and pragmatism may lead to a short-term agreement to act in mutual benefit, but the internal contradictions cannot be resolved without Russia making concessions it simply cannot accept.
Irish_Dem
(47,552 posts)further its goal of becoming a superpower?
What do you think?
Marengo
(3,477 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,552 posts)He wishes to be a world superpower and become more wealthy.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Russia hates US run NATO and its expansion and China wants to push us out of the pacific back to Hawaii.
I think China is succeeding extremely well. Russia moved up its game by the cyber attacks on our election. Sure its a marriage of convenience but orange Nero has made it very convenient.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)Goals in Asia, but China is also well aware that Russia is a declining state and it will only be a matter of time before it turns on Russia to demand a redress of the concessions forced on China by the unequal treaties.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Russia will be on the back burner for China plus Russia has oil on its side.
Irish_Dem
(47,552 posts)Would he get involved, take sides, or stay out of it.
Irish_Dem
(47,552 posts)But you are right, Putin and Russia have some baggage as well as the issues you mention. And then China could move on.
I think they may have some conflict over Africa as well. China is heavily invested there and Russia I think wants in.
Irish_Dem
(47,552 posts)of the Asian power sphere. And doing a good job of that.
And yes Russia wants to be a superpower and push the US down in status.
So yes I think of marriage of convenience.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)The Shanghai Cooperation Organization.
http://eng.sectsco.org/
This is the public face of the Sino-Russian alliance.
Russia, China and India are full members of SCO.
Irish_Dem
(47,552 posts)Beijing even leaves them alone to make deals and money.
So the SCO alliance is about big money?
roamer65
(36,747 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,552 posts)China has made very rapid economic gains internally and seems to be positioning itself quite carefully and deliberately on a regional and international path.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)it totally clueless. Couldn't lead his way out of a paper bag. The US had a good run of it after WWII with no real competition, but has been backsliding for sometime now. And often the US is its own worst enemy with all of the fighting in this country. And, the fact that a damn fool like Trump could ascend to the presidency is very telling. And, we have the GOP that wants to bury most of the country. It's a damn poor recipe for success.
Irish_Dem
(47,552 posts)And we are a violent, racist society, with a lower standard of living than the other industrialized countries. Young people cannot afford an education.
Lack of a secure voting system, gerrymandering and rigged elections (Gore/Bush).
Starting an illegal war, with torture. All makes for a very poor role model.
And yes, Trump is the frosting on the cake of decline.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)and often it was just taking advantage of them. Today, I don't think I would have those opportunities as a youth, and that is very sad. I view the US of today as an example of the worst parts of capitalism, unregulated, and many climbing over each other with greed and one-upmanship. It's just often not a pleasant place.
Irish_Dem
(47,552 posts)We could afford to go to college for example. My daughter is looking at graduate schools now and costs are running about $80K a year. Unreal. School debt will preclude buying a house, car or starting a family for quite some time after graduation.
I think unregulated capitalism has ruined the American dream. We have turned the country over to the 1%.
LonePirate
(13,431 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Leadership.
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Brother Buzz
(36,486 posts)California would totally support the UN
Motley13
(3,867 posts)he is smart and not abrasive, true Asian style. I feel Putin is on his way out, hopefully.
Xi knows exactly how to play the moron as well as Abe does.
The moron is making us the 3rd world country.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,922 posts)Maybe one of those could become the headquarters.
Stinky The Clown
(67,832 posts)Showwahanz . . . . . who remembers guys like Jesse Helms?
dflprincess
(28,088 posts)rickford66
(5,530 posts)UN moves. Trump buys empty building in fire sale. Turns it into another Trump condo.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)then, China comes in and looks like the savior of the UN