This is Rick Warren

[unapatriciated]

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http://laist.com/2008/12/17/obama_team_stirs_prop_8_fea...

Inauguration Team for Obama Stirs Prop 8 Fears After Choosing OC Pastor
A largely known Prop 8 proponent has been selected to do President-Elect Barack Obama's inauguration invocation on January 20. Rick Warren of Lake Forest's Saddleback Church was chosen by the Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies, which is causing the LGBT community to go a little nutsy on the blogosphere.

"As we've pointed out several times before, in 2004 Warren declared that marriage, reproductive choice, and stem cell research were "non-negotiable" issues for Christian voters," wrote a blogger at Right Wing Watch. " has admitted that the main difference between himself and James Dobson is a matter of tone. He criticized Obama's answers at the Faith Forum he hosted before the election and vowed to continue to pressure him to change his views on the issue of reproductive choice."
"How on earth could he select fundie Rick Warren to do the invocation?" questioned Pam Spaulding, who understands the selection of Rev. Dr. Joseph E. Lowery to deliver the benediction at the ceremony. Lowery is a revered veteran of the civil rights movement and was the co-founder, along with Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.

[depakid]

1. As usual, another fundamentalist who doesn't have his facts straight

Even the ones laid out in his own book!

[unapatriciated]

4. They also know very little about the history of marriage

or choose to re-write it.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20050506-00...
1600s-Victorian Era
It's a family affair: Married love gains currency, but for intimacy and passion, people still turn to family, lovers and friends.
1690s U.S.: Virginia wasn't always for lovers—Passionate love between husband and wife is considered unseemly: One Virginia colonist describes a woman he knows as "more fond of her husband perhaps than the politeness of the day allows." Protestant ministers warn spouses against loving each other too much, or using endearing nicknames that will undermine husbandly authority.

this little bit of history doesn't seem to endorse Valentines day.

[AnOhioan]

2. PE Obama needs to remove Warren from the program

His presence at the Inauguration is divisive.

[Taverner]

3. I hope this is a one off

I hope the choosing of Rick Warren as Preachermaster is just to get the Evangies and Fundies focused on compassion

I hope the choosing of Rick Warren as Preachermaster is so we can all get on board to move America forward

I hope this is not the tone of the Obama presidency

If it is not, then hello President Gavin Newsom, President of California

[barbtries]

5. i heard a few seconds

what a dick.

[Bjorn Against]

6. Not only is he a bigot, he is a liar as well.

He claims in that video that every culture and every religion has opposed gay marriage for 5,000 years. This is false. I have personally gone to a place of worship that does allow gay and lesbian couples to marry, their marriages may not be recognized by the state but they are recognized by the religion. Quakers allow for gay marriage, as do some other religions as well. Gay marriage is also legal in Canada, Canadian culture accepts gay marriage and there are many cultures here in the United States that support gay marriage as well. Warren is quite simply a liar if he wants to claim that every single culture supports his definition of marriage, he knows damn well that statement has no basis in fact.

[Deep13]

7. His religious prejudices have NOTHING to do with morality.

Get it through your head fundy idiots--just because your god says do does not make something a moral issue. What I find to be immoral is subverting the Constitution with ecclesiastical mind control techniques. Better hate them queers or your goin' to hell! If you want a country ruled by religion, go to Iran.

[Deep13]

8. This is the kind of slimeball I just want to beat with a hammer until I collapse from fatigue.

Now, I am not actually going to do it, nor do I encourage others to do it. But that is what I subjectively WANT to do.

[ColbertWatcher]

9. Fuck this bastard. I just opened his page on the Truthiness Encyclopedia.

Here is the link: http://www.wikiality.com/Rick_Warren

Give him hell DUers!

Just make sure you create a free account first, so you can hide your IP address.

[cboy4]

10. What a pig

[ljm2002]

11. Marriage == 1 man & 1 woman in *every* religion and society, *ever*???

Sooo, how do the many polygamous societies and religions, both historically and in the present day, fit into that statement? Like, oh say, Saudi Arabia? Or, say, Utah 100 years ago (and in some parts to this day)? The answer, of course, is that they do not.

At the very least, if he were honest, he'd stick to the Christian religion's ideas about marriage. But then he'd have to account for the historical record including his own Bible which clearly has polygamy occurring, and is conspicuously silent on the issue of whether that is a good or a bad thing -- just like with the issue of slavery.

In other words the man is either deeply ignorant or flat out lying -- or both -- when he claims this absolutist bullshit. Once you've figured that out, there is no reason to listen to another word coming out of his mouth.

[Capt. America]

12. "God created marriage"...

I'll show you how easy it is to do away with this douchebag's argument. I don't believe their is a God, so I don't believe he created marriage to be one man and one woman; therefore, as a citizen, I demand a civil marriage ceremony with a consenting, legal adult.

[plcdude]

13. I think the Newsweek article

does a fairly good job of confronting fundamentalist Christians on their viewpoints and interpretations on the whole "marriage" issue. http://www.newsweek.com/id/172653
Another good resource is http://www.religioustolerance.org/mar_bibl.htm

[unapatriciated]

14. that's a great article...

you should post it as an op.